Let's put it this way, what you'd get in your system from it being on your hands if you weren't wearing gloves while handling it, can kill you.
Specop 007
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Sooo...What your saying is 4 grams should last me for a while then right? Ok, in that case I'll make it 50 bucks.
Singapore is retarded. Good thing I don't live there.
He didn't murder anyone so why should he be put to death.
He didn't murder anyone so why should he be put to death.
Are the people that are for his execution christian (or consider themselves such) or do they believe that death is not final? He was just moving narcotics. Should drug users also be sentenced to death? Without them there would be no drug trafficing.
I love Singapore. I went there on vacation with my wife a few years ago and it was an amazing experience. Ive never felt safer in a country, the people were friendly and very polite, even in immigration they smiled! Believe me, thats unusual 
I do agree though, you do the crime, you do the time. You have to be a complete moron to not know the drug penalties in the far east. Its not like he just had some for personal use. It was interesting when we came back from Singapore, when we got off the plane in London the drug dogs were right there sniffing everyone as the exited. Its obviously a big problem and hopefully the death penalty sends the right message.
If the guy needed to get money for debts, why not work in McDs?
I do agree though, you do the crime, you do the time. You have to be a complete moron to not know the drug penalties in the far east. Its not like he just had some for personal use. It was interesting when we came back from Singapore, when we got off the plane in London the drug dogs were right there sniffing everyone as the exited. Its obviously a big problem and hopefully the death penalty sends the right message.
If the guy needed to get money for debts, why not work in McDs?
There are two things wrong with killing a man for drug trafficking. First the punishment far exceeds the crime. Here in the US we have this little thing called the constitution, that specifically restricts cruel or unusual punishment. The US supreme court has ruled that the death penalty is unconstitutionally excessive for any crime other than murder. For those of you who think trafficking drugs is worthy of the death penalty, I say your nuts. It's equivalent to suggesting a bartender or liquor store owner should be held criminaly responsible when some idiot drinks himself to death or plows through a pedestrian in his car. In a just and free society the punishment should fit the crime, plain and simple.
Second, this punishment would do little to deter future drug trafficking. These traffickers are not drug kingpins, they are bottom of the barrel mules. There are plenty of poor, stupid and desperate people who will risk their lives for a chance to get rich quick. The fact is that over 3 decades of fighting a war on drugs here in the US has shown that harsher punishments do not deter drug use or sale in a free society. Where has increasing prison sentences, manditory minimums, asset forfeiture, etc. gotten us? The drugs are more available, more pure, and cheaper than ever in the US.
Now obviously singapore is not the US. Don't make the mistake of believing their excessive punishments that appear to work there will somehow work here. Singapore is a authoritarian police state/city. Nearly everything is against the law there, and the law is strictly enforced. They have sacrificed individuality and freedom for security in their small urban island. Sure they are effective at controlling crime and drug use, but there is a price.
We could try and replicate their low drug use and crime but it would require a massive increase in government police powers. We would have to throw out much of the constitution while setting up our new police state, which we are nicely on our way thanks to the WOD. I personally don't think its worth it.
Second, this punishment would do little to deter future drug trafficking. These traffickers are not drug kingpins, they are bottom of the barrel mules. There are plenty of poor, stupid and desperate people who will risk their lives for a chance to get rich quick. The fact is that over 3 decades of fighting a war on drugs here in the US has shown that harsher punishments do not deter drug use or sale in a free society. Where has increasing prison sentences, manditory minimums, asset forfeiture, etc. gotten us? The drugs are more available, more pure, and cheaper than ever in the US.
Now obviously singapore is not the US. Don't make the mistake of believing their excessive punishments that appear to work there will somehow work here. Singapore is a authoritarian police state/city. Nearly everything is against the law there, and the law is strictly enforced. They have sacrificed individuality and freedom for security in their small urban island. Sure they are effective at controlling crime and drug use, but there is a price.
We could try and replicate their low drug use and crime but it would require a massive increase in government police powers. We would have to throw out much of the constitution while setting up our new police state, which we are nicely on our way thanks to the WOD. I personally don't think its worth it.
I was in full support of that douche bag getting caned...what a little twerp. As for this situation, I dunno....i remember the story about the girl....not this story though
yeah yeah you told me that last time you sold me that stuff....pfft...I turned blue and had frothy convulstions....I DEFINETLY didn't die though.
word. Because the death penalty over here has DEFINETLY deterred others from murdering people...right guys.................guys?
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the use of the death penalty is something reasonable people could disagree upon. what real authority does a tribunal of 9 unelected countermajoritarian oligarchs have over the rest of the citizenry to require total deference to them in such matters?
and if deterrence is what you want, then the punishment fitting the crime is really only getting you back to the status quo. so, no one is deterred. you would steal if all you had to do when caught was giving the money back. so obviously the punishment must outweight the crime, and probably by quite a big because a lot of crime isn't caught.
Well said, hscorpio. We have a lot of people on this board who are so quick to judge and prosecute. Taking ones life over moving substances is far too extreme.
HardcoreRobot
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I think they should let him go swimming off the great barrier reef so he can be a snack for a great white shark
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James3shin
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he got caught with drugs with the intent to sell so hell yes...this law should be in place in N America to...I dont want no scumbag selling drugs to my kids
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