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Should illegal immigrants get tax stimulus check?

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: maddogchen
i've never thought of that...do illegal immigrants file taxes??

nope. any taxes they do pay are insignificant compared to the cost of the services they use, never mind the cost to society of cheap labor.

Actually, millions file and pay taxes every year. Look it up, it isn't hard.

He's spouting bullshit like it's the fucking gospel. Do you think he'll actually take the time to read something that would prove him wrong? I don't, but I hope he proves me wrong!

they pay some taxes. they don't pay all their taxes if they are illegals, thats a given. the cost of services they and their children use far outstrip all the taxes they pay. just in california they pay almost 2 billion sure, but they cost more than 10 billion. on the federal level their costs outstrip payments by another 10 billion.

you don't get high taxes from low wages. thats a given. never mind a large chunk of it gets sent back over the border and isn't spent here either.

You can say the same thing about all poor people who pay less in taxes than they receive in aid from taxes. We should kick them out of the country too.

those are OUR poor people, and we should take care of them. being kind to illegals is exactly the opposite of compassion for the poor. you import unfair competition for the jobs that the poor would do and distort the labor markets to drive down price of labor and destroy bargaining power.

Then write your senator and stop crying here.

In the meantime, any individual (illegal or not) paying taxes is welcome to a stimulus check.

I'll accept an illegal that's contributing to society, paying their taxes, etc than a legal citizen taking advantage of the system and my taxes.

I think we should legalize non-citizens paying their taxes and kick the leeches out(legal or non).
 
I'll state this and I know it's still going on everywhere!!!!!!


I worked at a place in FL that hired many mexicans. I was one of a maximum of 10 gringos in the field (labor shit 9 years ago). The office was run by mostly white.
Many of the Mexican workers told me that they were illegal and not to say anything. I thought nothing of it at the time, as all I wanted was my paycheck.

I remember meetings at the end of a workday, the bosses would get the 100+ of us workers together in a big room and tell us if anyone told authorities, they would never be hired again! Nor would their families!

If I could get a tax break from the government, I'd squeal on that company right now!

Call me an ass, but I left that company while on my vacation :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
At that time, the illegal alien population was estimated to be about five million persons. The estimated fiscal cost of those illegal aliens to the federal, state and local governments was about $33 billion. This impact was partially offset by an estimated $12.6 billion in taxes paid to the federal, state and local governments, resulting in a net cost to the American taxpayer of about $20 billion every year. This estimate did not include indirect costs that result from unemployment payments to Americans who lost their jobs to illegal aliens willing to work for lower wages. Nor did it include lost tax collections from those American workers who became unemployed. The study estimated those indirect costs from illegal immigration at an additional $4.3 billion annually.

During the years since that estimate, the illegal alien population is estimated to have roughly doubled, so the estimated fiscal costs also will have at least doubled. Furthermore, the passage of time is accompanied by inflation in the costs of services, e.g., school budgets continue to climb. Therefore, what was estimated to be a cost to the American taxpayer of $33 billion in 1996 today would be at least $70 billion. Similarly, tax collections would have increased ? sales taxes at least ? so that the net expense to the taxpayer from illegal immigration would currently be at least $45 billion. The indirect fiscal costs would have also increased, especially during a period of already high unemployment, to perhaps and additional $10 billion annually.

1996 Costs Table from the Huddle Study 1

Programs


(billions)
Public Education K-12

$5.85
Public Higher Education

$0.71
ESL and Bilingual Education

$1.22
Food Stamps

$0.85
AFDC

$0.50
Housing

$0.61
Social Security

$3.61
Earned Income Tax Credit

$0.68
Medicaid

$3.12
Medicare A and B

$0.58
Criminal Justice and Corrections

$0.76
Local Government

$5.00
Other Programs

$9.25

Total Costs


$32.74

Less Taxes Paid


$12.59

Net Costs of Direct Services


$20.16

Displacement Costs


$4.28

All Net Costs


$24.44

Other More Recent Estimates

Other estimates have been done on components of the cost of illegal immigration. For example, FAIR estimated in 2003 that the cost of K-12 education for illegal alien children was at least $7.4 billion annually (see Breaking the Piggybank). This would be less than double the about $5.9 billion estimate above, but would be of the same order of magnitude. FAIR?s 2004 report on the medical expenses incurred because of illegal immigration (see The Sinking Lifeboat) shows uncompensated costs in excess of one billion dollars.

The cost of incarceration of illegal aliens in state prisons has also risen rapidly. In fiscal year ?02, the Department of Justice?s State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) distributed $550 million to the states to help defray their expenses, but this was estimated to cover only about one fifth of their outlays. Between FY'99 and FY'02, alien detention increased by 45 percent (from about 69,300 inmate years to over 100,300 inmate years), and that trend is continuing. These expenses do not include the costs of illegal aliens incarcerated in federal prisons, public safety expenditures, detention pending trial, expenses of trial proceedings, interpretation, public defenders, or the incarceration expenses of immigrants for minor offenses that do not meet the standards of the SCAPP reimbursement program. Therefore, it is clear that outlays for Criminal Justice and Corrections costs is today much greater than double the 1996 estimate.

While the cost of outlays for illegal aliens may be shifted by legislation among the levels of government and the private sector, the fact remains that illegal immigration creates an enormous fiscal burden on America and its citizens ? a burden that Congress has levied upon us through short-sighted and haphazard immigration policy and succeeding administrations have aggravated by spotty enforcement of the law. http://www.fairus.org/site/Pag...rationissuecentersf134

So the only benefit to our society is the estimated 12.6 billion in taxes they pay? Everything else is a cost or burden to our society?

None of us benefits from lower priced products or services?

No illegal immigrant has ever made any contribution to our society? Served in our armed forces? Perhaps sacrificed their own lives for one of our own citizens? None of them have ever started companies that later employed our own citizens? None of them ever started business and help revitalize a dying city?

 
The point of the government giving you money is to give a boost to the economy through consumption. Thus, the stimulus check should be sent to the people most likely to spend it

This EXCLUDES the upper class
it INCLUDES most immigrants

It's not "tax relief" it's "economic relief." So long as the $600 is being spent on ANYTHING, it doesn't matter who it's being sent to. Only the upper class won't bother spending the check (it's like a drop in the ocean)
 
Originally posted by: Kadarin
If you are an illegal alien, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO WORK IN THE U.S. This means that YOU ARE ENTITLED TO NOTHING.

Period. End of sentence.

Go back to fucking Mexico.

It's a Tax Rebate. If they paid taxes, why are they not entitled to the rebate?

The check doesn't just go to anyone, it only goes to people who paid taxes in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
The point of the government giving you money is to give a boost to the economy through consumption. Thus, the stimulus check should be sent to the people most likely to spend it

This EXCLUDES the upper class
it INCLUDES most immigrants

It's not "tax relief" it's "economic relief." So long as the $600 is being spent on ANYTHING, it doesn't matter who it's being sent to. Only the upper class won't bother spending the check (it's like a drop in the ocean)


I'm sorry you're wrong, but most people with brains know that if an Illegal get's hold of any money, it's shipped WESTERN UNION ASAP to Mexico to their Family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hey, I'm cool with any culture that brings me a whole day of drunken revelry (Cinco De Mayo, St Patrick's Day, 4th of July, etc.)
 
Originally posted by: CorCentral
Originally posted by: Eeezee
The point of the government giving you money is to give a boost to the economy through consumption. Thus, the stimulus check should be sent to the people most likely to spend it

This EXCLUDES the upper class
it INCLUDES most immigrants

It's not "tax relief" it's "economic relief." So long as the $600 is being spent on ANYTHING, it doesn't matter who it's being sent to. Only the upper class won't bother spending the check (it's like a drop in the ocean)


I'm sorry you're wrong, but most people with brains know that if an Illegal get's hold of any money, it's shipped WESTERN UNION ASAP to Mexico to their Family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one has brains. If you have more than one brain, that makes you a mutant and you probably can't even function.

I'm sorry, you're wrong, but most people with a brain know that the illegals that don't keep any money here aren't paying taxes in the first place and therefore aren't getting a tax rebate.

Plenty of illegals bring their families to America. Anyone with a brain knows that. They're not all single male migrant workers.
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: CorCentral
Originally posted by: Eeezee
The point of the government giving you money is to give a boost to the economy through consumption. Thus, the stimulus check should be sent to the people most likely to spend it

This EXCLUDES the upper class
it INCLUDES most immigrants

It's not "tax relief" it's "economic relief." So long as the $600 is being spent on ANYTHING, it doesn't matter who it's being sent to. Only the upper class won't bother spending the check (it's like a drop in the ocean)


I'm sorry you're wrong, but most people with brains know that if an Illegal get's hold of any money, it's shipped WESTERN UNION ASAP to Mexico to their Family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one has brains. If you have more than one brain, that makes you a mutant and you probably can't even function.

I'm sorry, you're wrong, but most people with a brain know that the illegals that don't keep any money here aren't paying taxes in the first place and therefore aren't getting a tax rebate.

Plenty of illegals bring their families to America. Anyone with a brain knows that. They're not all single male migrant workers.




Let me explain something to you.......... You are a complete idiot! Sorry for the forceful words, but you've NOT A CLUE!!!!!

I remember being asked by many Mexicans if I'd agree to be included on thier tax forms to get more money. They told me they'd give me a cut of the money. Fuck That!

I should report the whole company now!



 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: CorCentral
Originally posted by: Eeezee
The point of the government giving you money is to give a boost to the economy through consumption. Thus, the stimulus check should be sent to the people most likely to spend it

This EXCLUDES the upper class
it INCLUDES most immigrants

It's not "tax relief" it's "economic relief." So long as the $600 is being spent on ANYTHING, it doesn't matter who it's being sent to. Only the upper class won't bother spending the check (it's like a drop in the ocean)


I'm sorry you're wrong, but most people with brains know that if an Illegal get's hold of any money, it's shipped WESTERN UNION ASAP to Mexico to their Family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one has brains. If you have more than one brain, that makes you a mutant and you probably can't even function.

I'm sorry, you're wrong, but most people with a brain know that the illegals that don't keep any money here aren't paying taxes in the first place and therefore aren't getting a tax rebate.

Plenty of illegals bring their families to America. Anyone with a brain knows that. They're not all single male migrant workers.

And they should ALL be rounded up and shipped back to whatever 3rd world shithole they came from...NO incentive checks, NO welfare, NO foodstamps, NO Medi-Cal free medical...nothing but a return ride back home.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: CorCentral
Originally posted by: Eeezee
The point of the government giving you money is to give a boost to the economy through consumption. Thus, the stimulus check should be sent to the people most likely to spend it

This EXCLUDES the upper class
it INCLUDES most immigrants

It's not "tax relief" it's "economic relief." So long as the $600 is being spent on ANYTHING, it doesn't matter who it's being sent to. Only the upper class won't bother spending the check (it's like a drop in the ocean)


I'm sorry you're wrong, but most people with brains know that if an Illegal get's hold of any money, it's shipped WESTERN UNION ASAP to Mexico to their Family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one has brains. If you have more than one brain, that makes you a mutant and you probably can't even function.

I'm sorry, you're wrong, but most people with a brain know that the illegals that don't keep any money here aren't paying taxes in the first place and therefore aren't getting a tax rebate.

Plenty of illegals bring their families to America. Anyone with a brain knows that. They're not all single male migrant workers.

And they should ALL be rounded up and shipped back to whatever 3rd world shithole they came from...NO incentive checks, NO welfare, NO foodstamps, NO Medi-Cal free medical...nothing but a return ride back home.

Plenty of illegals from Canada, Ireland, etc. Those are 3rd world shitholes?
 
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Plenty of illegals from Canada, Ireland, etc. Those are 3rd world shitholes?

Nope, but they too should be sent home. IIRC, the estimate is that 90% of the illegals in the USA are from south of our southern border; Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc. Oh, let's not forget all the illegal Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese who either came here smuggled in containers, or have just overstayed their visas...Box em up and ship em home...
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Plenty of illegals from Canada, Ireland, etc. Those are 3rd world shitholes?

Nope, but they too should be sent home. IIRC, the estimate is that 90% of the illegals in the USA are from south of our southern border; Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc. Oh, let's not forget all the illegal Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese who either came here smuggled in containers, or have just overstayed their visas...Box em up and ship em home...

Write your senator then.

In the meantime, anyone that's paying taxes should get a stimulus check.
 
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Plenty of illegals from Canada, Ireland, etc. Those are 3rd world shitholes?

Nope, but they too should be sent home. IIRC, the estimate is that 90% of the illegals in the USA are from south of our southern border; Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc. Oh, let's not forget all the illegal Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese who either came here smuggled in containers, or have just overstayed their visas...Box em up and ship em home...

Write your senator then.

In the meantime, anyone that's paying taxes should get a stimulus check.

Then maybe YOU should write YOUR congressman...as it is, NOT everyone who pays taxes gets the stimulus check, and many shouldn't.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Plenty of illegals from Canada, Ireland, etc. Those are 3rd world shitholes?

Nope, but they too should be sent home. IIRC, the estimate is that 90% of the illegals in the USA are from south of our southern border; Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc. Oh, let's not forget all the illegal Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese who either came here smuggled in containers, or have just overstayed their visas...Box em up and ship em home...

Write your senator then.

In the meantime, anyone that's paying taxes should get a stimulus check.

Then maybe YOU should write YOUR congressman...as it is, NOT everyone who pays taxes gets the stimulus check, and many shouldn't.

You're right. I made too much money last year to receive a stimulus check. I'm writing mine right now, demanding that I should receive a check!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
Nobody should be getting a "stimulus check". This is Election year ploy politics at it's finest. Sending money (more taxable income) to everyone will not help the economy. Period.

And to answer the question, FUCK NO.

Marked as the best answer

 
Wait I thought illegals don't file taxes. Illegals don't have SSN, so how can they file taxes ? To get the stimulus check you must file taxes? (I didn't read the article)
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: AnnonUSA
Nobody should be getting a "stimulus check". This is Election year ploy politics at it's finest. Sending money (more taxable income) to everyone will not help the economy. Period.

And to answer the question, FUCK NO.

Marked as the best answer

Agree. :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Eeezee
Originally posted by: Kadarin
If you are an illegal alien, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO WORK IN THE U.S. This means that YOU ARE ENTITLED TO NOTHING.

Period. End of sentence.

Go back to fucking Mexico.

It's a Tax Rebate. If they paid taxes, why are they not entitled to the rebate?

The check doesn't just go to anyone, it only goes to people who paid taxes in the first place.

I'm not understanding why this is so hard for you to get. These people are not entitled to work, should not be paying taxes, and are entitled to NOTHING from our government. They are not even entitled to be here, and the only thing they should be doing is getting the fuck out of the country.

I paid taxes, and I don't get a stimulus check, so why the fuck should they? They are ILLEGAL. Do you even understand what that means?
 
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