FYI Carbo,
I'm currently in college right now, but in high school i was pretty much known as an avid cheater in certain classes. I got the answers to every spanish test, i switched around test papers in AP Chemistry, and in Pre-Calculus i'd say about 50% of the tests i cheated on.
I did so because i was lazy, etc. but then on some tests in life you just can't cheat on, and well as today's society goes, kids don't learn the fundamentals, but instead they learn how to get by (i.e. people skills)
I passed my AP Chemistry test with a 4 (4 out of 5, 3 is passing), passed my AP Calculus BC test with a 5, i got a 1480 on my SAT, and 750+ on all my SAT2's. So just to tell you, kids these days self-parent themselves a lot and mature very quickly... just make sure your daughter can get a 1500+
I'm currently in college right now, but in high school i was pretty much known as an avid cheater in certain classes. I got the answers to every spanish test, i switched around test papers in AP Chemistry, and in Pre-Calculus i'd say about 50% of the tests i cheated on.
I did so because i was lazy, etc. but then on some tests in life you just can't cheat on, and well as today's society goes, kids don't learn the fundamentals, but instead they learn how to get by (i.e. people skills)
I passed my AP Chemistry test with a 4 (4 out of 5, 3 is passing), passed my AP Calculus BC test with a 5, i got a 1480 on my SAT, and 750+ on all my SAT2's. So just to tell you, kids these days self-parent themselves a lot and mature very quickly... just make sure your daughter can get a 1500+
I agree 100%. If you let her slide by, she'll do it again. Letting her get by only cheats her future.
Edit: And if my kid pulled something like this, she'd have ZERO AIM and phone time. She'd spend her entire summer vacation doing more school work. I take cheating very seriously.
i think that's a bit shortsighted.... you don't know what kind of reaction the school will give... this could seriously screw her record up.
skace, middle school is what we used to call junior high school, grades 6 through 8. And, she doesn't want to gain anything from school. She views it as a rest stop between social obligations. In fact, she wants to drop out and become a singer. That's right, this one is convinced she is the next great pop star. I effin hate Britney Spears.
If you let it go she'll think it's alright to cheat. If it were my kid we would go to the school and tell them what happened and let them punish on their terms. My punishment would be no privledges (phone, gameboy, PS, going out, computer, whatever). BTW I do have children (10 & 8) so I am not one of the children or childless of ATOT offering advice.
ARGH... don't you just hate that?! it bugs me so much when my little sister has these dead-end aspirations. ugh. why couldn't she have been a geek like me
i wish i had a way of crushing her dreams..........and therein lies my dilemma. Right now, she is feeling pretty smug and good about things. Skated through another year at school, summer vacation is here, man, life is good. She beat the system. I do nothing and she has, in fact, done just that.
On the other hand, if I blow the whistle and go to the school, she receives a serious smack upside the head and a rude awakening. Her knowing that I know, by the way, won't mean a damn thing to her. She's at that stage where she has no respect for me or her mom, and is not at all shy about telling me, and anyone else within earshot, she hates me.
There has to be accountability. Just like with that science class in Nebraska who's teacher flunked them for plagarising, I don't have a problem with her record being screwed up. She has to learn there are consequences for her actions. Being a student is her job and ethically (for her job), cheating is the worst thing she can do for herself.
If she gets turned in, she'll probably have to retake the course and learn the stuff she ignored before. Since she's only in middle school she has lots more math to go. Not retaking the course could be devistating for all of her future math classes.
all through high school i was in the "advanced" classes. you know, the classes they put people in that think they'll do well in harder classes, but really won't. anyway, it's amazing to me how much cheating went on in those classes. if you ask me, cheating on a final is nothing. cheating on every test in every class with the help of almost every classmate is bad. having an entire class of 40 students deny that the teacher told them there was a going to be a test today is kinda bad, too.... that happened once. it was funny, though, in a sick kinda way, because the class actually convinced him that he never told us about the test, and he put it off for a week.
she should definitely retake the math class or at least learn the stuff.
and of course there should be accountability. but look at it this way. either way, she can be forced to go to summer school. but one way will potentially harm her academic record. this will not teach her a lesson (until it's too late, years from now) anyways, since she doens't care about school. so what is the point? everybody is better off if she is punished by her parents, and not some strangers. i can't see any advantage to having the school punish her.
Also, take out the phone and pc privilege and grounded her. Sometimes strict discipline is the only thing that can affect them.
Tell the school and cut her AIM and phone-privileges. Yes it will be tough. Yes she will bitch and moan. But maybe she should have thought about that before she decided to cheat in the test. She has to learn that she has to take responsibility for her actions.
tell her that you have put up with alot of her stunts (I remember your other thread about your daughter), but this is where you draw the line.
tell her that you have put up with alot of her stunts (I remember your other thread about your daughter), but this is where you draw the line.
I think you know what you want to do, so do it. It's middle school, there's not going to be some life altering mark on her academic record or her psyche. She has plenty of time to get past this. You don't want her getting caught doing this in high school when it will affect her academic standing.
the school could choose not to let her graduate, or something like that. not to mention, over here, the middle school teachers consult with the high school teachers to determine what classes you go into. i'd say there's a fair chance the hs teachers will catch wind of this.
it's entirely possible to punish her without the school, so why get other people involved?
Send her to a city college (fees are usually waived if you are a high school student, ask a person at the community college). I started the summer after 8th grade...kept attending city college during 9th, went to a university the following year
Well, school is the institution she cheated, so it's quite valid to bring them in to this. Like it or not, they are already involved (they just don't know it yet).
valid? as a parent, you should be looking at what is best for your child... and if you can achieve the same punishment without risking her record, why not? it just doesn't make sense.
Not meaning to be harsh, but so far he's having all kind of problem trying to instill discipline to this girl. If she can be discipline at home, by all mean go for it, but informing the school and let her be discipline by them isn't something that should be forgotten either. She will learn firsthand that cheating your way in school is just going to mess up your own life (especially later in college).
What is best for your child? What is best for the kid is to realize that she can't just cheat her way through life. Punishing her by removing phone & PC-rights? Tough, but not really that bad in the grand scheme of things. What she needs to know is that she must take responsibility for her actions. If she gets through school by cheating, she will not be prepared for the real world. If telling the school means that she will not graduate, then so be it. Maybe then she understands that world is not her playground.
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