Should AMD have focused on a Steamroller high TDP product line instead of Vishera?

[sandorski]

Did they "focus" on them or did they already Know that with X Voltage they could get Y Speed? So when push came to shove they decided to just put it on the Market?

 

[notty22]

AMD is saying turbo 3.0 for these new cpu's. I can't find what version the 8350/20 has? Looked at newegg/AMD and didn't stick out. Wondering if they refined it down to one core for those high clocks or some other change.
AT 220 watts, I don't think anything is particularly low voltage. If anything it's leaky chips that respond to volts/ higher clocks than low leakage. As a trend.
Guess we will find out.

Had this in my memory. I support gimmicks like this.

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http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1009/

For those not in the know, these processors are special Phenom II X4s that are hand-picked by AMD for maximum overclocking potential. Ironically, the fact they're high-leakage parts makes them less desirable to most other users. According to AMD, only about 100 TWKR processors exist in the world today.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-phenom-twkr-contest-overclocking,8166.html

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Did they "focus" on them or did they already Know that with X Voltage they could get Y Speed? So when push came to shove they decided to just put it on the Market?

this

I very much doubt they put any significant effort into the 9370 and 9590

 

[galego]

That principle was settled long ago. And AMD is not gonna be any exception. Its both scamming the consumer and breaking the marketing act.

Nice touch tho that you are willing to allow AMD to cheat people for ~6%. In my country tho, that will be a case by the consumer protection handled to the police for further charges.

Nobody is allowing AMD to cheat anything, but please call the police and don't forget to add this

and this "up to".

Is that how AMD is advertising them?

Is AMD advertising this as the "world's first x86/x64 5GHz 8-core chip?"

See above up to 5 GHz 8 cores. The architecture is implicit evidently.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Nobody is allowing AMD to cheat anything, but please call the police and don't forget to add this

and this "up to".

See above up to 5 GHz 8 cores. The architecture is implicit evidently.

The first slide is clear and accurate. The second is deceptive actually, because they hi-light both 8 cores and 5ghz, which you do not have at the same time. You can advertise 5ghz, but it is deceptive because no other cpu is advertised based on its max turbo, either from AMD or intel. Even the "up to" qualifier is not clear because it could be taken to mean all 8 cores turbo to 5 ghz, which is not true.

 

[galego]

During the presentation the first slide was what says "Introducing". That is an mere introduction and doesn't give all the details.

The details were given latter with the slide that says "SKU information". It is clearly stated which is the base clock and which is the turbo clock.

There is no "deceptive" neither "fraud" or any other nonsense like that. Move on guys, you are doing a big mountain of nothing.

 

[monstercameron]

The first slide is clear and accurate. The second is deceptive actually, because they hi-light both 8 cores and 5ghz, which you do not have at the same time. You can advertise 5ghz, but it is deceptive because no other cpu is advertised based on its max turbo, either from AMD or intel. Even the "up to" qualifier is not clear because it could be taken to mean all 8 cores turbo to 5 ghz, which is not true.

Intel advertizes their atom chips turbo...

 

[galego]

Intel advertizes their atom chips turbo...

Intel advertises many chips with their turbo frequency. For instance the 3770k is presented in a large font as a 8M Cache up to 3.90 GHz Processor

http://ark.intel.com/products/65719/

It is only when you go to the fine details in smaller font that you see the base clock of 3.4GHz. More examples

http://ark.intel.com/products/65520
http://ark.intel.com/products/52207
http://ark.intel.com/products/53450
http://ark.intel.com/products/65707
http://ark.intel.com/products/53474
http://ark.intel.com/products/65707

The latter models are particularly interesting because the difference between the base clock and the clock mentioned in the top of the page is close to 1GHz!

For instance the last link of above advertise in a large font as an up to 2.6 GHz processor, but the base clock is a mere 1.7GHz.

 

[grkM3]

Intel advertises many chips with their turbo frequency. For instance the 3770k is presented in a large font as a 8M Cache up to 3.90 GHz Processor

http://ark.intel.com/products/65719/

It is only when you go to the fine details in smaller font that you see the base clock of 3.4GHz. More examples

http://ark.intel.com/products/65520
http://ark.intel.com/products/52207
http://ark.intel.com/products/53450
http://ark.intel.com/products/65707
http://ark.intel.com/products/53474
http://ark.intel.com/products/65707

The latter models are particularly interesting because the difference between the base clock and the clock mentioned in the top of the page is close to 1GHz!

For instance the last link of above advertise in a large font as an up to 2.6 GHz processor, but the base clock is a mere 1.7GHz.

at least the 3770k will turbo on all the cores and run that speed,the way amd worded it makes people think they have an 8 core chip clocking all 8 cores to 5ghz when its fully loaded

 

[monstercameron]

at least the 3770k will turbo on all the cores and run that speed,the way amd worded it makes people think they have an 8 core chip clocking all 8 cores to 5ghz when its fully loaded

so that makes it ok in one case and not in another?

 

[NostaSeronx]

FX-9590:
Avg Clock: 4.7 GHz
Maxed Clock: 5.0 GHz
Half-Maxed Clock: 5.4 GHz

You're welcome.

 

[AtenRa]

at least the 3770k will turbo on all the cores and run that speed,the way amd worded it makes people think they have an 8 core chip clocking all 8 cores to 5ghz when its fully loaded

By default 3770K will only Turbo a single core at 3.9GHz.

 

[canadiantrex]

I recall a little over a year ago, when I was laptop shopping for the wife and myself, Best Buy was advertising almost all laptops with AMD Fusion chips by their turbo clockspeed instead of their base speed. So my 1.5ghz quad core A6-3420m was advertised on their site as a 2.4ghz quad core. Of course, I knew better than that, but I do wonder how many people were suckered in by Best Buy marketing?

Still a fun laptop chip though. The Llanos mobile chips can be overclocked with K10stat. Run all four cores at 3.0 ghz with a cooling pad, overheat the power brick and drain the battery simultaneously? :sneaky:

 

[bgt]

Nobody is allowing AMD to cheat anything, but please call the police and don't forget to add this

and this "up to".

See above up to 5 GHz 8 cores. The architecture is implicit evidently.

:thumbsup: Wow,wow...........what a fuss about AMD releasing a 5 GHz CPU😕
If they would release it I would buy it(if it is about 250 euro??). My 8350 does not have a heat problem at all, it bearly gets over 45C under load/gaming(not using Prime95 ofcourse=unrealistic).
If they are handpicked they might be real fun to use.

 

[inf64]

Biggest fuss was created by people who actually won't buy this thing (and they couldn't even if they wanted since it's not going to retail channel). First it's the "TDP" problem, then it's the price problem, after that it's "fake cores", then it's fake "Ghz marketing". I wonder what's next?

If AMD was smart they would keep this massive niche TDP product segment and introduce some crazy SR based FX with 6 modules and 4.5+Ghz next year. For retail channel with massive price. It would be funny to watch the river of tears as thing thing would probably cream Haswell-E 8C in a lot of benchmarks 🙂.

 

[galego]

:thumbsup: Wow,wow...........what a fuss about AMD releasing a 5 GHz CPU😕
If they would release it I would buy it(if it is about 250 euro??). My 8350 does not have a heat problem at all, it bearly gets over 45C under load/gaming(not using Prime95 ofcourse=unrealistic).
If they are handpicked they might be real fun to use.

Yes they are releasing this. This is the schedule

Prices are unknown.

Biggest fuss was created by people who actually won't buy this thing (and they couldn't even if they wanted since it's not going to retail channel). First it's the "TDP" problem, then it's the price problem, after that it's "fake cores", then it's fake "Ghz marketing". I wonder what's next?

Their imagination is unlimited.

 

[SocketF]

They're hand picked chips that they already have produced. What's the big deal?

Precisely or in other word: I didnt cost AMD too much. 5 Ghz at nearly no costs ...

 

[Vesku]

Hmm, galego your schedule says there were samples sent for reviewers in N. America. Where are the reviews?

 

[inf64]

Hmm, galego your schedule says there were samples sent for reviewers in N. America. Where are the reviews?

NDA not over yet?

 

[Mallibu]

If AMD was smart they would keep this massive niche TDP product segment and introduce some crazy SR based FX with 6 modules and 4.5+Ghz next year. For retail channel with massive price. It would be funny to watch the river of tears as thing thing would probably cream Haswell-E 8C in a lot of benchmarks 🙂.

It would probably consume 4x the power, and be slower in almost everything, as always. 😎
But whatever makes your bed wet.

Let's skip the "colorful" euphemisms next time
-ViRGE

 

[inf64]

No.

 

[galego]

No.

+1

 

[SlowSpyder]

Another thing to think about, if this works Intel may take note. I'm sure everyone would be pretty excited to see a 200+ watt TDP Haswell E(xtra)EE edition released! 🙂 Even if you wouldn't buy one, it'd be a fun part to read about on tech sites.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yes they are releasing this. This is the schedule

Prices are unknown.



Their imagination is unlimited.

You mean like yours, that a PS4 is better than a high end gaming PC?

 

[Chiropteran]

I do not think the existence of the piledriver based centurion cpu negates the possibility to make the same in steamroller.

Or rather: