I think he sucks but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to listen to trash if they want. I think that if the FCC does shut him down on of the satillite companyes should pick him up and give the channel away so that anyone with a reciver can get the idiot just to upset the FCC.
dartworth
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
A funny hypocrisy I'll note - and not direct at you, but note in general - is that I'll bet my top dollar that some of the people who are defending him are also the same people who say that we shouldn't have gay marriages because "it's just wrong.".Originally posted by: slick230
See, in this situation, freedom of speech only applies to religious whackos and those self appointed morality police that are trying to take away our freedom of choice. Anyone who doesn't tow their party line must be a morally decrepit heathen and is contributing to the pollution of society.
Howard Stern says he supports gay marriages...just a FYI
mugs
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You're assuming his 18 million listeners would actually pay $10-12 a month to listen to him. I wouldn't count on that.
I don't mind Howard Stern, but some of his fans give him (and the rest of his fans) a bad name. Like the morons who call the news channels when there's some kind of disaster, claiming to be someone they're not, and say stupid stuff. Like the one who called after the flight 800 crash and said OJ Simpson was flying the plane. Real funny.
I don't mind Howard Stern, but some of his fans give him (and the rest of his fans) a bad name. Like the morons who call the news channels when there's some kind of disaster, claiming to be someone they're not, and say stupid stuff. Like the one who called after the flight 800 crash and said OJ Simpson was flying the plane. Real funny.
xm and sirius will merge...it's destiny
i don't think they can compete for more than a few more years, particularly at the rate xm is claiming to be signing up users
i don't think they can compete for more than a few more years, particularly at the rate xm is claiming to be signing up users
i was thinking the same thing...
i personally like howard and listen everyday, but thats not the issue here, the issue is that they never describe exactly what is "indecent"...originally you could only not say the 7 dirty words and everyone on the radio obeys this because they know exactly what they can and cant say, but with this if the person in charge of deciding thinks its wrong, then they can fine $500,000...thats bull...i dont want someone else saying what i can listen too...
mugs
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The "7 dirty words" were just the words you couldn't say in ANY context, it wasn't a comprehensive list of things you couldn't say. To use George Carlin's example, you could say "the cock crowed 3 times." But not "I have a huge cock."
Skoorb, I still respect you.
but at least there were strick definitions of what u could and couldnt say, thats the point i was trying to make...now they are giving out fines for what they feel is inappropriate
Originally posted by: JackBurton
I don't think you are much or a thinker. The same saw used to cut the legs out from under Howard Stern will be the same saw that cuts your legs. I hope you have a nice wheelchair picked out.Originally posted by: Skoorb
Neither. I'm all for free speech, but he's such a dog of a man that I applaud any attempts to cut his legs out from under him
Well said :beer:
Whether or not you like Stern is irrelevant. DON'T LISTEN!! Forcing him off the air is fascism...plain and simple and an infringement on his rights. Wake up America!
I hope Stern does not get kick off the air. I fun his show to be very funny and entertaining. If he does get kick off, morning drive will never be the same since I am too cheap to pay for either XM or Sirius! This is a clear case of violation of Freedom of speech.
Sorry guys this is not a FREE SPEECH ISSUE.
IT is a decency issue and since the FCC controls the radiowaves and we have LAWS regarding what can be siad on those waves it falls under that.
Because anyone can pick up radio signals there are decency laws that and the public owns the airways and lease them (at a very low cost) to the radio station.
Cable and satalite do not fall under these laws. When the fines start mounting then CC or whomever is paying Sterns salary can look at it as a COST and continue to fund him OR can decide that the cost both in dollars and in PR is no longer worth what money he brings in.
A good exaple of this was Politically Incorrect, which was cancelled not due to poor ratings But because sponsers no longer wanted to fund the show and be associated with it.
This was not Sears killing Mahr's Free Speech it is Sears No longer funding it.
Stern could soon find himself in the same boat. Sponsers will decide if they want to be associated with him and while gaining his loyal group of followers perhaps losing a much larger demographic.
IT is a decency issue and since the FCC controls the radiowaves and we have LAWS regarding what can be siad on those waves it falls under that.
Because anyone can pick up radio signals there are decency laws that and the public owns the airways and lease them (at a very low cost) to the radio station.
Cable and satalite do not fall under these laws. When the fines start mounting then CC or whomever is paying Sterns salary can look at it as a COST and continue to fund him OR can decide that the cost both in dollars and in PR is no longer worth what money he brings in.
A good exaple of this was Politically Incorrect, which was cancelled not due to poor ratings But because sponsers no longer wanted to fund the show and be associated with it.
This was not Sears killing Mahr's Free Speech it is Sears No longer funding it.
Stern could soon find himself in the same boat. Sponsers will decide if they want to be associated with him and while gaining his loyal group of followers perhaps losing a much larger demographic.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
ultimatebob
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Not to mention that he's turned into a whiny bitch ever since he lost his Clearchannel stations. The Howard Stern of old would have fought this by being even MORE wacky and outragous than before, but it seems that corporate America has turned him into a pussy over the years.
You obviously have no idea what the current situation is and should refrain from commenting until you do.
If you've listened at all to what he's been saying over the past few weeks there isn't much he can do about it right now and he's tired of fighting this battle. He just wants to be able to entertain people the way he's been doing it for 20 years and not have the government tell him what he can and can't say.
If corporate america had turned him into a pussy he probably wouldn't have done anything to warran this sitaution in the first place and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Linflas
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There has been an ongoing debate for the past 50 years as regards the 1st amendment and obscenity. The final word to date has been a series of Supreme Court decisions that basically say that obscenity is based on community standards. What is acceptible in NYC is not necessarity acceptible in Peroria. As regards broadcasting the theory from the very beginning has been that the airwaves belong to the public and therefore a the government has every right to regulate who broadcasts on what frequency as well as what is acceptible in terms of content. In regards to content the sole restriction the courts have consistently upheld has been against obscenity. The famous 7 words stem directly from this as well as concepts such as family hour and safe harbor times.
That is why in all of these discussions I have tried to point out that this is not an issue fueled solely by the so called religious right. If you want to get to the core of it the breakdown probably is between teens, single young adults, and married couples without children vs. married people that are raising or have raised families. That in no way means that all of either group supports either position absolutely but I suspect that is the true breakdown of the 2 sides of the issue and it cuts across all religions and beliefs. How else do you explain that whenever congress addresses this issue there are no clear cut lines between the 2 major parties?
Just some food for thought...
You chose a perfect time to show you fvcking head around here :|
As for howard, cool show, listen to it whenever my radio's battery is not dead. For him to be "forcefully" taken off is idiotic. As many mentioned; he doesn't have low ratings, he doesn't offend people very personally(its entertainment he produces). I think howard knew all this was a joke, until the lawyers and manager's were warning him.. Holy S man they really want you out.
He shouldn't go, there are millions of people who listen to him, and the way he explains the whole scenario, the public will be disappointed with their gov't and with the radio station they spend their time listening. It would essentially lead to boycotting of certain radio companies because of their business practices are indicent to the company and to the lobbyists in washington.
People don't forget it, morning of Tuesday Nov 2, I don't hear howard on the radio is the day I vote for a man who wants me to keep my constitional freedoms, not a man who wants to tare them away. Just as with opie and anthony, they admitted NO act was taking place in the church, but a bunch of morons from the "church group" wanted to boycott the radio station in NY and they got kicked off the air also. Granted they were performing an act rather than talking about it, the first signs of change were clearly present to me back then in august.
Well who would you vote for in Nov when you don't hear Howard on the radio. I don't think any canidate inteads to break up CC so I might as well write in Howard then vote for bush or kerry if I cared about hearing howard.
Man I live in Atlanta and we don't have Stern here. I would so get XM or Sirius if Stern was on it.
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