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Shots fired at GOP Congressional baseball practice

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werepossum said:
If not for double standards, the left would have no standards at all.
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Again we find ourselves at the point where fair and balanced diverge. It would be balanced to blame the political opposition in both cases. However, it is also fair to blame the people who have been steadily advocating for political violence or at least the politicized threat of violence, and those people didn't change.

If you advocate political violence, you get criticized. Period. You don't get to hide behind your party allegiance and say it's time to hammer on those other guys when their people in actual positions of responsibility haven't been doing it.
 
zinfamous said:
I mean, you could just re-tune your memory hole back a single year, and compare the republican debates vs the democratic debates. You can compare Hillary v Trump debates.

How did that strategy work out? Sick of winning, yet?

Look, I'm not overly fond of blaming anyone but the individual that commits these crimes (hey, don't tell that to the "all Islam and all muslims are evil b/c so many terrorists," people, though), but you can't blithely ignore the decades and decades of the GOP poking the bear of their voter base, turning their rightful grievances into populist projection against minorities, foreigners, the government, and everyone but themselves. This is what Trump captured, and unleashed.

Likewise, you can't sit back comfortably defending two years of Trump and his merry band of deplorables calling liberals the great evil, advocating violence (this is undeniable. don't be a fool), threatening death upon Hillary, etc etc, and then get all angry when some psycopath reacts. Well, you can get angry. That's fair. But don't pull a fucking Alfred E Newman and demand that no one call you out on it.
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xthetenth said:
Blaming the people who state that armed resistance against a tyrannical government is necessary for someone deciding that because a government is tyrannical they should engage in armed resistance?

Well I never! Fetch the smelling salts! I must have a case of the vapors!
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senseamp said:
The problem Republicans are running into head on is they don't have consent of the governed. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, stolen SCOTUS, collusion with foreign governments, legalized corruption via Citizens United, all only get you the official levers of power, but not consent of the American people. This is why Republicans are writing their bills in secret, and passing laws that are overwhelmingly unpopular outside their base and donor complex, and hoping there is no backlash. But guess what, the Republicans are inflicting their policies on a public without the public's consent, and the public is not just accepting it. You aren't entitled to toned down rhetoric or the public's sympathy. Anything short of direct incitement to violence is fair game under the first Amendment, and just as your side has taken full advantage and whipped up the base, so can the left. If some crazies or not so crazies take it too far, that's not our problem or legal responsibility. It's on you to bring the country together by building a national consensus, not the opposition.
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kage69 said:
Someone thinks the shooter isn't to blame, the one we've established is not a repub?

You want amazing? Go look for the outcry from the right when a deranged white guy kills a cop and veteran over a yellow journalism stunt the right officially got behind.

I found it pretty amazing that some of your own right wing Southerners saw Dylan Roof's execution of 9 black church goers as an assault on religion.
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I wonder if you guys can give me straight answers to two questions:

1. Is it accurate to say that Republicans bear some blame for this shooting?

2. Would you accept that answer if the roles were reversed (republican shooter and democrat victim)?

Just yes, no, or I don't know.
 
Atreus21 said:
I wonder if you guys can give me straight answers to two questions:

1. Is it accurate to say that Republicans bear some blame for this shooting?

2. Would you accept that answer if the roles were reversed (republican shooter and democrat victim)?

Just yes, no, or I don't know.
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1. Yes.
2. Yes.
If all roles were exactly reversed, Democrats would be called Republicans, I would be a Republican, and would accept answer in 1 that Democrats are to blame.
 
All I keep thinking is how amazingly symbolic it would be if they mixed the teams tonight so it wasn't one side vs the other.

THAT would be a unity message that is sorely needed.
 
xthetenth said:
Again we find ourselves at the point where fair and balanced diverge. It would be balanced to blame the political opposition in both cases. However, it is also fair to blame the people who have been steadily advocating for political violence or at least the politicized threat of violence, and those people didn't change.

If you advocate political violence, you get criticized. Period. You don't get to hide behind your party allegiance and say it's time to hammer on those other guys when their people in actual positions of responsibility haven't been doing it.
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Take a guess a which piece of shit poster has advocated for violence against his fellow citizen? I'll give you a hint: he looks like his username, a giant rat.
 
agent00f said:
Btw, from the internet:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/a-ye...-amendment-exists-to-shoot-at-the-government/

Rand Paul evidently endorsed shooting at this colleagues, like for example when the GOP scheme to take healthcare away from millions of americans to benefit the upper crust. Can't say that's too disagreeable given those circumstances.
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I find it very disagreeable. I refuse to adopt the language of violence, one of the things that Repub propagandists have used to crazify their base for decades.
 
Atreus21 said:
I wonder if you guys can give me straight answers to two questions:

1. Is it accurate to say that Republicans bear some blame for this shooting?

2. Would you accept that answer if the roles were reversed (republican shooter and democrat victim)?

Just yes, no, or I don't know.
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That's inadequate to incorporate sufficient information.

1. Inasmuch as they have actively advocated "armed resistance" for years now, including from elected office without denouncement from the party as a whole, yes. Advocating political violence means that you bear responsibility for political violence.

2. If you can provide examples of that from the dems, absolutely! I can't think of any, and considering how flagrantly dishonest the misquotes coming out from the right are, I suspect there aren't any. When you get to the point that partisan hacks are quoting people saying "people will die" when they are talking about the outcomes of Republican actions and that's the best you can manage, that's a pretty good sign that the quote miners can't find better.

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For the curious, those quotes are about healthcare, climate change, and LBGT teen suicides. Also Caitlyn Jenner isn't even a democrat, Lester is just a portal to a realm of talking points and imagined sick burns on an imagined monolithic other.

(Okay, I'll confess that part of the reason why I'm linking right wing political comics is because Blue Max chickened out and orooorrroroorororororoororororoo is inconsistent and there's so much to mock.)
 
xthetenth said:
That's inadequate to incorporate sufficient information.

1. Inasmuch as they have actively advocated "armed resistance" for years now, including from elected office without denouncement from the party as a whole, yes. Advocating political violence means that you bear responsibility for political violence.

2. If you can provide examples of that from the dems, absolutely! I can't think of any, and considering how flagrantly dishonest the misquotes coming out from the right are, I suspect there aren't any. When you get to the point that partisan hacks are quoting people saying "people will die" when they are talking about the outcomes of Republican actions and that's the best you can manage, that's a pretty good sign that the quote miners can't find better.

jcrwf5p.jpg

For the curious, those quotes are about healthcare, climate change, and LBGT teen suicides. Also Caitlyn Jenner isn't even a democrat, Lester is just a portal to a realm of talking points and imagined sick burns on an imagined monolithic other.

(Okay, I'll confess that part of the reason why I'm linking right wing political comics is because Blue Max chickened out and orooorrroroorororororoororororoo is inconsistent and there's so much to mock.)
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Trump calls for violence, gets violence. How surprising is that?
 
Fighting the negligible violence with calls to widespread violence? Gotcha.

Jhhnn said:
Trump calls for violence, gets violence. How surprising is that?
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Trump's the culmination of a trend. But we also need to demonstrate just how disproportionate the trend is.

Where's the Dem equivalent of the guy from Mississippi calling for people who removed confederate statues to be lynched? Where's the Dem equivalent of Rand Paul tweeting what he did? Where's the candidates attacking the media?
 
xthetenth said:
Fighting the negligible violence with calls to widespread violence? Gotcha.



Trump's the culmination of a trend. But we also need to demonstrate just how disproportionate the trend is.

Where's the Dem equivalent of the guy from Mississippi calling for people who removed confederate statues to be lynched? Where's the Dem equivalent of Rand Paul tweeting what he did? Where's the candidates attacking the media?
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True, Republican office holders do this, but, like, some liberal blogger with 4 commenters are calling for the same thing, only on the other side.

BothSidesDoIt™.
 
nickqt said:
True, Republican office holders do this, but, like, some liberal blogger with 4 commenters are calling for the same thing, only on the other side.

BothSidesDoIt™.
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You haven't heard? Messages on message boards now speak for the mainstream/media/political class as their narrative!
 
xthetenth said:
If you advocate political violence, you get criticized. Period. You don't get to hide behind your party allegiance and say it's time to hammer on those other guys when their people in actual positions of responsibility haven't been doing it.
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LoL.... and there goes your American Revolution. America spends trillions funding political violence around the world. Why is it that morally acceptable or somehow less objectionable than this?
 
bshole said:
LoL.... and there goes your American Revolution. America spends trillions funding political violence around the world. Why is it that morally acceptable or somehow less objectionable than this?
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Yes the mythologized version of the Revolution that's used as a justification for political violence is utterly trash and a dangerous precedent (and a significant component of the weird right wing cult of the Founding Fathers), and our history of political violence around the world is a cautionary tale, not something to emulate.

Sounds about right.
 
xthetenth said:
Yes the mythologized version of the Revolution that's used as a justification for political violence is utterly trash and a dangerous precedent (and a significant component of the weird right wing cult of the Founding Fathers), and our history of political violence around the world is a cautionary tale, not something to emulate.

Sounds about right.
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How about the Warsaw uprising or the French resistance during WWII? What about the violent labor movement that helped give rise to the American middle class and period of greatest wealth equality? Is political violence NEVER justified?
 
werepossum said:
Trump called for violence to meet the violence the left was bringing. Jeez, you guys get testy when victims fight back.
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Victims of being born with more money than you and I will ever know?

That is rough.

Oh, you meant his followers whom he said he would pay their legal fees when they were violent, right?
 
ch33zw1z said:
FTFY
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Keep in mind that Hillary won the popular vote so maybe what you "fixed" doesn't really work as well as you might think.

I can't stand Trump in the least but some of the lefties in here have proven that they aren't nearly as averse to violence as they've claimed. Apparently it merely depends on who the violence is against.
 
werepossum said:
Trump called for violence to meet the violence the left was bringing. Jeez, you guys get testy when victims fight back.
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lol, in what fucking world and what quality of crack does it take for you to get so fucked over in the order of things like this? 😀
 
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