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Should Biden agree to debate Trump?

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Biden's already agreed to at least some debates, but they should be as few as possible.

I actually don't doubt Biden's debate skills, I just doubt that debates can hurt Trump in any way. The fat tiny-handed oompa loompa could shit himself on national television and his supporters wouldn't bat an eyelash. Hillary creamed him in all the debates, but it didn't hurt him in the slightest. His supporters don't watch the debates, they watch the edited clips posted in their circle-jerk groups on facebook.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Then you're like the 21 player who doesn't hit a 12 because you had a gut feeling a 10 would come up, even though hitting the 12 is the better bet 70% of the time. Polls have error margins, but they are better than gut feels, which are essentially worthless.
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I admit no science behind this, I fear 2020 will prove me right
 
DisarmedDespot said:
Biden's already agreed to at least some debates, but they should be as few as possible.

I actually don't doubt Biden's debate skills, I just doubt that debates can hurt Trump in any way. The fat tiny-handed oompa loompa could shit himself on national television and his supporters wouldn't bat an eyelash. Hillary creamed him in all the debates, but it didn't hurt him in the slightest. His supporters don't watch the debates, they watch the edited clips posted in their circle-jerk groups on facebook.
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He shit himself for the liberal tears. Delicious tears, how intolerant of a man who shits himself on stage can you be? Libtard hypocrite.
 
Biden needs to do the debates to maintain the precedent for future elections but my previous provisions for real time fact checking still apply. No matter how much time that eats up.
 
No.

But really because I feel "debates", at least how hey are currently structured and end up being executed, in today's day and age are pointless. I've said the same thing for the last 3 or 4 elections. They serve no purpose except to extract soundbites.
 
If the virus stops "debates" that will be a really nice silver lining. These modern clown shows are an absolute farce.

I conduct interviews at work, with the obvious goal of finding a good candidate for the position. Imagine if I did so as follows:

- have multiple candidates in the room
- only require them to talk on an issue for a couple minutes, and don't bother to try to get them to stay on subject when they start rambling into prepared speeches
- allow them to interrupt and insult each other

It would be an entertaining gladitorial contest but leave me with no idea of who is better for the job. It might help me determine who is an asshole that doesn't work well with others (the "winner").

The President should be a figurehead position whose main quality should be to be good at hiring good people for the various positions that need filling. If you must insist on some kind of televised show, then do this: a Meet the Press style interview where the candidate and an interviewer or two talk at length on subjects. No interruptions, no zingers, and no straying from the point or the interviewer stops them. Of course, this would be called "Booooorrrrrrring" by the no-attention-span moronic public, who really just wants Gladiator. And we get the candidates we get.
 
While Biden is no longer in his prime, he is more rational than Trump.

Debating Trump is shit_burning1.jpg
as foolish as debating the stew of burning feces and diesel fuel.
 
If Trump thinks he can win by repeating those unkept promises he made back in '16, he'll keep his base from bolting. OTOH, I'm hoping that there are enough of those folks out there who got burned by his hollow unfulfilled "campaign promises" and have wised up to the notion that giving him a chance "to prove himself" fell short the moment he took office and got progressively worse from thereon in.

I mean, yeah, getting taken up in the moment of passion where Trump proclaimed that "Mexico will pay for the wall" is somewhat excusable, but not after 3 1/2 years where Trump has proven to be an outright liar and fairy tale teller in this regard. So too his many other declarations that hooked into the "feels" of folks rather than their common sense only to be proven he lied and he lied so often as to make one wonder if he actually believed those fibs or not.
 
Gardener said:
While Biden is no longer in his prime, he is more rational than Trump.

Debating Trump is View attachment 27448
as foolish as debating the stew of burning feces and diesel fuel.
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This....just like everything else he touches, Trump has destroyed the idea of Presidential debates. He would simply do his regular shtick of playground taunts, lies, and name-calling. Why waste everyone’s time on that?

Plus Trumps only narrative left to win is the election is rigged and "so unfair to him". I'm sure he'll say the same about any debates, and not participate.

Although, an argument could be made that debating Biden is the one thing Trump does want to happen in this election. It’s his only chance.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
It was readily apparent who Trump was in 2016 and yet he still managed to win. “Not Trump” is not enough.
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I despised him from even his Apprentice days. Always thought he was a joke.

He had a great deal of help. Not just the bots, the hack, the use of misinformation, the foreign influence, but that Comey thing late was a killer. So many hated Clinton. Not sure he will ever have a person who he runs against that has a similar unfavorable rating. Things aligned for him and he only won by the 70,000 that moved the electorate needle. I agree we need more than “Not tRump.” As much as I doubt this will happen again, we cannot be lackadaisical.
 
Gardener said:
While Biden is no longer in his prime, he is more rational than Trump.

Debating Trump is View attachment 27448
as foolish as debating the stew of burning feces and diesel fuel.
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Biden is far and away better than the lying orange buffoon. As tRump tries his usual ranting and lying, even a stuttering Joe is way above him. The debates, in any format, will show that. Placating to the 30% base is not a tried and true recipe for winning a Presidential election.
 
Grey_Beard said:
I despised him from even his Apprentice days. Always thought he was a joke.

He had a great deal of help. Not just the bots, the hack, the use of misinformation, the foreign influence, but that Comey thing late was a killer. So many hated Clinton. Not sure he will ever have a person who he runs against that has a similar unfavorable rating. Things aligned for him and he only won by the 70,000 that moved the electorate needle. I agree we need more than “Not tRump.” As much as I doubt this will happen again, we cannot be lackadaisical.
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It’s ironic. I know numerous MBA types who worshipped him during the Apprentice days, religiously watched that show and aspired to be on it...they all despise him now. I’ve always known Trump as the failed real estate mogul who was occasionally entertaining on Howard Stern.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
It’s ironic. I know numerous MBA types who worshipped him during the Apprentice days, religiously watched that show and aspired to be on it...they all despise him now. I’ve always known Trump as the failed real estate mogul who was occasionally entertaining on Howard Stern.
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I'll always remember him as the short fingered vulgarian-

www.vanityfair.com

Steel Traps and Short Fingers

In his November editor’s letter, Graydon Carter reveals the presidential candidate’s thin-skinned response to a favorite 25-year-old epithet.
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woolfe9998 said:
My answer is no. Biden has a wide lead, but also a penchant for verbal gaffes. So does Trump, but that aspect of Trump is baked in at this point. Biden has an advantage in being perceived as a more level headed, solid choice. If he gets into a debate and says one or more stupid things, his lead might shrink.

I think the perception that he's afraid to debate will be a lesser downside then the potential downside of debating. Not much upside either. According to polls, HRC won all three debates and got very little bounce in the polls.

He's in, say, the third quarter right now, is leading by 17 points, and he has the ball, 4th and 2 at the 50 yard line. No sense in going for it. Just punt the ball. If he was down by 17 points, then of course he should go for it. He needs to protect his lead by playing it safe.
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You show pessimism. Biden will clean the floor with him like he did with that schoolboy - Paul "Lyin" Ryan! Remember, That pitcher of water Ryan drank after Biden ripped him a new one? I never seen anyone before him drink that much water. Watch the Vice Presidential debate between them on YouTube. You will not be disappointed. You are going to see an old man beating up on a school kid! Get ready....

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I'm sure Joe can handle himself just fine. OTOH, He can reasonably eliminate the idea of a live audience. Playing off the audience is Trump's strong point, so I doubt he'll agree. The whole thing can be done remotely with split screens, something he'll never agree to. Debates may not happen at all.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
It’s ironic. I know numerous MBA types who worshipped him during the Apprentice days, religiously watched that show and aspired to be on it...they all despise him now. I’ve always known Trump as the failed real estate mogul who was occasionally entertaining on Howard Stern.
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Yeah...Trump would be irrelevant if he were not the President. If Donald Trump were not President, would anybody give a shit what his views are on issues of politics, or anything for that matter. If Trump weren't President, most of the people who worship him now, would think he's a Democrat, Hollywood blowhard elitist who parades around as a Republican. Trump has been a Democrat longer than a Republican. He's given more money to Democrats in his lifetime (including Hillary) than Republicans. His kids were registered Democrats up until 2016. Just 5 years ago he described himself as ‘very pro choice’. I never really thought anything about him before he ran. Just some reality show showboating clown entertainer who liked to troll on Twitter. Basically irrelevant.
 
I hear people likening Biden to an elderly golden lab retriever. Maybe not a Border Collie, but he's a good boi, wants to do his job and keep people safe. Sounds about right.

Trump, by comparison, would be some kind of morbidly obese orange macaque. Capable of only either gazing lovingly into a mirror, or throwing feces at people who doubt his brilliance.

As dank pointed out earlier, let's remember that it doesn't matter how badly a repug gets stomped in a debate (Dubya, McCain, and of course Trump gave us wonderful examples). The cult considers any showing by their fool a resounding victory no matter what. Trump could soil his Depends on air and start sucking his thumb, they won't care. We need to remember we're dealing with deranged people here; up is down, black is white, it's just the flu, Trump is not a traitor - the rectal cranial inversion is off the charts with these morons. I think denying them the victories in their own minds is the first step to doing the same at the ballot box.
 
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After watching the Axios interview of Trump I cannot fathom why the Trump campaign would actually be demanding more debates. It's all his worst qualities on showcase for the nation.

The debates this year won't have audiences so it will be closer to this format than anything.
 
K1052 said:
After watching the Axios interview of Trump I cannot fathom why the Trump campaign would actually be demanding more debates. It's all his worst qualities on showcase for the nation.

The debates this year won't have audiences so it will be closer to this format than anything.
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Yeah, that interview was catastrophic for Trump. Trump--"You can't do that!" when talking about death count as a percentage of population vs. percentage of confirmed cases, which is how Trump wants to frame it.
 
Meghan54 said:
Yeah, that interview was catastrophic for Trump. Trump--"You can't do that!" when talking about death count as a percentage of population vs. percentage of confirmed cases, which is how Trump wants to frame it.
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Whining, complaining, evading responsibility, blaming others, shuffling though papers that you don't understand but like because you think it validates your view. Not exactly tremendous optics for an incumbent who large majorities think has fucked things up really badly.
 
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