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Should I put a cold air intake on my Civic?

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SparkyJJO said:
Love that ricer math. Now the advertised HP numbers are worth 2-3x more than they say. Sweet, sign me up.
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Have you never heard of power to weight ratio? It's way more important than raw horsepower. If you put a 400hp motor on a 10,000lb vehicle, it will probably be slower than just about any car on the road.

Why don't you just buy a bus? It'll have massive horsepower! I would love to see you race a Civic while driving a bus. 😀
 
SickBeast said:
Have you never heard of power to weight ratio? It's way more important than raw horsepower. If you put a 400hp motor on a 10,000lb vehicle, it will probably be slower than just about any car on the road.

Why don't you just buy a bus? It'll have massive horsepower! I would love to see you race a Civic while driving a bus. 😀
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No one gives a shit if you rice your civic out, just don't brag about it.
 
SickBeast said:
Have you never heard of power to weight ratio? It's way more important than raw horsepower. If you put a 400hp motor on a 10,000lb vehicle, it will probably be slower than just about any car on the road.

Why don't you just buy a bus? It'll have massive horsepower! I would love to see you race a Civic while driving a bus. 😀
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And if you put 150hp in a 3000lb vehicle, it'll still be slower than 400hp in a 3000lb vehicle. 😉

400whp on 10,000lb should run a quarter mile in about 17 seconds...probably barely slower than your Civic is now.
 
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SickBeast said:
Have you never heard of power to weight ratio? It's way more important than raw horsepower. If you put a 400hp motor on a 10,000lb vehicle, it will probably be slower than just about any car on the road.

Why don't you just buy a bus? It'll have massive horsepower! I would love to see you race a Civic while driving a bus. 😀
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Yes, but 10 HP is 10 HP. Doesn't become "equal" to more or less at any time 😉 Plus, the Corvette isn't much heavier than a Civic is. The Civic is just under 3000 pounds, the Corvette Z06 is 3175 pounds 😉 But yes, +10 HP on a Civic would be more noticeable since the civic is so lacking of it to begin with 😛
 
SickBeast said:
Have you never heard of power to weight ratio? It's way more important than raw horsepower. If you put a 400hp motor on a 10,000lb vehicle, it will probably be slower than just about any car on the road.

Why don't you just buy a bus? It'll have massive horsepower! I would love to see you race a Civic while driving a bus. 😀
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http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.htm
filter upgrades are stupid btw. The restriction is not going to be at the filter, all you're paying for is fouled MAF sensors and shitty filtration.

Also dont cheapskate mods, a quality product>>>cheap product. A good exhaust manifold is a decent upgrade, a shitty one is a 100% waste of money.

Also... it's a civic and you want to do NA power upgrades? Might as well just give me the money, same difference. Either get a real performance motor or forced induction, everything else is expensive and inefficient. Polishing a turd just leaves you with a shiny turd. You could drop in $2-$3k in quality bolt ons... for maybe 20hp or you can spend 4k to drop in a turbo or different motor for at least 60+ hp.Every engineering whitepaper on the R18A1 is targeted on how they tried to maximize efficiency, not power. you can see that from valve angles, cam profiles, etc. Fighting with it would be a pyhrric victory at best.
 
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I put a Short Ram Intake in my car. Main reason was to clear up space in my engine bay and obviously sounds better cus of the turbo. I got an SRI cus I didn't want the chance of hydro-lock and I have an intercooler anyways that cools the air.
 
mwmorph said:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.htm
filter upgrades are stupid btw. The restriction is not going to be at the filter, all you're paying for is fouled MAF sensors and shitty filtration.

Also dont cheapskate mods, a quality product>>>cheap product. A good exhaust manifold is a decent upgrade, a shitty one is a 100% waste of money.

Also... it's a civic and you want to do NA power upgrades? Might as well just give me the money, same difference. Either get a real performance motor or forced induction, everything else is expensive and inefficient. Polishing a turd just leaves you with a shiny turd. You could drop in $2-$3k in quality bolt ons... for maybe 20hp or you can spend 4k to drop in a turbo or different motor for at least 60+ hp.Every engineering whitepaper on the R18A1 is targeted on how they tried to maximize efficiency, not power. you can see that from valve angles, cam profiles, etc. Fighting with it would be a pyhrric victory at best.
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Truth.

If OP ponied up for a built B18C5 and a good turbo/intercooler/exhaust, he'd have a pretty good runner, but $$$$$.
 
How much power loss do you think that mod would be? Well, I guess power loss is the wrong word. But I can see lots of room to create vacuum and disrupt airflow where that wasn't the case before, which should introduce terrible throttle response and "turbo lag" on a NA car.

Should be far worse for spirited driving than a giant shopping cart wing.
 
jlee said:
...wtf, someone please explain. That looks like an intercooler mounted immediately after the intake...which does not make much sense to me.
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Hey, at least it is connected to something. I've seen one where the intercooler was just hanging there with a bone stock engine with a K&N filter on the intake 😀
 
SickBeast said:
Have you never heard of power to weight ratio? It's way more important than raw horsepower. If you put a 400hp motor on a 10,000lb vehicle, it will probably be slower than just about any car on the road.

Why don't you just buy a bus? It'll have massive horsepower! I would love to see you race a Civic while driving a bus. 😀
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My F750 has just shy of 350hp and weighs in at 20k. It electronicly governs ouy at 75. It would go 80 without the governer. I could probably beat a Yugo or maybe one of those old diesel Rabbits.😀
 
ok, im going to install a secondary phase change unit and use that cold air to feed the turbo. That'll beat that intercooler guy.
 
SparkyJJO said:
Hey, at least it is connected to something. I've seen one where the intercooler was just hanging there with a bone stock engine with a K&N filter on the intake 😀
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Hah, nice.

There's a WRX around here with a FMIC mounted outside the front bumper, with holes cut in the bumper cover for the piping...I want to get a picture of it but I haven't had the perfect opportunity yet.
 
jlee said:
Hah, nice.

There's a WRX around here with a FMIC mounted outside the front bumper, with holes cut in the bumper cover for the piping...I want to get a picture of it but I haven't had the perfect opportunity yet.
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And you think the smiley face is bad? What about a bucktooth?

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SickBeast said:
Have you never heard of power to weight ratio? It's way more important than raw horsepower. If you put a 400hp motor on a 10,000lb vehicle, it will probably be slower than just about any car on the road.

Why don't you just buy a bus? It'll have massive horsepower! I would love to see you race a Civic while driving a bus. 😀
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Yes, but you know just because you have a 1800 lb vehicle doesn't mean you only have to have 200 HP either. You can combine the two and have a 400+ HP engine in a 1800 lb vehicle.

Or even just 500+ HP in a 3500 lb vehicle is prefereble to 200 HP in a 1800 lb vehicle.
 
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