I have held an SCI clearance (above govt TS) and admitted to smoking weed, it's not a big issue, honestly if you have nothing else, they will likely ask you questions about it (i.e. why? and would you again) and if you simply answer "Yeah I tried it, I am not worried about it and no I wouldn't do it again" then they will move on to bigger issues....
they are looking to see if you are truthful, and if that information could be used to bribe/intimidate you, no one cares if you smoked dope a few times.
P.S. This is coming from someone who has held a higher than TS security clearance for the better part of a decade (don't hold it now because job doesn't require it)
they are looking to see if you are truthful, and if that information could be used to bribe/intimidate you, no one cares if you smoked dope a few times.
P.S. This is coming from someone who has held a higher than TS security clearance for the better part of a decade (don't hold it now because job doesn't require it)
alkemyst
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mainly you though.
What is your experience with anyone getting a top secret clearance that has used drugs within one year of hire?
What is your experience with anyone going beyond basic secret clearance with this issue?
There are a ton of people looking for the clearance, it's worth a lot once in the private sector...they really don't have to deal with anyone that is a drug user.
They ok with previous felonies too?
nakedfrog
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Felonies I don't know about, but yes, I know people that smoked that have a TS. I never bothered to get mine because I didn't feel like going through all the paperwork etc. Plus when TS material when around in the shop, I got to go do something else.
cKGunslinger
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As a contractor who holds a TS and SCI clearance, and is currently going through his 5-year update, and has had to provide a multitude of documents, essays, interviews, etc for past behavior and activities, *I* can say that yes, the best thing you can possibly do on an application for DoD clearance is TELL THE TRUTH.
They aren't looking to see if you're a perfect person or have a perfect record - they are looking to see if you have nothing to hide, are honest and open, and are pretty much unblack-mailable/unbribe-able.
*LOL* No, the people I worked with had great senses of humor! We just didn't appreciate being lied to by anyone. Especially by someone trying to get a clearance. Those that lied just made more work for us to do. More work = More grumpy
meltdown75
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Yeah, worked with some like that myself. I didn't fit in real well while there because I like to laugh and joke around when there isn't a bazillion things to do. Work when it is time to work but have fun doing it. No sense in being straight laced all the time.
cKGunslinger
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My first investigator was pretty cool, sense of humor, laid back. For my 5-year update, the guy was a hard-ass. No humor (I didn't even try,) nit-picked every little detail, kept noticing how 'spys typically operate' and my own behavior - I took a Caribbean cruise with my wife that she won as a door prize several years ago, but that pretty much turned into "So you left the country, went to Central America, all on someone else's tab? Hmmm.." :roll:
Yes, lie.
Lie through your teeth and make sure you can back it up.
The government lies to you on a daily basis, return the favor.
Lie through your teeth and make sure you can back it up.
The government lies to you on a daily basis, return the favor.
Sinsear
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: lokiju
I'm sure it'd vary.
What kind of security clearance?
I got security clearance to work on a security system for a large shipping port and I didn't lieThey didn't seem to care.
Yep I work gov and have TS myself. They are not looking for bad things as much as they are looking to see if you are honest.
This is the answer. Integrity is the key.
Absolutely! Our government runs on integrity!Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: lokiju
I'm sure it'd vary.
What kind of security clearance?
I got security clearance to work on a security system for a large shipping port and I didn't lie
Yep I work gov and have TS myself. They are not looking for bad things as much as they are looking to see if you are honest.
This is the answer. Integrity is the key.
I'm sure if they googled your name they would come across this post (since you have your full name and location in your profile).
njdevilsfan87
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I had to get this topic back up.
I was just denied a clearance because I was in the same situation as the OP (for people wondering how, new policy for summer interns implemented two months ago)
So you know, I wasn't too worried. The general consensus from this topic, and from people I asked in real life - people were honest about it on their clearance forms, passed their drug tests, and still were granted security clearance. So I wasn't worried. Yesterday, I find out the internship I should have been starting in maybe a week or two, was no longer available to me, because I became ineligible due to admitting the use of a controlled substance within the past 12 months.
So I'm still very frustrated, and upset over this. I've been getting headaches just from thinking about it too much.
I worked my ass off in school the past year... getting a single B+ all year, with the rest As. I got my cumulative GPA in mechanical engineering up to a 3.5, putting myself in decent to position to land what I felt would have been a meaningful summer internship. Now I'm sitting here, wondering what am I going to do this summer? I don't think there is absolutely any way I could work full-time at a lame job like work in a retail store (no offense to anyone that does, but I had something a lot better lined up, and I can't help but to feel too much potential being wasted now).
My only option right now may be to work volunteer in university research, and maybe work some lame job part time to pay for commute, and allow for a bit of a pocket change to hold me over until I graduate next year.
I cannot stand the feeling of disappointment and personal failure. It's one of the worst feelings in the world to me.
Two months. Everyone before that, they were probably fine. I mean, what exactly does having experimented with pot have to do with my ability to be a useful person? I have blatant proof in my transcript that it did absolutely nothing. I cannot help but to believe that this policy just is not fair. *I did my part*. I did well in school, made good professor references. Had good work experience. I did my part.
Senior Mechanical Engineer? Doesn't matter...
Got a 4.0 last semester? Doesn't matter...
Worked DoD last summer? Doesn't matter...
This really hurts... Everything I worked for, everything that defined me... did not matter. (But it will 10 months from now...) Because I smoked pot 2 months ago.
I was actually going to shred the notice I received in the mail shortly after I received it... but I'm going to keep around as a personal reminder... not just for the obvious, but to avoid ever feeling like this again.
I was just denied a clearance because I was in the same situation as the OP (for people wondering how, new policy for summer interns implemented two months ago)
So you know, I wasn't too worried. The general consensus from this topic, and from people I asked in real life - people were honest about it on their clearance forms, passed their drug tests, and still were granted security clearance. So I wasn't worried. Yesterday, I find out the internship I should have been starting in maybe a week or two, was no longer available to me, because I became ineligible due to admitting the use of a controlled substance within the past 12 months.
So I'm still very frustrated, and upset over this. I've been getting headaches just from thinking about it too much.
I worked my ass off in school the past year... getting a single B+ all year, with the rest As. I got my cumulative GPA in mechanical engineering up to a 3.5, putting myself in decent to position to land what I felt would have been a meaningful summer internship. Now I'm sitting here, wondering what am I going to do this summer? I don't think there is absolutely any way I could work full-time at a lame job like work in a retail store (no offense to anyone that does, but I had something a lot better lined up, and I can't help but to feel too much potential being wasted now).
My only option right now may be to work volunteer in university research, and maybe work some lame job part time to pay for commute, and allow for a bit of a pocket change to hold me over until I graduate next year.
I cannot stand the feeling of disappointment and personal failure. It's one of the worst feelings in the world to me.
Two months. Everyone before that, they were probably fine. I mean, what exactly does having experimented with pot have to do with my ability to be a useful person? I have blatant proof in my transcript that it did absolutely nothing. I cannot help but to believe that this policy just is not fair. *I did my part*. I did well in school, made good professor references. Had good work experience. I did my part.
Senior Mechanical Engineer? Doesn't matter...
Got a 4.0 last semester? Doesn't matter...
Worked DoD last summer? Doesn't matter...
This really hurts... Everything I worked for, everything that defined me... did not matter. (But it will 10 months from now...) Because I smoked pot 2 months ago.
I was actually going to shred the notice I received in the mail shortly after I received it... but I'm going to keep around as a personal reminder... not just for the obvious, but to avoid ever feeling like this again.
You should lie. They really won't be able to find out as long as you don't have a record. Just be cool, look the interviewer straight in the eye and say "No sir, I have never done any kind of drugs in my life". Everything will be fine dude. Don't worry about it. Just follow my advice and you'll have a TS/SCI in no time.
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