Demon-Xanth
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Who is this troll anyway? OFT's evil alter ego?
The trolls are out in force, it's unfortunate that you can add nothing constructive and just have to try and flame though.
Anyone telling the OP to do anything other than take the MSF and decide from there isn't trying to help him at all. Just trying to stroke their little EPEEN.
Raise your hand if you ride a motorcycle to be safe... If you all practiced as much safety BS as you preach none of you would even be on a bike to begin with. (I highly doubt half of you are anyway outside your wild forum imaginations.)
Take the MSF and go from there. If you think you will be better off on a 250cc bike more power to you.
Coming from someone who owns and rides a ZX6R, it's not half as bad as some people in this forum would have you believe. I would recommend the 650r more for a beginner over a 600 super sport, but as long as you aren't trying to do anything stupid, you would be OK either way.
http://www.beginnermotorcyclereviews.com/kawasaki-ninja-650r/
If you get a Vespa like some of these guys are preaching, I'll help you figure out how to go -1/+2 on it in a few weeks
jlee
Lifer
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Nice bike, suzuki 650 right? Would you really be against a bike like that for a beginner?
A bike like that with a nice linear torque curve from the Vtwin would not be bad to start on IMO and could last you forever without getting bored. Not that marketing is a gauge anyone needs to go buy, I think it's even being marketed as a beginner friendly bike.
After reading a few quick reviews on it, most of the them seem to agree.
JulesMaximus
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The trolls are out in force, it's unfortunate that you can add nothing constructive and just have to try and flame though.
Anyone telling the OP to do anything other than take the MSF and decide from there isn't trying to help him at all. Just trying to stroke their little EPEEN.
Raise your hand if you ride a motorcycle to be safe... If you all practiced as much safety BS as you preach none of you would even be on a bike to begin with. (I highly doubt half of you are anyway outside your wild forum imaginations.)
Take the MSF and go from there. If you think you will be better off on a 250cc bike more power to you.
Coming from someone who owns and rides a ZX6R, it's not half as bad as some people in this forum would have you believe. I would recommend the 650r more for a beginner over a 600 super sport, but as long as you aren't trying to do anything stupid, you would be OK either way.
http://www.beginnermotorcyclereviews.com/kawasaki-ninja-650r/
If you get a Vespa like some of these guys are preaching, I'll help you figure out how to go -1/+2 on it in a few weeks
Right...so we should all just follow your advice, throw caution to the wind, and tell a complete novice to go out and make the absolute worst possible choice in motorcycles. Why stop at a 600cc sport bike? He'll probably outgrow that after a few months too...let's get him on a liter bike.
I've been riding for a few years and a couple ten thousand miles, and honestly, that makes me barely qualified to comment on the subject, but when you look at the statistics they vastly support my position. And since your position just seems to be discounting my position, that really isn't much of a position at all...IMO.
jlee
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It's a lot tamer than a 600 inline 4..
It's my first bike and I like it - I also picked it up for $500 and have probably less than $1500 into it now...it hasn't surprised me yet, but I'm not nearly a good enough rider to push it either.
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Fenixgoon
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JulesMaximus
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Imyourzero
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http://www.mediafire.com/i/?zmday3oqbu66ody
I lack the knowledge to link things with a catchy word...
JulesMaximus
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roguerower
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JulesMaximus
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Just finished the MSF class and I want to get a bike this week because I'm so looking forward to riding more.
Every single student in the class is buying at least a 500cc bike. The instructors said starting on a 500-600cc would be ok as long as I have good throttle control.
A new Ninja 250 is $4000 after tax and title and it's 50 miles away being sold in a bumble fuck town. A used one in the area that's 2008 or newer costs at least $3500. There are many many used Ninja 650Rs in the area being sold for a little under $4000...
I really enjoyed riding and I'm not bad at all at it. But having never sat on anything over 250 I'm not sure just how crazy a 650 would be...
But I've read reviews online saying that a 650 Ninja would actually be a good beginner bike...
Every single student in the class is buying at least a 500cc bike. The instructors said starting on a 500-600cc would be ok as long as I have good throttle control.
A new Ninja 250 is $4000 after tax and title and it's 50 miles away being sold in a bumble fuck town. A used one in the area that's 2008 or newer costs at least $3500. There are many many used Ninja 650Rs in the area being sold for a little under $4000...
I really enjoyed riding and I'm not bad at all at it. But having never sat on anything over 250 I'm not sure just how crazy a 650 would be...
But I've read reviews online saying that a 650 Ninja would actually be a good beginner bike...
Zenmervolt
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Right...so we should all just follow your advice, throw caution to the wind, and tell a complete novice to go out and make the absolute worst possible choice in motorcycles. Why stop at a 600cc sport bike? He'll probably outgrow that after a few months too...let's get him on a liter bike.
I've been riding for a few years and a couple ten thousand miles, and honestly, that makes me barely qualified to comment on the subject, but when you look at the statistics they vastly support my position. And since your position just seems to be discounting my position, that really isn't much of a position at all...IMO.
:thumbsup:
He'll just get tired of that liter bike too. Might as well just get a ZX14.
Been riding motorcycles for over a decade now and I wish these kids' insanity were rarer than it is. Too many people out there buying bikes for their egos; it's damn hard for them to start out sensibly because a 250 or 500 doesn't let them compensate.
Ah well. It's a self-correcting problem.
ZV
jlee
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If you can barely reach the ground on a 250, how is a 650 going to fit you?
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1877682461.html
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1874671168.html
http://nh.craigslist.org/mcy/1867580509.html
Honestly at those prices, I wouldn't mind picking up a 250 to really learn to thrash around...I am not comfortable tossing my SV650 around yet and a lighter / smaller bike may be easier to play with. They're certainly cheap enough...
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Zenmervolt
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The 650 is worlds better than a 600, but I'd still recommend a Ninja 500 if you can find one and you're dead set against a 250.
When you say that most of the students were talking about getting bikes over 500cc, bear in mind that cruisers and standards are very different beasts than sportbikes. My Sportster, for example, is a 1200cc bike but it only dynos just under 70 hp at the wheel with my light engine mods. It redlines at 7,000 RPM and that's only because it's been worked on, stock it redlines at 6,000. In terms of power, that's comparable to the Ninja 650 and a lot less than the 600 (yes, the 650 is less powerful than the 600).
A standard or a cruiser in the 650-750 range is quite a bit different (and less powerful) than a 600 supersport.
ZV
jlee
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I was just doing some looking and an 04 Ninja 250 does 0-60 in 5.5, quarter in 15.5. A 500 is 3.76 to 60 and a quarter mile in 12.73...which is pretty quick. Not supersport quick, but quick regardless.
Grats on your MSF. Very smart decision to take it.
650r seat height is pretty low. Maybe shop around a bit and sit on a few. Maybe take a couple test drives. See how comfortable you are with the handling and acceleration difference between the two.
Nope, still have chicken strips, although I'm slowly wearing them away. You?
I do know that I am able to get into the corners much better on my ZX6R compared to my 650R.
Some people can scrape the pegs on a 250 I'm sure. Maybe it's the suspension, maybe the tires, or maybe the more forward sitting position but cornering is a lot more natural on the 600 compared to the 650.
Maybe it's not the norm, but it's completely possible to get on a super sport wearing helmet and leather instead of flip-flops and shorts. Hit the local canyons without doing 150MPH wheelie down the interstate on the way. Have a fun time riding within your limits and come home safe.
SooperDave
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I like it alot over there. I've made a few hundred posts and met some people. Lots of great stuff for new riders and not so new riders.
Fenixgoon
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jesus i looked at mine.. 0-60 in 3.8, 1/4 mile in 12.2
while i do some throttle-happy acceleration getting up to highway speeds, i never lift the front end off the ground (that would scare the living shit out of me).
i'd love to hit a track sometime to explore my limits (cause i won't get to the bike's any time soon!), but there aren't any nearby
halik
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