Should men also have the "right to choose"

[nehalem256]

Not at all. She takes on the moral & emotional responsibility of abortion in choosing it, in ways that men can't even understand.

But its just a ball of cells. How is there any moral or emotional responsibility in riding yourself of a clump of cells?

An abortion is no different than removing a rotten tooth. Or trimming your nails.

 

[Lithium381]

Not at all. She takes on the moral & emotional responsibility of abortion in choosing it, in ways that men can't even understand.

Maybe in a way a man couldn't understand, but men would be faced with a similar moral and emotional conundrum that a woman couldn't even understand.

Jhhnn you've said the same thing many times now but you haven't spelled out WHY you hold this position or even try to justify it with logic.

 

[Lithium381]

People of both sexes should use discretion in their choice of sex partners. An officially sanctioned mechanism for dodging responsibility for your choices is not a good idea.

You mean like abortion?

 

[nehalem256]

So the secondary question still stands:

How does giving a man the right to significantly alter his own future take ANYTHING away from the womans right to choose for herself?

In the same way freeing african american slaves after the civil war affected the choices of white slave owners.

 

[cybrsage]

Do most of these women end up raising the child?

You answer my question, then I will answer yours. Dodging my question is not an option.

 

[UberNeuman]

You answer my question, then I will answer yours. Dodging my question is not an option.

Dear, I already have.... that is if you don't consider child rearing not only a responsibility and duty that women tend to take on in these matters...

Bring up baby isn't easy, isn't cheap - it's time and labor consuming....

 

[cybrsage]

Dear, I already have.... that is if you don't consider child rearing not only a responsibility and duty that women tend to take on in these matters...

Bring up baby isn't easy, isn't cheap - it's time and labor consuming....

Try again, and actually answer the question asked of you instead of simply pretending you did.

you wanna "opt" out of supporting your new found bundle of joy - here it is....

don't have sex.....

no sex. no child.

Do you apply this view to women as well?

 

[UberNeuman]

Try again, and actually answer the question asked of you instead of simply pretending you did.


Do you apply this view to women as well?

Again, I have answered your question..... so ask again.....

 

[Lithium381]

Dear, I already have.... that is if you don't consider child rearing not only a responsibility and duty that women tend to take on in these matters...

Bring up baby isn't easy, isn't cheap - it's time and labor consuming....

Right, and in this case the woman STILL has the right to chose to continue with the pregnancy or abort. If she didn't want to find herself in that situation she shouldn't have, as Jhhnn eloquently put it, "rolled the dice and had sex"

 

[Smoblikat]

you wanna "opt" out of supporting your new found bundle of joy - here it is....

don't have sex.....

no sex. no child.

Unless she is raped the women consents to sex just as much as the man does, so why should he have to pay?

 

[cybrsage]

Again, I have answered your question..... so ask again.....

Quote your answer, if you say you posted it. The answer has to actually apply to the question asked. Saying "$1.42 a cup" might be the price of tea in China, but it does not answer the question.

 

[nehalem256]

Right, and in this case the woman STILL has the right to chose to continue with the pregnancy or abort. If she didn't want to find herself in that situation she shouldn't have, as Jhhnn eloquently put it, "rolled the dice and had sex"

Women get re-rolls apparently.

Unless she is raped the women consents to sex just as much as the man does, so why should he have to pay?

Because men aren't people to liberals.

 

[Retro Rob]

you wanna "opt" out of supporting your new found bundle of joy - here it is....

don't have sex.....

no sex. no child.

It's really stupid that people have unprotected sex or have an unplanned child, and then inhumanely abort is like its the child's fault.

What are we? Animals?

Forget all the "lump of cells" garbage, only animals kill their young.

"it's my body"?

Well, if it's your body, protect it from unwanted things. Woman up... grow up. Sexual intercourse ain't all about "feeling good"..

 

[Jhhnn]

But its just a ball of cells. How is there any moral or emotional responsibility in riding yourself of a clump of cells?

An abortion is no different than removing a rotten tooth. Or trimming your nails.

That's obviously not how some women view the subject, and they're entitled to view it as they see fit.

 

[cybrsage]

That's obviously not how some women view the subject, and they're entitled to view it as they see fit.

So a woman has the power to decide the species of her unborn ofspring?

 

[Jhhnn]

Unless she is raped the women consents to sex just as much as the man does, so why should he have to pay?

Because she pays, too.

 

[Lithium381]

And actually with Obama mandating contraceptives be available for women there is no excuse for her to get pregnant, ergo abortion should be against the law.. . . .if i'm following with same line of thought that i have seen displayed here.

 

[Lithium381]

Because she pays, too.

but she has the option not to . . . . that's the whole point

 

[nehalem256]

That's obviously not how some women view the subject, and they're entitled to view it as they see fit.

You mean they are entitled to force their view on others.

 

[UberNeuman]

It's really stupid that people have unprotected sex or have an unplanned child, and then inhumanely abort is like its the child's fault.

What are we? Animals?

Forget all the "lump of cells" garbage, only animals kill their young.

"it's my body"?

Well, if it's your body, protect it from unwanted things. Woman up... grow up. Sexual intercourse ain't all about "feeling good"..

Would you agree that Scott Peterson exercised the right to choose?

 

[Abraxas]

I support men having equal say as women in pregnancy. The host casts the tie breaking vote though.

 

[cybrsage]

I support men having equal say as women in pregnancy. The host casts the tie breaking vote though.

Two votes for one person? You are a democrat, right?

I say we give the third vote to the unborn child - do you think the child would chose to be killed or not killed?

 

[Lithium381]

I support men having equal say as women in pregnancy. The host casts the tie breaking vote though.

that's fine because the mother would still retain her right to choose pregnancy or to abort, but she must also consider possibly bringing up the child on her own or maybe with her partner.

 

[Jhhnn]

Women get re-rolls apparently.



Because men aren't people to liberals.

Rational people recognize all the possibilities going in, so women don't get re-rolls, at all. They knew they could abort if they so chose, if pregnancy did occur, no matter how unlikely. Both knew that was her choice, and her choice alone.

The rest is just wah-wah over waning male dominance in our society, over our loss of ability to tell women what to do. Three generations ago, societal pressure pretty much required guys who knocked up their partners to man-up & marry, support their own children, and it demanded that women accept those men, at least temporarily. Meanwhile, things have changed, and not in ways that support male dominance, at all. While the law & technology have broadened a woman's choices, men's choices remain unchanged or have been narrowed, and some resent that. You still have to support your own children, even if a woman's choice absolves some of that and not others.

You guys fail at logic trees, btw.

 

[Jhhnn]

You mean they are entitled to force their view on others.

As if you're not trying to force your views on them.