Should illegal immigrants get tax stimulus check?

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No.

If the government handed out checks that said you HAVE to spend it in America by this date, then yes. I would be a lot more enthusiastic, if the plan was implemented like this, and forced people to spend it rather than put it into banks
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Did you read the article? This is about citizens vs legal residents who pay taxes...

No. NYT requires registration. Besides, the original question of the OP was "Should illegal immigrants get tax stimulus checks?". Most here simply answer that. Article aside, if the OP wanted to make the thread about the question you stated, he should've changed the title.

As far as citizens vs legal residents who pay taxes, they should get stimulus checks as they are properly contributing to the economy and to the tax coffers.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Did you read the article? This is about citizens vs legal residents who pay taxes...

No. NYT requires registration. Besides, the original question of the OP was "Should illegal immigrants get tax stimulus checks?". Most here simply answer that. Article aside, if the OP wanted to make the thread about the question you stated, he should've changed the title.

As far as citizens vs legal residents who pay taxes, they should get stimulus checks as they are properly contributing to the economy and to the tax coffers.

did you click the link? no registration required.
 

AnnonUSA

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Nobody should be getting a "stimulus check". This is Election year ploy politics at it's finest. Sending money (more taxable income) to everyone will not help the economy. Period.

And to answer the question, NO.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: JS80
I am a citizen married to a citizen and I am not getting a stimulus check. How fair is that?

How about this? We adopted a special needs child last year. Because of this we received a ten thousand dollar federal tax credit to defray the costs of adoption. Because of this we had no tax liability for 2007. Because of this we only got the minimum ($600) instead of the max ($1200) despite the fact that nearly the entire credit went to the adoption agency.

haha i was just trying to feel sorry for myself. but damn that is quite a scenario.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Not only should ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS...
what about green card holders?
Part of the cost to you of being allowed to live/work here.
So, I have to pay taxes to be here, but not receive any benefits of said taxes since i am not a US citizen? :confused:

There's a GIGANTIC difference between not getting a stimulus check and not getting ANY of the benefits.

I'm not taking either side in this, just be clear - the vast majority of benefits of living here is available to you regardless of SSN status.
 

Gothgar

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Originally posted by: nkgreen
They should set up an office and tell them to come pick up their check. Once they get inside, arrest and deport them.

LULZ!!! :thumbsup:
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: JS80
I am a citizen married to a citizen and I am not getting a stimulus check. How fair is that?

How about this? We adopted a special needs child last year. Because of this we received a ten thousand dollar federal tax credit to defray the costs of adoption. Because of this we had no tax liability for 2007. Because of this we only got the minimum ($600) instead of the max ($1200) despite the fact that nearly the entire credit went to the adoption agency.

haha i was just trying to feel sorry for myself. but damn that is quite a scenario.

So the government picks up $10,000 of your adoption costs and you're bitter about the extra $600 this year? Am I reading that right?
 

wetcat007

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If they paid taxes yes, otherwise no. I believe that is how it works as of current anyhow. Simple enough right?
 

quikah

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Some people seem to be confused.

You need either an ITIN or an SS# to file taxes. ITIN's are issued by the IRS, they are ID numbers that anyone who needs to pay taxes can get. An ITIN has absolutely no bearing on the legal status of the person. You can be illegal and get an ITIN and you can be legal and get an ITIN. The govt decided to not give rebates to anyone that files with an ITIN because you cannot verify legal status.

The messed up part is if a married couple files with one SS# and one ITIN they don't get it. Should at least give the rebate for the person with the SS#.

IMO, if you pay taxes you should get the rebate, legal status doesn't matter to me, they are paying into the system.

Also, if you have a green card you are eligible for an SS# and a rebate, it is your own damn fault if you don't have one.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: maddogchen
i've never thought of that...do illegal immigrants file taxes??

nope. any taxes they do pay are insignificant compared to the cost of the services they use, never mind the cost to society of cheap labor.
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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No. ONLY American citizens should get checks. And a lot of Americans don't get them because they earn too much, or other bullshit.

Edit: And don't tell me that illegals contribute to the economy/country. They are undocumented and receive many benefits (free healthcare for one, just by going to the ER and not paying). The low-end jobs don't pay enough for an American? Maybe if billions of dollars weren't being mailed out of the country to Mexico, then we'd have more money to give.
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: maddogchen
i've never thought of that...do illegal immigrants file taxes??

nope. any taxes they do pay are insignificant compared to the cost of the services they use, never mind the cost to society of cheap labor.

Some of them fill out W-4s with made up SSNs. They end up paying taxes but have no way of filing a return at the end of the year, so any excess they paid is gravy for the IRS.
 

Kadarin

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If you are an illegal alien, YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO WORK IN THE U.S. This means that YOU ARE ENTITLED TO NOTHING.

Period. End of sentence.

Go back to fucking Mexico.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: maddogchen
i've never thought of that...do illegal immigrants file taxes??

nope. any taxes they do pay are insignificant compared to the cost of the services they use, never mind the cost to society of cheap labor.

Actually, millions file and pay taxes every year. Look it up, it isn't hard.
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: maddogchen
i've never thought of that...do illegal immigrants file taxes??

nope. any taxes they do pay are insignificant compared to the cost of the services they use, never mind the cost to society of cheap labor.

Actually, millions file and pay taxes every year. Look it up, it isn't hard.

He's spouting bullshit like it's the fucking gospel. Do you think he'll actually take the time to read something that would prove him wrong? I don't, but I hope he proves me wrong!
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: maddogchen
i've never thought of that...do illegal immigrants file taxes??

nope. any taxes they do pay are insignificant compared to the cost of the services they use, never mind the cost to society of cheap labor.

Actually, millions file and pay taxes every year. Look it up, it isn't hard.

He's spouting bullshit like it's the fucking gospel. Do you think he'll actually take the time to read something that would prove him wrong? I don't, but I hope he proves me wrong!

they pay some taxes. they don't pay all their taxes if they are illegals, thats a given. the cost of services they and their children use far outstrip all the taxes they pay. just in california they pay almost 2 billion sure, but they cost more than 10 billion. on the federal level their costs outstrip payments by another 10 billion. and this doesn't take into account the effects of driving wages down with imported labor and devaluation of jobs and the costs associated with more americans on unemployment and such.

you don't get high taxes from low wages. thats a given. never mind a large chunk of it gets sent back over the border and isn't spent here either.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: maddogchen
i've never thought of that...do illegal immigrants file taxes??

nope. any taxes they do pay are insignificant compared to the cost of the services they use, never mind the cost to society of cheap labor.

Actually, millions file and pay taxes every year. Look it up, it isn't hard.

He's spouting bullshit like it's the fucking gospel. Do you think he'll actually take the time to read something that would prove him wrong? I don't, but I hope he proves me wrong!

they pay some taxes. they don't pay all their taxes if they are illegals, thats a given. the cost of services they and their children use far outstrip all the taxes they pay. just in california they pay almost 2 billion sure, but they cost more than 10 billion. on the federal level their costs outstrip payments by another 10 billion.

you don't get high taxes from low wages. thats a given. never mind a large chunk of it gets sent back over the border and isn't spent here either.

You can say the same thing about all poor people who pay less in taxes than they receive in aid from taxes. We should kick them out of the country too.
 

0roo0roo

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At that time, the illegal alien population was estimated to be about five million persons. The estimated fiscal cost of those illegal aliens to the federal, state and local governments was about $33 billion. This impact was partially offset by an estimated $12.6 billion in taxes paid to the federal, state and local governments, resulting in a net cost to the American taxpayer of about $20 billion every year. This estimate did not include indirect costs that result from unemployment payments to Americans who lost their jobs to illegal aliens willing to work for lower wages. Nor did it include lost tax collections from those American workers who became unemployed. The study estimated those indirect costs from illegal immigration at an additional $4.3 billion annually.

During the years since that estimate, the illegal alien population is estimated to have roughly doubled, so the estimated fiscal costs also will have at least doubled. Furthermore, the passage of time is accompanied by inflation in the costs of services, e.g., school budgets continue to climb. Therefore, what was estimated to be a cost to the American taxpayer of $33 billion in 1996 today would be at least $70 billion. Similarly, tax collections would have increased ? sales taxes at least ? so that the net expense to the taxpayer from illegal immigration would currently be at least $45 billion. The indirect fiscal costs would have also increased, especially during a period of already high unemployment, to perhaps and additional $10 billion annually.

1996 Costs Table from the Huddle Study 1

Programs


(billions)
Public Education K-12

$5.85
Public Higher Education

$0.71
ESL and Bilingual Education

$1.22
Food Stamps

$0.85
AFDC

$0.50
Housing

$0.61
Social Security

$3.61
Earned Income Tax Credit

$0.68
Medicaid

$3.12
Medicare A and B

$0.58
Criminal Justice and Corrections

$0.76
Local Government

$5.00
Other Programs

$9.25

Total Costs


$32.74

Less Taxes Paid


$12.59

Net Costs of Direct Services


$20.16

Displacement Costs


$4.28

All Net Costs


$24.44

Other More Recent Estimates

Other estimates have been done on components of the cost of illegal immigration. For example, FAIR estimated in 2003 that the cost of K-12 education for illegal alien children was at least $7.4 billion annually (see Breaking the Piggybank). This would be less than double the about $5.9 billion estimate above, but would be of the same order of magnitude. FAIR?s 2004 report on the medical expenses incurred because of illegal immigration (see The Sinking Lifeboat) shows uncompensated costs in excess of one billion dollars.

The cost of incarceration of illegal aliens in state prisons has also risen rapidly. In fiscal year ?02, the Department of Justice?s State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) distributed $550 million to the states to help defray their expenses, but this was estimated to cover only about one fifth of their outlays. Between FY'99 and FY'02, alien detention increased by 45 percent (from about 69,300 inmate years to over 100,300 inmate years), and that trend is continuing. These expenses do not include the costs of illegal aliens incarcerated in federal prisons, public safety expenditures, detention pending trial, expenses of trial proceedings, interpretation, public defenders, or the incarceration expenses of immigrants for minor offenses that do not meet the standards of the SCAPP reimbursement program. Therefore, it is clear that outlays for Criminal Justice and Corrections costs is today much greater than double the 1996 estimate.

While the cost of outlays for illegal aliens may be shifted by legislation among the levels of government and the private sector, the fact remains that illegal immigration creates an enormous fiscal burden on America and its citizens ? a burden that Congress has levied upon us through short-sighted and haphazard immigration policy and succeeding administrations have aggravated by spotty enforcement of the law. http://www.fairus.org/site/Pag...rationissuecentersf134
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: maddogchen
i've never thought of that...do illegal immigrants file taxes??

nope. any taxes they do pay are insignificant compared to the cost of the services they use, never mind the cost to society of cheap labor.

Actually, millions file and pay taxes every year. Look it up, it isn't hard.

He's spouting bullshit like it's the fucking gospel. Do you think he'll actually take the time to read something that would prove him wrong? I don't, but I hope he proves me wrong!

they pay some taxes. they don't pay all their taxes if they are illegals, thats a given. the cost of services they and their children use far outstrip all the taxes they pay. just in california they pay almost 2 billion sure, but they cost more than 10 billion. on the federal level their costs outstrip payments by another 10 billion.

you don't get high taxes from low wages. thats a given. never mind a large chunk of it gets sent back over the border and isn't spent here either.

You can say the same thing about all poor people who pay less in taxes than they receive in aid from taxes. We should kick them out of the country too.

those are OUR poor people, and we should take care of them. being kind to illegals is exactly the opposite of compassion for the poor. you import unfair competition for the jobs that the poor would do and distort the labor markets to drive down price of labor and destroy bargaining power.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Did you read the article? This is about citizens vs legal residents who pay taxes...

No. NYT requires registration. Besides, the original question of the OP was "Should illegal immigrants get tax stimulus checks?". Most here simply answer that. Article aside, if the OP wanted to make the thread about the question you stated, he should've changed the title.

As far as citizens vs legal residents who pay taxes, they should get stimulus checks as they are properly contributing to the economy and to the tax coffers.

did you click the link? no registration required.

Yeah, thats when I get redirected to a registration screen. It is free, but I just don't want to bother. You must be using BugMeNot or something.