Should I throw the game?

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rh71

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let the other team try to beat your 2nd string squad... and throw in some bad coaching decisions of your own. Lots of deep pass routes that have low percentage of completions. Experiment... it's your last game before playoffs. ;)

That's what I would do. You have a reason to not play the starters already... so it doesn't look to the other team of kids like you're letting them win.
 

Phoenix86

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There is an easy win-win-win here, and you already mentioned it. Field the benchwarmers.

The starts on your team get enough play, they have already taken 1st, they don't need any more. They won the season, win for them.

The benchwarmers get more playing time, they have been watching the better players play and win. They get to play more, win for them.

Fielding the bench warmers will give the other team a chance to play a fun game (losing all the time sucks, even at that age). They get to play a more competitive game, and maybe win, win for them. Don't start the stars, run up the score. Start the bench warmers and rotate everyone in.
 

Kilgor

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Originally posted by: badmouse
FIRST and SECOND GRADE, and you're asking this???

Play the damned game any way you want.

Then, go home and think about what you are doing to those kids. They don't need to be taught competitiveness, it happens all by itself quite nicely. At this age, they need to get out and play for fun. The ALL need to exercise and run and do all those sport-type things, and no one should EVER be on the bench any longer than anyone else.

The good kids should be thrown off the team because they skew things for everybody else. Ages 6 and 7 are too young to be doing all the complicated things that it takes to win consistently at this kind of game. Instead, they should be building up a base of fitness, cooperation, rudimentary rules, learning to take coaching, and good sportsmanship. It's much too soon for the kind of physical stress that comes with specialized positions and overly intense competition.

These are kids, idiot. They aren't grown enough to know who will be the right size and athleticism when they ARE old enough to play competitively. Your good kids will probably "burn out" and the ones that will turn out to be the REAL athletes won't play because they had such horrible experiences at this young age.

Can you TRULY go to sleep at night knowing that you have given a safe, appropriate, healthy play experience to EVERY KID on your team AND on the teams that they play against?

Whatever you do don't pay any attention to what he said. :) Kids need to learn how to win and lose, they should learn early the only way to stop losing is to get better and win.

 

EagleKeeper

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No - Bad example for the kids. They will want the win.
 

Stark

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rest your stars for the playoffs
if you still destroy the other team, so be it.

Throwing a game is still cheating.
 

Renob

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Never EVER throw a game, pound those little Loosers into the ground.


Then pound them again!


Run that score way up.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: geecee
It's not fair to your own team to tell them to tank it. Play your second string and let the game go where it goes. If you really want to take it easy on them, play your least aggressive players.

BTW, I went to school where the football team didn't win for over four years. I wasn't there for all four of the years though. ;) I wasn't scarred. Then again, I wasn't on the football team. :D

And we havn't LOST in over 4 years (JV lost once - they threw it). We're a 1A team in division 3A/4A due to low population. Our homecoming game last week? 175-0. EVERYBODY had a touchdown.
 

tk149

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1. Play your bench more.
2. Have your good players perform difficult plays. It'll be good practice. You can even explain to them that since the team has the playoffs locked in, this is the perfect time to try new things with another team.
3. Rotate players to different positions.
4. 6-7 year-olds will blab like high-school girls in a locker room. You CANNOT tell them to throw the game, or to take it easy on the other team and expect all of them to keep it a secret.
 

BigPoppa

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Have a fun game. Draw up some crazy plays: flea flickers, passes to the QB, crazy reverses, hell...run a flying V or something. Have some fun.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: badmouse
FIRST and SECOND GRADE, and you're asking this???

Play the damned game any way you want.

Then, go home and think about what you are doing to those kids. They don't need to be taught competitiveness, it happens all by itself quite nicely. At this age, they need to get out and play for fun. The ALL need to exercise and run and do all those sport-type things, and no one should EVER be on the bench any longer than anyone else.

The good kids should be thrown off the team because they skew things for everybody else. Ages 6 and 7 are too young to be doing all the complicated things that it takes to win consistently at this kind of game. Instead, they should be building up a base of fitness, cooperation, rudimentary rules, learning to take coaching, and good sportsmanship. It's much too soon for the kind of physical stress that comes with specialized positions and overly intense competition.

These are kids, idiot. They aren't grown enough to know who will be the right size and athleticism when they ARE old enough to play competitively. Your good kids will probably "burn out" and the ones that will turn out to be the REAL athletes won't play because they had such horrible experiences at this young age.

Can you TRULY go to sleep at night knowing that you have given a safe, appropriate, healthy play experience to EVERY KID on your team AND on the teams that they play against?

Wow, this is like the polar opposite of the way I feel.

Kids, in my opinion, need someone to teach them about winning and losing. Everyone is trying to protect them from getting their feelings hurt. Real life doesn't work that way.

 

CPA

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Originally posted by: badmouse
FIRST and SECOND GRADE, and you're asking this???

Play the damned game any way you want.

Then, go home and think about what you are doing to those kids. They don't need to be taught competitiveness, it happens all by itself quite nicely. At this age, they need to get out and play for fun. The ALL need to exercise and run and do all those sport-type things, and no one should EVER be on the bench any longer than anyone else.

The good kids should be thrown off the team because they skew things for everybody else. Ages 6 and 7 are too young to be doing all the complicated things that it takes to win consistently at this kind of game. Instead, they should be building up a base of fitness, cooperation, rudimentary rules, learning to take coaching, and good sportsmanship. It's much too soon for the kind of physical stress that comes with specialized positions and overly intense competition.

These are kids, idiot. They aren't grown enough to know who will be the right size and athleticism when they ARE old enough to play competitively. Your good kids will probably "burn out" and the ones that will turn out to be the REAL athletes won't play because they had such horrible experiences at this young age.

Can you TRULY go to sleep at night knowing that you have given a safe, appropriate, healthy play experience to EVERY KID on your team AND on the teams that they play against?


You know, I have no problem with you providing your opinion, but you completely lose your credibility when you start name-calling.

What may even be more absurd is your calling of throwing the better players off the team. That's akin, to throwing the smartest kids out of school. You want kids to play a sport, but only those kids that aren't as good as some others. That is rediculous.

The League is set up with competitiveness (among sportsmanship, fair-play, and teamwork qualities) in mind, but with rules to insure all kids get to play. Whether the league is competitive or not, though, you would be foolish not to believe that these kids don't know what the score is or who is winning. Hell, the kids count the TDs in the 4 and 5 year old division, though no score is kept. You would also be foolish to underestimate these kids in terms of their understanding and how quick they learn things. We have to teach all of the basics in 6 weeks of 3 1-hour day/week practices, as well as formations, snap counts and plays (which we have 30+) to 16-22 kids. That said, we do NOT have the time, though, to teach every position to every player. It is impossible.

Kids aren't stupid and are generally competitive by nature. Addionally, all parents know the league rules when the come in, if they don't like it there is always FFPS (Fun, Fair Positive Soccer), which doesn't keep scores in any age bracket. I have even recommended this to one of my parents when he stated "I do not teach me son aggressiveness". Well, what the hell are you doing playing football then?
 

blakeatwork

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Crush them. Pound them until the choke on their own worthless, weak tears.

Then, take you team out for pizza.

Is that how you approach all of your trials? ;)

If he was my lawyer, it had bloody well better be..

except for the pizza, I'd prefer chinese...

:D
 

PanzerIV

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I take offense to the soccer ninny line... ;)

As has been said let the least dominant kids play this time and let nature take its course. It could be a win/win situation in that you are giving the kids who don't play as much the opportunity to shine and for all you know the other time might get lucky and beat them so you make the other team happy too.
 

ViperSSD

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The kind side of me says play your best players less and give them a shot.
My other side says pound them into submission, a loss before heading into the playoffs could be very bad for morale and really change the tempo of your team.
 

throw the first half....let them score as much as possible

then challenge your team to make a comeback and win


if you decide to throw the game, at least make some big bets on it
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Beat them as badly as you possibly can. And then throw it in their face.

LOL, I was going to say something similar.

Do what they do in the pro's. Rest your star players and avoid any possible injuries. I'd start your second and third stringers and only bring in your first team to try trick plays out before the playoff. Play it like it's a pre-season scrimmage game unless they have a chance of losing and then win by all costs necessary :D
 
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Originally posted by: BigPoppa
Have a fun game. Draw up some crazy plays: flea flickers, passes to the QB, crazy reverses, hell...run a flying V or something. Have some fun.

I like this idea too, mix in some crazy stuff that you've never tried before. It ought to confuse the Hell out of the other team, and might even work. :D
 

jjones

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I agree with what most have said. Take the time to use your less experienced players to give them a chance to better participate and try some new plays out to see if you might want to bring something new into the playoffs.
 

badmouse

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Originally posted by: badmouse
FIRST and SECOND GRADE, and you're asking this???

Play the damned game any way you want.

Then, go home and think about what you are doing to those kids. They don't need to be taught competitiveness, it happens all by itself quite nicely. At this age, they need to get out and play for fun. The ALL need to exercise and run and do all those sport-type things, and no one should EVER be on the bench any longer than anyone else.

The good kids should be thrown off the team because they skew things for everybody else. Ages 6 and 7 are too young to be doing all the complicated things that it takes to win consistently at this kind of game. Instead, they should be building up a base of fitness, cooperation, rudimentary rules, learning to take coaching, and good sportsmanship. It's much too soon for the kind of physical stress that comes with specialized positions and overly intense competition.

These are kids, idiot. They aren't grown enough to know who will be the right size and athleticism when they ARE old enough to play competitively. Your good kids will probably "burn out" and the ones that will turn out to be the REAL athletes won't play because they had such horrible experiences at this young age.

Can you TRULY go to sleep at night knowing that you have given a safe, appropriate, healthy play experience to EVERY KID on your team AND on the teams that they play against?
I apologize for getting overwrought: I had just come from the hospital visiting a neighbor kid who broke vertebrae 4 &amp; 5 in a HS soccer game, and the coaches were in the hospital yelling at his parents that he should get up and play because they really really needed him in the next game.

I really meant to encourage superb physical conditioning for all the kids so that they can all play their best and stay healthy, but I went way way way too far.

I was wrong to imply that you aren't taking good care of your kids - that was coming from the wrong place entirely, and I'm sorry.

And as you so rightly point out, it's football. Go for it!