shotgun question

[OS]

big 5 is selling mossberg 500s this week for $220;

-home defense model, 8 shot, 20" barrel
-field model, 6 shot, 28"+18" barrel

is it worthwhile to get the field model since you can maybe dual purpose shoot clay and swap short barrel for home, or just get defense model?
it'd mainly be to keep at home, but if shooting field is fun I could get into it also.

 

[Analog]

I think your on the right track. Eight shots for home defense over six is probably not very important. Does the field model have interchangeable chokes?

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

A home intrusion can happen anywhere.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

A home intrusion can happen anywhere.

*sigh* thank you for pointing that out.

People might have taken as fact my comment that was 1 part joke and 1 part common sense evaluation of the need for home defense vs. local crime type and frequency. Now that crisis has been averted

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

A home intrusion can happen anywhere.

*sigh* thank you for pointing that out.

People might have taken as fact my comment that was 1 part joke and 1 part common sense evaluation of the need for home defense vs. local crime type and frequency. Now that crisis has been averted

Your just as likely to stop someone with a double shot over/under .22 pocket pistol. Gotta remember, big guns only look impressive when defense is concerned. The time it takes you to swing that thing and get a decent aim, he might already be on you.
Get something light, but with a kick. A 9mm will fill yet needs just fine

 

[SinfulWeeper]

oops... wrong person. lol, my post above goes to the OP

 

[OS]

I ended up getting the field version with the two barrels, the store didn't have the security/defense model. On the plus side, apparently the extra barrel is worth $75 or so on ebay. The slightly lower mag capacity sucks, but I'll probably get a side saddle.

As for how likely i need a gun, i was carjacked a couple months ago in daylight in crowded shopping center near where i live, which is supposed to be a good area. It's not so much I am expecting break ins, but if one happens, it must suck to have nothing, when a $200 gun could cover your ass.

i'll probably eventually buy a handgun also, but buying guns in CA is a pain in the ass, even more so for handguns, you have to take some stupid test, i will get a friend to walk me through it. I've shot several handguns before, but no shotguns, figure i'd get some hands on experience to see what i like.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

A home intrusion can happen anywhere.

*sigh* thank you for pointing that out.

People might have taken as fact my comment that was 1 part joke and 1 part common sense evaluation of the need for home defense vs. local crime type and frequency. Now that crisis has been averted

Your just as likely to stop someone with a double shot over/under .22 pocket pistol. Gotta remember, big guns only look impressive when defense is concerned. The time it takes you to swing that thing and get a decent aim, he might already be on you.
Get something light, but with a kick. A 9mm will fill yet needs just fine

Umm no. If I ever resort to a .22 pocket pistol then all hell has broken loose. The entire purpose is to stop an intruder/attacker IMMEDIATELY and to remove his ability to fire back. Without perfectly placed shots (almost impossible against a moving target when its the real deal) the bad guy will have the ability to return fire. Not only are not "just as likely" to stop someone with a .22 you are highly UNLIKELY to immediately stop them (thus giving them the opportunity to return fire). I know everyone on ATOT can hit a penny thrown in the air from 200 yards with a $150 .22 pistol but for the average person a .22 pistol is worthless as a defense weapon.

For most people, a 12ga. pump action shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. When using proper ammo (00 Buck) it has great knockdown power, easy operation, MUCH lower chance of missed shots penetrating walls and hurting unintended targets and its easier to aim and operate when the chips are down. I carry a .40 cal everyday. If someone breaks into my home I am going to grab my Remington 870.

As far as barrel size goes, shorter is definitely better in a home defense situation. Its easier to maneuver around corners and through doorways. Am I reading your post right that the field model w/ an additional 18" bbl is the same price as the home defense model? If so I would definitely do that route. You can get magazine extensions if your worried about the capacity, but 6 shots with a cheap side saddle should be plenty. Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

BTW, since when is a 9mm considered a "gun with a kick"?

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

A home intrusion can happen anywhere.

*sigh* thank you for pointing that out.

People might have taken as fact my comment that was 1 part joke and 1 part common sense evaluation of the need for home defense vs. local crime type and frequency. Now that crisis has been averted

Your just as likely to stop someone with a double shot over/under .22 pocket pistol. Gotta remember, big guns only look impressive when defense is concerned. The time it takes you to swing that thing and get a decent aim, he might already be on you.
Get something light, but with a kick. A 9mm will fill yet needs just fine

Umm no. If I ever resort to a .22 pocket pistol then all hell has broken loose. The entire purpose is to stop an intruder/attacker IMMEDIATELY and to remove his ability to fire back. Without perfectly placed shots (almost impossible against a moving target when its the real deal) the bad guy will have the ability to return fire. Not only are not "just as likely" to stop someone with a .22 you are highly UNLIKELY to immediately stop them (thus giving them the opportunity to return fire). I know everyone on ATOT can hit a penny thrown in the air from 200 yards with a $150 .22 pistol but for the average person a .22 pistol is worthless as a defense weapon.

For most people, a 12ga. pump action shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. When using proper ammo (00 Buck) it has great knockdown power, easy operation, MUCH lower chance of missed shots penetrating walls and hurting unintended targets and its easier to aim and operate when the chips are down. I carry a .40 cal everyday. If someone breaks into my home I am going to grab my Remington 870.

As far as barrel size goes, shorter is definitely better in a home defense situation. Its easier to maneuver around corners and through doorways. Am I reading your post right that the field model w/ an additional 18" bbl is the same price as the home defense model? If so I would definitely do that route. You can get magazine extensions if your worried about the capacity, but 6 shots with a cheap side saddle should be plenty. Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

BTW, since when is a 9mm considered a "gun with a kick"?

Does he mean recoil, because it definitely has nice recoil. not as much as a .45 but still noticeable recoil.

He could mean strength of the round, in which case, 9mm is just fine.

I don't know what else he could mean or what you could mean ins aying it doesn't.

 

[AMCRambler]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

A home intrusion can happen anywhere.

*sigh* thank you for pointing that out.

People might have taken as fact my comment that was 1 part joke and 1 part common sense evaluation of the need for home defense vs. local crime type and frequency. Now that crisis has been averted

Your just as likely to stop someone with a double shot over/under .22 pocket pistol. Gotta remember, big guns only look impressive when defense is concerned. The time it takes you to swing that thing and get a decent aim, he might already be on you.
Get something light, but with a kick. A 9mm will fill yet needs just fine

Umm no. If I ever resort to a .22 pocket pistol then all hell has broken loose. The entire purpose is to stop an intruder/attacker IMMEDIATELY and to remove his ability to fire back. Without perfectly placed shots (almost impossible against a moving target when its the real deal) the bad guy will have the ability to return fire. Not only are not "just as likely" to stop someone with a .22 you are highly UNLIKELY to immediately stop them (thus giving them the opportunity to return fire). I know everyone on ATOT can hit a penny thrown in the air from 200 yards with a $150 .22 pistol but for the average person a .22 pistol is worthless as a defense weapon.

For most people, a 12ga. pump action shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. When using proper ammo (00 Buck) it has great knockdown power, easy operation, MUCH lower chance of missed shots penetrating walls and hurting unintended targets and its easier to aim and operate when the chips are down. I carry a .40 cal everyday. If someone breaks into my home I am going to grab my Remington 870.

As far as barrel size goes, shorter is definitely better in a home defense situation. Its easier to maneuver around corners and through doorways. Am I reading your post right that the field model w/ an additional 18" bbl is the same price as the home defense model? If so I would definitely do that route. You can get magazine extensions if your worried about the capacity, but 6 shots with a cheap side saddle should be plenty. Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

BTW, since when is a 9mm considered a "gun with a kick"?

Bah. Quit using those FMJ NATO rounds and you'll knock the sucka down with a nine!

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

A home intrusion can happen anywhere.

*sigh* thank you for pointing that out.

People might have taken as fact my comment that was 1 part joke and 1 part common sense evaluation of the need for home defense vs. local crime type and frequency. Now that crisis has been averted

Your just as likely to stop someone with a double shot over/under .22 pocket pistol. Gotta remember, big guns only look impressive when defense is concerned. The time it takes you to swing that thing and get a decent aim, he might already be on you.
Get something light, but with a kick. A 9mm will fill yet needs just fine

Umm no. If I ever resort to a .22 pocket pistol then all hell has broken loose. The entire purpose is to stop an intruder/attacker IMMEDIATELY and to remove his ability to fire back. Without perfectly placed shots (almost impossible against a moving target when its the real deal) the bad guy will have the ability to return fire. Not only are not "just as likely" to stop someone with a .22 you are highly UNLIKELY to immediately stop them (thus giving them the opportunity to return fire). I know everyone on ATOT can hit a penny thrown in the air from 200 yards with a $150 .22 pistol but for the average person a .22 pistol is worthless as a defense weapon.

For most people, a 12ga. pump action shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. When using proper ammo (00 Buck) it has great knockdown power, easy operation, MUCH lower chance of missed shots penetrating walls and hurting unintended targets and its easier to aim and operate when the chips are down. I carry a .40 cal everyday. If someone breaks into my home I am going to grab my Remington 870.

As far as barrel size goes, shorter is definitely better in a home defense situation. Its easier to maneuver around corners and through doorways. Am I reading your post right that the field model w/ an additional 18" bbl is the same price as the home defense model? If so I would definitely do that route. You can get magazine extensions if your worried about the capacity, but 6 shots with a cheap side saddle should be plenty. Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

BTW, since when is a 9mm considered a "gun with a kick"?

Well a standard sized 9mm doesn't have much recoil to it, my new Kel-tec pf9 sure has some, but that's also because it is a super light gun.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

A home intrusion can happen anywhere.

*sigh* thank you for pointing that out.

People might have taken as fact my comment that was 1 part joke and 1 part common sense evaluation of the need for home defense vs. local crime type and frequency. Now that crisis has been averted

Your just as likely to stop someone with a double shot over/under .22 pocket pistol. Gotta remember, big guns only look impressive when defense is concerned. The time it takes you to swing that thing and get a decent aim, he might already be on you.
Get something light, but with a kick. A 9mm will fill yet needs just fine

Umm no. If I ever resort to a .22 pocket pistol then all hell has broken loose. The entire purpose is to stop an intruder/attacker IMMEDIATELY and to remove his ability to fire back. Without perfectly placed shots (almost impossible against a moving target when its the real deal) the bad guy will have the ability to return fire. Not only are not "just as likely" to stop someone with a .22 you are highly UNLIKELY to immediately stop them (thus giving them the opportunity to return fire). I know everyone on ATOT can hit a penny thrown in the air from 200 yards with a $150 .22 pistol but for the average person a .22 pistol is worthless as a defense weapon.

For most people, a 12ga. pump action shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. When using proper ammo (00 Buck) it has great knockdown power, easy operation, MUCH lower chance of missed shots penetrating walls and hurting unintended targets and its easier to aim and operate when the chips are down. I carry a .40 cal everyday. If someone breaks into my home I am going to grab my Remington 870.

As far as barrel size goes, shorter is definitely better in a home defense situation. Its easier to maneuver around corners and through doorways. Am I reading your post right that the field model w/ an additional 18" bbl is the same price as the home defense model? If so I would definitely do that route. You can get magazine extensions if your worried about the capacity, but 6 shots with a cheap side saddle should be plenty. Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

BTW, since when is a 9mm considered a "gun with a kick"?

Glad to see someone mentioned that :thumbsup:

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Don't you mean 7? (serious)

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

QFT. I have a 12 gauge Winchester 1200 and I haven't shot it in years. I much prefer my Beretta 20 gauge O/U shotgun.

Get the field model.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

Or just do what I do and get a Beta-C mag for the AR, then you have 100 rounds of justice ready to go.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: OS

I ended up getting the field version with the two barrels, the store didn't have the security/defense model. On the plus side, apparently the extra barrel is worth $75 or so on ebay. The slightly lower mag capacity sucks, but I'll probably get a side saddle.

As for how likely i need a gun, i was carjacked a couple months ago in daylight in crowded shopping center near where i live, which is supposed to be a good area. It's not so much I am expecting break ins, but if one happens, it must suck to have nothing, when a $200 gun could cover your ass.

i'll probably eventually buy a handgun also, but buying guns in CA is a pain in the ass, even more so for handguns, you have to take some stupid test, i will get a friend to walk me through it. I've shot several handguns before, but no shotguns, figure i'd get some hands on experience to see what i like.

The test is just so the state can milk you for $20. It's a complete waste of time and it is painfully easy. Read through the guide they give you, which should take about 5 minutes and you will pass it easily. It's not difficult to buy handguns in CA. I've bought plenty of them over the years. The biggest pain in the ass is the 15 day waiting period...it might be 10 days now though, I can't remember.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

Or just do what I do and get a Beta-C mag for the AR, then you have 100 rounds of justice ready to go.

lol.....because home invaders usually come in platoon strength?

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

Or just do what I do and get a Beta-C mag for the AR, then you have 100 rounds of justice ready to go.

lol.....because home invaders usually come in platoon strength?

One can never be too prepared right?

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

Or just do what I do and get a Beta-C mag for the AR, then you have 100 rounds of justice ready to go.

lol.....because home invaders usually come in platoon strength?

Zombies is what I am preparing for. I figure if I am ready for zombies, I am ready for anything

I am not going to be stuck in no mall.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

Or just do what I do and get a Beta-C mag for the AR, then you have 100 rounds of justice ready to go.

lol.....because home invaders usually come in platoon strength?

One can never be too prepared right?

I do suppose I have no room to talk though.

Within 3 feet of my bed I used to have 3 pistols, a 12ga shotgun, and a FAL w/30 round mag....

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

Or just do what I do and get a Beta-C mag for the AR, then you have 100 rounds of justice ready to go.

lol.....because home invaders usually come in platoon strength?

One can never be too prepared right?

I do suppose I have no room to talk though.

Within 3 feet of my bed I used to have 3 pistols, a 12ga shotgun, and a FAL w/30 round mag....

Damn, you beat me.

1 pistol, 1 AR, Cold Steel knife and a big arse heavy water fountain thing. I figure it it comes down to throwing the big heavy water fountain I'm goood n screwed anyways, but damnit its there!

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

Or just do what I do and get a Beta-C mag for the AR, then you have 100 rounds of justice ready to go.

lol.....because home invaders usually come in platoon strength?

Zombies is what I am preparing for. I figure if I am ready for zombies, I am ready for anything

I am not going to be stuck in no mall.

For zombies I'd want something a tad more reliable than an AR. They can jam at just the worst times.

Galil ARM w/AR mag adapter + Beta-C FTW

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Don't you mean 7? (serious)

Some people don't like to leave a round in the chamber. Personally, I have a round chambered in mine but to each their own. It takes almost no time to chamber a round in a pump action 12 ga. My biggest issue is I don't want the bad guy to hear me coming.

So its either 6+1 or 6.