Should illegals get aid after torando?

[Zorkorist]

I was watching a show about methamphetamine last night. They showed a guy that was burned badly in a meth lab explosion. The doctor on the interview said the cost for his medical treatment was probably going to be $1 million + and that the hospital sees about $300 million each year in people like that. The guy will never work again and will be on disability so add that cost in as well, for someone that never contributed anything but harmed others. It really makes you think about where to draw the line. Where does aid stop and self responsibility begin ?

Where do reasonable costs for health-care begin?!

There is no excuse for a persons health-care bill to be millions.

The man is simply sitting in a bed (after the critical shit is done) and being monitored, given therapy, etc.

It's not rocket science; it's delivering health care.

The answer of course, for my anger, is in a system, a Government that mandates minimum wages, mandates insurance, and allows lawyers.

Health-care costs are out of control, because of minimum wages, insurance companies, and lawyers.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Sounds like my brother. I think he's 34 and never had a w2 wage job and is on disability for some mental problem scitzo/bipolar. When he's not impregnating welfare moms (9 to date) and living in section 8 he's in prison sucking resources there. Used to be you'd just kill them to save family from shame but we can no longer do that so you must pay.

It's called debtor prison, and yes we should still have them, and yes, he should be living there.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Hi everyone, I am the new "kid" on the block...the mistake that the US made was to allowed them to stay in this country......but.......once it happens it is then the responsibilitie of the US to help them out.

Hi Ponce... welcome to the forum!

-John

 

[Cogman]

Of course not. It's a crime punishable by deportation after a possible stay in jail.

Looking at your above post, I think we pretty much agree on what should be done (the basics, food, water, shelter, first aid). I'm not a fan of immediate deportation as after a tornado goes through your home it can be pretty difficult to prove that you are who you say you are.

But giving NO aid is unacceptable. We can spare the money it takes to keep a couple hundred people alive for a couple of days.

 

[Abwx]

Get the fuck out of here troll. Can he please be banned?

It s you that is trolling simple mind...
A safe mind can only see evidence in these photos that
the damages are primarly due to poor construction techniques....

In fact, the builders of these wood boxes should be
put to trial...

 

[Gintaras]

In fact, the builders of these wood boxes should be
put to trial...

It could be pretty good, if wood was used to build those so-called houses...
Unfortunately, plywood is used...and most of "builders" are :

Get the fuck out of here troll. Can he please be banned?

 

[Abwx]

It could be pretty good, if wood was used to build those so-called houses...
Unfortunately, plywood is used... :

Well, i thought that houses in tornado s usual zones
would be made of concrete for the structure and bricks
for the walls....

I would surely make a very bad entrepreneur, profit wise...

 

[Zorkorist]

Abwx has a good point.

Shall we pay laborers to build a good house? Or pay insurance companies so we can collect from them when our cheap house is destroyed?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

The Government, with minimum wages, has pretty much priced out paying laborers to build good houses, so what we are left with is paying insurance on crappy houses.

-John

 

[Abwx]

The Government, with minimum wages, has pretty much priced out paying laborers to build good houses, so what we are left with is paying insurance on crappy houses.

-John

Anyway, i was surprised by the cheap prices of US homes
compared to Europe, but now, i just understand why...

Such houses would be illegal in most countries
considering that they are in a risk zone, and as
such, drastics norms are generally enforced...

Indeed, no insurance would cover US like poor
construction, that are the real estate equivalent
of junk bonds...

Here, a 200m2 house weighs about 300 metric tons,
half of wich is reinforced concrete and the remaining
is hollow bricks and thin concrete as a protection
for external walls..

Cost of construction is about 2000$/m2...
Sure that it s pricey, but homes last well more
than 100 years..

 

[Zorkorist]

You must live in a country where laborers are king, because I have never heard of $2,000/sq/m

-John

 

[Abwx]

You must live in a country where laborers are king, because I have never heard of $2,000/sq/m

-John

That s in France, and in all advanced european country as well..
Building using heavy materials is not as easier as the pastings
i saw in ravaged (sweet home?) Alabama...

Also, it s for a finished house , with paint, tile, windows,
well , all the finition done, including heating circuits using water
that run under the tiles as is done currently..
Just open the door and start putting your furniture..

btw, what are the mean prices in a valuable part
of the US ?..Let s say California.??..

 

[Kadarin]

Looking at your above post, I think we pretty much agree on what should be done (the basics, food, water, shelter, first aid). I'm not a fan of immediate deportation as after a tornado goes through your home it can be pretty difficult to prove that you are who you say you are.

But giving NO aid is unacceptable. We can spare the money it takes to keep a couple hundred people alive for a couple of days.

Yes, we're in agreement. They're illegal aliens, but are still human beings who deserve a certain level of compassion (as opposed to, say, Bin Laden, who fully deserved a shot to the head).

 

[Zorkorist]

My home is approximately $300/sq/m and it as lasted me 30 years so far.

-John

 

[umbrella39]

Not only no, but fuck no! Maybe it will give them incentive to go home where they belong.

Come on now. At least give them a ride to drop them off on their side of the border... they roll the dice when they come over illegally. This is the shit side of that crap shoot.

 

[nobodyknows]

Food, shelter, and first aid. Heck, everything we provide to any other nation due to a natural disaster we should provide to everyone, regardless of their legal status in whatever country.

Being an illegal immigrant isn't a crime that is punishable by death.

True, but when caught they should be deported ASAP.

 

[Jaskalas]

I find it fascinating that illegals are simply not dealt with.

I offer you a choice. Deport the f' out of them, ALL, or if you insist on them staying here you damn well better treat them nice like anyone else. So either you get rid of them, or the answer to their aid is yes.

Should illegals get aid after torando?

Yes.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

They should definitely get humanitarian aid. I think there should be some way for them to legitimately work here and crackdowns on them circumventing employment laws, but as they currently stand giving them money to rebuild their houses and whatnot is off.

 

[Throckmorton]

Edit: Oh wait I forgot this was the illegal thread

 

[nonlnear]

Torando?

The OP seems to have a problem with Mexicans in Toronto.

 

[SparkyJJO]

If an illegal is injured from the tornado, I would help him with the injury, then ship his butt outta here.

 

[Zorkorist]

What if he was your neighbor, for the past forty years, and earlier in the day he had pulled your daughter from a tree?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Would he be a bit more than an "illegal" then?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

But then it won't matter, because by saving your daughter he has caught the attention of the police, which then by law have to "ship his butt out of here."

Hoorah for you!

-John

 

[pcgeek11]

Food, shelter, and first aid. Heck, everything we provide to any other nation due to a natural disaster we should provide to everyone, regardless of their legal status in whatever country.

Being an illegal immigrant isn't a crime that is punishable by death.

No one suggested that it was or should be either. Only that you shouldn't enter a country illegally and then mooch off the people of that country.