Should illegals get aid after torando?

[JTsyo]

Article

:hmm:

On one hand, they are poeple who have been hit with a natural disaster and lost their homes. It's traumatizing experience. On the other they are consuming relief aid that would be used to help legal residents.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Ehh,

If the person has homeowners insurance or renters insurance, then they should get whatever is covered.

The government should probably not be involved, unless it's some sort of government run insurance program....

 

[pcgeek11]

Not only no, but fuck no! Maybe it will give them incentive to go home where they belong.

 

[werepossum]

Community aid, first aid, food and emergency shelter, certainly. Federal assistance (i.e. grants and no/low interest loans), no.

The article mentions Mexican consular officials arriving to offer help. Who wants to bet that help is exclusively help in getting bennies from Uncle Sam?

 

[Abwx]

Article

:hmm:

On one hand, they are poeple who have been hit with a natural disaster and lost their homes. .

You call this a home ???.....
Quality of construction is awfull in the US...

As an insurer, i would refuse to cover such rubbish..

These years, i had to build one, and as much as
150 metric tons of concrete were necessary for
a house ground area of no more than 156m2....

 

[PokerGuy]

Humanitarian aid (as in, immediate medical needs, shelter, food etc), yes.

Aid to rebuild and re-establish? Heck no, they should not be there to begin with, this is a good chance to give them a one way ticket outta here. Federal or state benefits, absolutely not, those are meant for legal residents who need assistance.

 

[IGBT]

patch em up and bus em back to country of origin.

 

[Infohawk]

There was a time when immigrants scraped by in this country with no assistance from the people they were joining. The system worked because the immigrants paid their own way.

At some point after WW2 we changed the model. Now you can be a migrant farm worker with six children (and yes there are really farm families this big) and have first world education, health care, and food aid for all six of them even though your measly wages will never generate enough tax revenues to pay for them.

 

[Modelworks]

I was watching a show about methamphetamine last night. They showed a guy that was burned badly in a meth lab explosion. The doctor on the interview said the cost for his medical treatment was probably going to be $1 million + and that the hospital sees about $300 million each year in people like that. The guy will never work again and will be on disability so add that cost in as well, for someone that never contributed anything but harmed others. It really makes you think about where to draw the line. Where does aid stop and self responsibility begin ?

 

[IGBT]

I was watching a show about methamphetamine last night. They showed a guy that was burned badly in a meth lab explosion. The doctor on the interview said the cost for his medical treatment was probably going to be $1 million + and that the hospital sees about $300 million each year in people like that. The guy will never work again and will be on disability so add that cost in as well, for someone that never contributed anything but harmed others. It really makes you think about where to draw the line. Where does aid stop and self responsibility begin ?

the concept of self responsibility doesn't exist among liberals. It's always somebody else fault or lack of a parasitic gov.program that's to blame or some long forgotten historical societal wrong is to blame. They are rotten to the core with blame game excuses used to negate "personal responsibility".

 

[Kadarin]

patch em up and bus em back to country of origin.

Absolutely this, tbfh. They do not deserve government assistance for anything other than basic humanitarian (food, water, etc.)

 

[NoStateofMind]

Torando?

 

[JSt0rm]

the concept of self responsibility doesn't exist among liberals. It's always somebody else fault or lack of a parasitic gov.program that's to blame or some long forgotten historical societal wrong is to blame. They are rotten to the core with blame game excuses used to negate "personal responsibility".

I love how you guys just make up these platitudes about how we think.

 

[Gintaras]

We all are human species separated by the borders that politicians setup...or so called religious "leaders".
Problem is, that some people get brainwashed and start to believe that they're different than others...

Who's more legal? Birth date, location of birth? etc...?

What about human moral sides? not just so-called "legal" ones?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

We all are human species separated by the borders that politicians setup...or so called religious "leaders".
Problem is, that some people get brainwashed and start to believe that they're different than others...

Who's more legal? Birth date, location of birth? etc...?

What about human moral sides? not just so-called "legal" ones?

Where's the morality in breaking the laws of another nation by entering illegally or over staying a visit and then demanding finite government services be provide by the tax paying citizens of that nation?

 

[nick1985]

no

 

[Cogman]

Food, shelter, and first aid. Heck, everything we provide to any other nation due to a natural disaster we should provide to everyone, regardless of their legal status in whatever country.

Being an illegal immigrant isn't a crime that is punishable by death.

 

[Gintaras]

Where's the morality in breaking the laws of another nation by entering illegally or over staying a visit and then demanding finite government services be provide by the tax paying citizens of that nation?

I think the same about people who entered America, native indian America...take their resources - gold, etc...and call those other "bandits", who came after you, illegals?

 

[Schadenfroh]

We already help them at emergency rooms, what is some bottled water / first aid / a few days worth of MREs going to do? Hard to tell who is illegal and legal in a disaster zone, help them if they are hurt, deport them once you confirm they are illegal.

 

[Ponce]

Hi everyone, I am the new "kid" on the block...the mistake that the US made was to allowed them to stay in this country......but.......once it happens it is then the responsibilitie of the US to help them out.

 

[DrPizza]

I've got a better idea. Why don't we give aid to the illegal immigrants who came to this country and worked hard for low wages, busted their ass day after day, and still managed to save enough to purchase a home. And, take the able-bodied people who have been milking the system and send THEM to Mexico.

About 20 immigrants from Mexico and Guatemala whose homes...

It doesn't say "whose government provided public housing." People keep bitching about illegal immigrants taking jobs - and we have so many people who are unwilling to take those jobs and would rather be on the public dole.

 

[Zebo]

What's the big deal? We gin up a few trillion a year and a measly few million spread around over hundreds of thousands is small potatoes. I'd much rather they get it than billionaire govt contractors who got their money via no bid/ revolving door juice/ payloa and other shenanigans.

 

[Zebo]

I was watching a show about methamphetamine last night. They showed a guy that was burned badly in a meth lab explosion. The doctor on the interview said the cost for his medical treatment was probably going to be $1 million + and that the hospital sees about $300 million each year in people like that. The guy will never work again and will be on disability so add that cost in as well, for someone that never contributed anything but harmed others. It really makes you think about where to draw the line. Where does aid stop and self responsibility begin ?

Sounds like my brother. I think he's 34 and never had a w2 wage job and is on disability for some mental problem scitzo/bipolar. When he's not impregnating welfare moms (9 to date) and living in section 8 he's in prison sucking resources there. Used to be you'd just kill them to save family from shame but we can no longer do that so you must pay.

 

[Matt1970]

You call this a home ???.....
Quality of construction is awfull in the US...

As an insurer, i would refuse to cover such rubbish..

These years, i had to build one, and as much as
150 metric tons of concrete were necessary for
a house ground area of no more than 156m2....

Get the fuck out of here troll. Can he please be banned?

 

[Kadarin]

Being an illegal immigrant isn't a crime that is punishable by death.

Of course not. It's a crime punishable by deportation after a possible stay in jail.