should I abandon the AMD ship? (Updated)

[Gikaseixas]

AMD's CPUs are dead ends

Every system we have today is a dead end, maybe X99 will last longer because Broadwell - E will most likely fit. Why single out AMD stuff? Soon enough everybody will jump to DDR4, i bet every i7/i5 4xxxK owner here will get the itch

 

[Gikaseixas]

Yes they did, perhaps not in the APU form that console makers were probably interested because of power consumption, integration and cost reasons.

...and performance, don't forget now
I know it's a hard pill to swallow hehe

Who cares about hundreds of benchmarks when we have your subjective impressions saying FX macthes Haswell, huh? Whoever disagress must be a hater.

I rather rely on my honest subjective impressions than FPS figures that don't give you the complete picture. I have both, i play on both systems and can't tell them apart.

 

[Cerb]

Every system you today is a dead end, maybe X99 will last longer because Broadwell - E will most likely fit. Why single out AMD stuff?

The OP has, wait for it, an AMD FM3+ motherboard and CPU, and one with a decent OC on it, at that. Also, AMD doesn't have anything on the desktop to be coming out soon, so, "wait for AMD's next platform," wouldn't make sense.

 

[Sweepr]

...and performance, don't forget now
I know it's a hard pill to swallow hehe

So you are basically saying Intel/NVIDIA/IBM wouldn't be able to provide this level of performance had M$/Sony not opted for an APU? Funny one.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

AMD's CPUs are dead ends. They have nothing but maybe minor speed bumps until some time in 2016, and that's if they're on time with a brand new CPU design.

And so are Intel CPU's. With DDR4 platforms starting to come out -- Socket 1150 is pretty much a dead end as well. I doubt 1150 will get any new CPU designs.... Intel will likely introduce the next generation on a new socket.

I can tell you right now -- FM2+ looks like its has a better future than 1150.... Because AMD's new Carrizo-based products are coming to that existing socket in 2015.... Can you say the same for 1150? I doubt it.

 

[Gikaseixas]

So you are basically saying Intel/NVIDIA/IBM wouldn't be able to provide this level of performance had M$/Sony not opted for an APU? Funny one.

Fact is that none of them had a better solution with performance/thermal/size/graphics/price wise characteristics. Why are you arguing with facts? The best design won, simple.

Deal with it.

Edit: you see Apple laptop line with Intel CPUs for a reason. Intel offers the best there is. Maybe now you'll get it, i hope

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

So you are basically saying Intel/NVIDIA/IBM wouldn't be able to provide this level of performance had M$/Sony not opted for an APU? Funny one.

They can't do it at AMD's price point. Having both a CPU / GPU design team under one roof not only gave them an advantage for packaging, but also one for overall cost.

 

[crashtech]

I just can't help but be suspicious of claims that contradict objective measurements. Reminds me of audio cable snake-oil salesmen. How do you argue with someone who ignores evidence? You can't. Unless users are willing to build two systems and obtain their own subjective impressions, benchmarks are really the only objective means at our disposal.

 

[cbrunny]

Hello

I am wanting to update my primary rig. AMD FX 6300 @ 4.6ghz, gigabyte 990FXA-ud3, 8gig ddr3 1600, 2x840 evo ssds, Corsair TX750 PSU, and Sapphire 7970 (second in the mail for crossfire).

Basically I am looking at getting a 8350 for 150$ or i5\Z97 combo for 285$ at micro center. My big issue is, with having a solid board, is the 8350 the smart upgrade or would the Intel path be better. No issues with cost, more focused on which purchase would be wiser of the two. I have been looking and watching prices for awhile, I can not decide.

Gaming
Bf4
Thief
Titanfall
Csgo
Dota2
Diablo3
Dayz

I also use 3 monitors, if that matters.

I recently upgraded from AMD FX-8350 to Intel i7-4790k. I also use three monitors and have two 7970s in CF. In my experience, don't bother with the 8350 - it absolutely cannot push the 7970 CF sufficiently. I went from playing AC4 in Eyefinity on minimum settings with a mediocre framerate to max (that AMD can do - AC4 is TWIMTBP and has some nVidia specific graphic features) with a noticeably better framerate. New framerate is not perfect, but it is enough for smooth play.

Any game that requires high single threaded performance suffers in a huge way with the FX line.

 

[davie jambo]

So you are basically saying Intel/NVIDIA/IBM wouldn't be able to provide this level of performance had M$/Sony not opted for an APU? Funny one.

Not at the price they wanted to pay no

 

[Gikaseixas]

So you are basically saying Intel/NVIDIA/IBM wouldn't be able to provide this level of performance

Also, don't put words in my mouth, learn to argue with some dignity and honesty. I never said others are not able to come up with a better design, i said that at the time, AMD had the most attractive and best performing chip for the application and MS/Sony where convinced.

 

[Sweepr]

Also, don't put words in my mouth, learn to argue with some dignity and honesty. I never said others are not able to come up with a better design, i said that at the time, AMD had the most attractive and best performing chip for the application and MS/Sony where convinced.

Before you talk dignity, learn to read first.

Yes they did, perhaps not in the APU form that console makers were probably interested because of power consumption, integration and cost reasons.

So we agree.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I recently upgraded from AMD FX-8350 to Intel i7-4790k. I also use three monitors and have two 7970s in CF. In my experience, don't bother with the 8350 - it absolutely cannot push the 7970 CF sufficiently. I went from playing AC4 in Eyefinity on minimum settings with a mediocre framerate to max (that AMD can do - AC4 is TWIMTBP and has some nVidia specific graphic features) with a noticeably better framerate. New framerate is not perfect, but it is enough for smooth play.

Any game that requires high single threaded performance suffers in a huge way with the FX line.

This is the AC4 options menu. Which of these options uses the CPU? Which options were you not able to set on high levels on the FX with two Radeon 7970's that you can now max out with an Intel CPU and the same Radeon 7970's? I don't have this game, so not something I can test. Maybe shadows or Physx particles?

 

[positivedoppler]

Also, don't put words in my mouth, learn to argue with some dignity and honesty. I never said others are not able to come up with a better design, i said that at the time, AMD had the most attractive and best performing chip for the application and MS/Sony where convinced.

Yeah, I think AMD is charging in the ballpark of $100/chip making $15 each. Nvidia and Intel didn't want to touch those type of margin. All is good. Hopefully it will float AMD long enough for Zen to push Intel once again.

 

[Cerb]

And so are Intel CPU's. With DDR4 platforms starting to come out -- Socket 1150 is pretty much a dead end as well. I doubt 1150 will get any new CPU designs.... Intel will likely introduce the next generation on a new socket.

Intel will introduce a new desktop socket soon, with CPUs on it that will have 4 complete cores.
AMD will not do so until into 2016.
So, which company would you wait for, if you're thinking about upgrading, and have basically a 3C6T CPU?

This is not rocket science. The OP has a perfectly good CPU as it is, and could probably get better value from a new keyboard or mouse than a new CPU to go in the existing motherboard.

I can tell you right now -- FM2+ looks like its has a better future than 1150.... Because AMD's new Carrizo-based products are coming to that existing socket in 2015.... Can you say the same for 1150? I doubt it.

No, but none of that has any bearing on anything here. FM2+ means losing a module, at best, right on the face of it, for no gains. That makes no sense in the context of what the OP has.

 

[USER8000]

Yeah, I think AMD is charging in the ballpark of $100/chip making $15 each. Nvidia and Intel didn't want to touch those type of margin. All is good. Hopefully it will float AMD long enough for Zen to push Intel once again.

Nvidia does not have an X86 chip so probably was not really in the running as devs stated they wanted an X86 CPU,and even then their custom ARM cores are still not out anyway.

Intel probably was the only other alternative,but I am uncertain whether they could have an HD7850/HD7870 class GPU in the timeframe MS and Sony wanted the consoles to be released in.

AMD had time to market advantages in this regard,not only cost.

 

[Gikaseixas]

So we agree.

Not really, you're all over the place
you implied i said this:

So you are basically saying Intel/NVIDIA/IBM wouldn't be able to provide this level of performance had M$/Sony not opted for an APU? Funny one

After agreeing with me by saying this

Yes they did, perhaps not in the APU form that console makers were probably interested because of power consumption, integration and cost reasons.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Intel will introduce a new desktop socket soon, with CPUs on it that will have 4 complete cores.
AMD will not do so until into 2016.
So, which company would you wait for, if you're thinking about upgrading, and have basically a 3C6T CPU?

You said AMD was a dead end, he just told you that Intel is in the same boat. Every cpu being sold (except Haswell-E) is a dead end since DDR4 stuff will become mainstream. In other words, socket 1156 is dead end too.

But i agree with you, Intel will have the upperhand since AMD will take longer to adopt DDR4 and this will make their platform even less attractive to new buyers

 

[Gikaseixas]

Nvidia does not have an X86 chip so probably was not really in the running as devs stated they wanted an X86 CPU,and even then their custom ARM cores are still not out anyway.

Intel probably was the only other alternative,but I am uncertain whether they could have an HD7850/HD7870 class GPU in the timeframe MS and Sony wanted the consoles to be released in.

AMD had time to market advantages in this regard,not only cost.

My point exactly

 

[Sweepr]

Not really, you're all over the place
you implied i said this:

After agreeing with me by saying this

I disagree that others wouldn't be able to deliver that level of performance (or even better in non-APU solutions) while I agree that there are others metrics that convinced M$/Sony to jump on the AMD bandwagon back at that time.

 

[Gikaseixas]

I disagree that others wouldn't be able to deliver that level of performance

Please quote where i said other wouldn't be able to deliver? I never said that.

 

[Sweepr]

Please quote where i said other wouldn't be able to deliver? I never said that.

Yes they did
Nvidia and Intel did not have a better solution, the best performing part came from AMD.

...and performance, don't forget now
I know it's a hard pill to swallow hehe

 

[Gikaseixas]

Sweepr please grow up

i said at the time MS and Sony decided to go with AMD, both Intel and Nvidia didn't have a better solution, very different from saying they're not capable of designing something better.

So, who needs to learn how to read?

Edit: But remember Intel sucks on the graphics side, they can't touch Radeon HD7850 level performance (so far)

 

[frozentundra123456]

And so are Intel CPU's. With DDR4 platforms starting to come out -- Socket 1150 is pretty much a dead end as well. I doubt 1150 will get any new CPU designs.... Intel will likely introduce the next generation on a new socket.

I can tell you right now -- FM2+ looks like its has a better future than 1150.... Because AMD's new Carrizo-based products are coming to that existing socket in 2015.... Can you say the same for 1150? I doubt it.

Well actually, an 1150 CPU now, like a 4690/4790 is very, very likely faster for gaming than any upgrade that will be available for FM2, so the point is kind of moot.

 

[MiddleOfTheRoad]

Intel will introduce a new desktop socket soon, with CPUs on it that will have 4 complete cores.
AMD will not do so until into 2016.
So, which company would you wait for, if you're thinking about upgrading, and have basically a 3C6T CPU?

This is not rocket science. The OP has a perfectly good CPU as it is, and could probably get better value from a new keyboard or mouse than a new CPU to go in the existing motherboard.

Why are you arguing with me, when I recommended for the OP to do the same thing? I think he should stick with his existing setup.

Many others were suggesting he move to 1150 -- but that platform for all intents is just as a dead end as AM3.