Should men also have the "right to choose"

[JohnOfSheffield]

Democracy ceases to function properly or in a desirable way once your voter pool turns into a bunch of ignorant morons.

For example, if you lived in a town with a total population of 5,000 and 4,500 of those people were clinically certified to be mentally retarded, or for a less extreme example... 4,500 of those people had never attended any sort of school, sneered at the idea of reading the news or learning about science or any sort of intellectual endeavor, and had never read a book in their lives... in fact were illiterate, would you want that town to be a democracy?

Would you want your life to be subject to the whims and emotions of those people, or the reactions within those people that corrupt, greedy politicians were able to evoke?

Obviously a not so benevolent dictator is the anwer, how blind we have been.

Now off to demand abortions for every firstborn girl but we have to make sure it happens outside of the womb, that is the correct way.

You're a retard, your thoughts are stupiid and your expression of them bears the mark of a ignoramus.

But please do go on, in the US that is normal.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Wait... UberNeuman is a woman? I want lesbian sex with her and i want it NOW!

 

[nehalem256]

Yes they should.

Unfortunately out of the two mainstream parties, one doesn't seem to care about men's rights (Republicans) and the other is adamantly opposed to gender equality (Democrats).

You would think that with all the accusations of the Republican's "War on women". They would want to point out the Democrats "war on me". Kinda scary that they don't.

 

[Jhhnn]

There are 7 billion people on this planet, most of them pieces of shit wallowing in ignorance, racism, sexism, violence and poverty.

The more there are, the more they will produce. The more people there are, the worse the standard of living for all people will be.

I am in favor of any and all programs which discourage births, or incentivize population control via abortion, etc.

What this planet needs is about 3 billion educated people with a high standard of living.

Population control is not an issue in the US, and the discussion of such is peripheral to the topic at hand.

Concentration of wealth & income overwhelm such considerations, anyway. That's the driving force behind US poverty.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

This is sometimes referred to as "Choice for Men" or the "Male Abortion". I'm all for it. Women could also put unwanted infants up for adoption.

However, support for this position basically implies that abortion should be legal and that it is a good thing. So, as much as we might support it, from a political standpoint it will never happen in our lifetimes. If 90% of the populace ends up believing that abortion should be 100% legal and that it is often a good thing, only then will this issue become viable.

In the meantime we should campaign for changes to the laws to protect men against Paternity Fraud. Right now it's possible to still be held responsible for a child even if DNA testing proves that you are not the biological father.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Population control is not an issue in the US, and the discussion of such is peripheral to the topic at hand.

We have the world's third largest population and (last I checked) we are on track to have a population of 450 million by 2050. How is it not an issue? It may not be a politically viable issue, but how is it not an issue for thinking people?

There is a connection between population and poverty in that an increased population means that your nation has fewer resources available per capita and that thus the prices for those resources must increase. Have you seen the prices of land, gasoline, and food lately?

 

[nehalem256]

In the meantime we should campaign for changes to the laws to protect men against Paternity Fraud. Right now it's possible to still be held responsible for a child even if DNA testing proves that you are not the biological father.

Why is it not a felony to commit paternity fraud?

Why if a woman has sex with 2 men and then gets pregnant and then picks one is she given a free pass?

 

[Jhhnn]

You would think that with all the accusations of the Republican's "War on women". They would want to point out the Democrats "war on me". Kinda scary that they don't.

Your chances of getting laid are basically zero, so you have nothing to worry about.

 

[cybrsage]

Are you retarded, abortion refers to termination of a pregnancy but IF the pregnancy is NOT terminated then a child is the result and that is the responsibility of both parents.

Am i repeating myself, yes i am

Are you stupid and cannot read, yes you are.

You claim the man get the responsibility but none of the authority. You claim to have been in the military, you should understand this is a failed doctrine.

 

[cybrsage]

"a man should be able to decide that he shall have no part in what he helped concieve" is your argument and it's so fucking retarded that your parents must have been subjected to higher level of radiations to have a child as fucking retarded as yourself.

Do you also apply this view to women? Do you also believe a woman should not be able to decide that she shall have no part in what she helped concieve and therefor be allowed to abort it?

 

[cybrsage]

Repost so that Uber cannot weasel out of actually answering it. He lies when he say he has answered the question.

Dear, I already have.... that is if you don't consider child rearing not only a responsibility and duty that women tend to take on in these matters...

Bring up baby isn't easy, isn't cheap - it's time and labor consuming....

Try again, and actually answer the question asked of you instead of simply pretending you did.

you wanna "opt" out of supporting your new found bundle of joy - here it is....

don't have sex.....

no sex. no child.

Do you apply this view to women as well?

 

[cybrsage]

Reposted for Jhhnn to answer.

Men already made their choice when they decided to have sex with a woman. No form of contraception is perfect, and we all know that. We also understand that once impregnated, women have sole discretion wrt bringing the fetus to term.

You're suggesting that men get a do-over if anything goes against them, facilitated by limiting women's choices.

Don't want children? Then don't engage in the kind of sex that creates them, have a vasectomy, or embrace celibacy.

Do you apply this view to women as well?

 

[nehalem256]

Your chances of getting laid are basically zero, so you have nothing to worry about.

No matter what they would still be higher than yours since I still have my balls

When were you cut?

 

[dmcowen674]

Should men also have the "right to choose"

If you are a man and you might pop out a baby in nine months then you can choose.

There are some born with both kids of plumbing too so if you are in that category this also applies.

If you only have a dick, No, you don't get to choose.

 

[her209]

How would you determine who is the father? Forced paternity testing by subjecting the mother to testing?

Anyhow, if:

mother wants to keep, father wants to keep, then no abortion is needed
mother wants to abort, father wants to keep, then tie breaker goes to the host
mother wants to keep, father wants to abort, then tie breaker goes to the host
mother wants to abort, father wants to abort, then abortion is performed

 

[nehalem256]

If you are a man and you might pop out a baby in nine months then you can choose.

There are some born with both kids of plumbing too so if you are in that category this also applies.

If you only have a dick, No, you don't get to choose.

So you are a sexist who is opposed to equality. Thank you for your honesty.

 

[cybrsage]

How would you determine who is the father? Forced paternity testing by subjecting the mother to testing?

Anyhow, if:

mother wants to keep, father wants to keep, then no abortion is needed
mother wants to abort, father wants to keep, then tie breaker goes to the host
mother wants to keep, father wants to abort, then tie breaker goes to the host
mother wants to abort, father wants to abort, then abortion is performed

Why should the mother get two votes?

 

[nehalem256]

How would you determine who is the father? Forced paternity testing by subjecting the mother to testing?

Anyhow, if:

mother wants to keep, father wants to keep, then no abortion is needed
mother wants to abort, father wants to keep, then tie breaker goes to the host
mother wants to keep, father wants to abort, then tie breaker goes to the host
mother wants to abort, father wants to abort, then abortion is performed

Stop using "host" as a euphemism to cover up your sexism. And you can reduce your anyhow to

mother wants to keep. No abortion is needed
Mother wants to abort. Abortion is performed.

since that is all that really matters anyway.

And its irrelevant. No one is proposing telling a woman what to do with their body/life. We are simply not allowing women to dictate to men how they live their life.

In fact since men would get a similar choice a woman's right to choose would actually be MORE protected.

 

[dmcowen674]

So you are a sexist who is opposed to equality. Thank you for your honesty.

You have a dick and can have a baby?

Pics or shens

 

[her209]

Why should the mother get two votes?

Re-read the post to figure out why.

 

[nehalem256]

You have a dick and can have a baby?

Pics or shens

What does that have to with anything. I am not proposing forcing a woman to carry a child.

You are the one who is in favor of forcing a man to be responsible for a woman's choice.

 

[nehalem256]

Why should the mother get two votes?

She doesnt. They are just trying to pretend that a man gets a vote.

 

[her209]

Stop using "host" as a euphemism to cover up your sexism. And you can reduce your anyhow to

mother wants to keep. No abortion is needed
Mother wants to abort. Abortion is performed.

since that is all that really matters anyway.

And its irrelevant. No one is proposing telling a woman what to do with their body/life. We are simply not allowing women to dictate to men how they live their life.

In fact since men would get a similar choice a woman's right to choose would actually be MORE protected.

Awww someone's butthurt. Please learn what the definition of sexism is before using it next time.

 

[dmcowen674]

You are the one who is in favor of forcing a man to be responsible for a woman's choice.

Are you 10 or something?

Reading comprehension fail.

I said just the opposite.

Men should have nothing to do with the woman's choice.

 

[Jhhnn]

Reposted for Jhhnn to answer.




Do you apply this view to women as well?

Need you engage in such endless duh-version?

Asked and answered repeatedly- yes.

So what?