shotgun question

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Even without the short barrel the field model is still a decent enough home defense gun imo. I'd go with the field model. I'm not a big fan of shotguns for home defense weapons anyway but that's just me.

Besides, if you really feel you need a home defense shotgun that badly I think it's more likely that a move is really what you need

A home intrusion can happen anywhere.

*sigh* thank you for pointing that out.

People might have taken as fact my comment that was 1 part joke and 1 part common sense evaluation of the need for home defense vs. local crime type and frequency. Now that crisis has been averted

Your just as likely to stop someone with a double shot over/under .22 pocket pistol. Gotta remember, big guns only look impressive when defense is concerned. The time it takes you to swing that thing and get a decent aim, he might already be on you.
Get something light, but with a kick. A 9mm will fill yet needs just fine

Umm no. If I ever resort to a .22 pocket pistol then all hell has broken loose. The entire purpose is to stop an intruder/attacker IMMEDIATELY and to remove his ability to fire back. Without perfectly placed shots (almost impossible against a moving target when its the real deal) the bad guy will have the ability to return fire. Not only are not "just as likely" to stop someone with a .22 you are highly UNLIKELY to immediately stop them (thus giving them the opportunity to return fire). I know everyone on ATOT can hit a penny thrown in the air from 200 yards with a $150 .22 pistol but for the average person a .22 pistol is worthless as a defense weapon.

For most people, a 12ga. pump action shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. When using proper ammo (00 Buck) it has great knockdown power, easy operation, MUCH lower chance of missed shots penetrating walls and hurting unintended targets and its easier to aim and operate when the chips are down. I carry a .40 cal everyday. If someone breaks into my home I am going to grab my Remington 870.

As far as barrel size goes, shorter is definitely better in a home defense situation. Its easier to maneuver around corners and through doorways. Am I reading your post right that the field model w/ an additional 18" bbl is the same price as the home defense model? If so I would definitely do that route. You can get magazine extensions if your worried about the capacity, but 6 shots with a cheap side saddle should be plenty. Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

BTW, since when is a 9mm considered a "gun with a kick"?

Bah. Quit using those FMJ NATO rounds and you'll knock the sucka down with a nine!

I didn't say you couldn't although I still prefer the additional power of my .40 while taking only a very minimal loss in capacity.

It was the whole "get a weapon with some kick" statement. While a 9mm does have a slight recoil I wouldn't exactly say it has a "kick".

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

Or just do what I do and get a Beta-C mag for the AR, then you have 100 rounds of justice ready to go.

I prefer claymores. Sure they are messy but quite effective.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Yep, it means it not 1 guy lookin to rob you its a group lookin to kill you.

30 round mags on the AR make sure its gonna need to be a big group to win though.

Or just do what I do and get a Beta-C mag for the AR, then you have 100 rounds of justice ready to go.

lol.....because home invaders usually come in platoon strength?

One can never be too prepared right?

I do suppose I have no room to talk though.

Within 3 feet of my bed I used to have 3 pistols, a 12ga shotgun, and a FAL w/30 round mag....

Damn, you beat me.

1 pistol, 1 AR, Cold Steel knife and a big arse heavy water fountain thing. I figure it it comes down to throwing the big heavy water fountain I'm goood n screwed anyways, but damnit its there!

I keep a S&W model 629 .44 Magnum in the closet with 6 rounds in a speedloader nearby. I figure my dog will give me enough warning to get the gun and load it.

 

[BuckNaked]

I hope you live in a studio apartment with no corners... the thought of 'clearing' a house with a 28" barreled shotgun, I don't know if I want to laugh or cringe at the thought...

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
I hope you live in a studio apartment with no corners... the thought of 'clearing' a house with a 28" barreled shotgun, I don't know if I want to laugh or cringe at the thought...

You might want to reread the original post.

 

[FoBoT]

i would buy both, you can't have too many shotguns

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
I hope you live in a studio apartment with no corners... the thought of 'clearing' a house with a 28" barreled shotgun, I don't know if I want to laugh or cringe at the thought...

You might want to reread the original post.

I saw he mentioned selling one of the barrels, and thought he mentioned he was going to sell the shorter barrel, but I must have misread the post or just wasn't paying attention... my mistake.

ETA:

As for shell capacity, you can buy mag extension tubes that can up the capacity... and I would also recommend replacing the follower with a high visibility follower for about $5.

You might also consider a light. I have dedicated lights for both my AR and my Benelli, along with hand held lights. A SF G2 is relatively cheap but effective.

Take some classes... hopefully you will never need to deploy a firearm in a threat environment, but if you do its not the time to fumble with something because you have never trained in a stressful environment.

Dave

 

[OS]

well obviously i'd sell the longer one if i was gonna sell one. I'll keep them both at first though.

 

[JDMnAR1]

FYI - magazine tube extensions on a Mossberg 500 aren't the simple swap that some posters are making it out to be, unless Mossberg has redesigned the 500 recently. Since their design doesn't incorporate a ring on the barrel that encircles the magazine tube, but has a screw cap attached to the barrel, you can only replacte the tube if you also replace the barrel with one that has the fastener at the appropriate location on the barrel to match up with the tube. Besides as has already been mentioned, if 6 shots of 00 buck isn't enough you have worse problems.

Edit: And you should keep both barrels, IMO. While I don't generally use my 500 in the field, it is nice to have that ability if I have a guest joining me who doesn't have a shotgun of his own, or if I just want to have a spare with me.

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: JDMnAR1
FYI - magazine tube extensions on a Mossberg 500 aren't the simple swap that some posters are making it out to be, unless Mossberg has redesigned the 500 recently. Since their design doesn't incorporate a ring on the barrel that encircles the magazine tube, but has a screw cap attached to the barrel, you can only replacte the tube if you also replace the barrel with one that has the fastener at the appropriate location on the barrel to match up with the tube. Besides as has already been mentioned, if 6 shots of 00 buck isn't enough you have worse problems.

Edit: And you should keep both barrels, IMO. While I don't generally use my 500 in the field, it is nice to have that ability if I have a guest joining me who doesn't have a shotgun of his own, or if I just want to have a spare with me.

You are correct about the mag extension... I did a search at midwayusa for mossberg 500 before posting, and got this... link didn't realize there was a 5500 also...

I am out of this thread, I am giving more bad info than good...

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Buck_Naked
I hope you live in a studio apartment with no corners... the thought of 'clearing' a house with a 28" barreled shotgun, I don't know if I want to laugh or cringe at the thought...

My instructor told me the worst thing to do is in a self defense situation to try and "clear the house" which basically means seek out the intruder. You want to stay put and wait for the intruder comes to you. This he says for both legal reasons and self-preservation reasons

Me I got a XD45, AR15 and a semi-automatic shotgun within reach. I'll usually reach for the AR15 since I can operate that thing in the dark no problem... the XD45 is still very new so I am still getting the hang of it.

 

[BuckNaked]

To try and save a little face... here is a short video from a recent 3 gun match... Shotgun is my least favorite, and I flubbed releasing the safety prior to engaging the target on the first round.

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I consider myself to be the most proficient with the carbine, but the filming started as I finished the carbine portion of the shoot... as you can see the target was a mover, and I can at least say every shot fired was a 'b zone' hit or better...

 

[OS]

are heatshields pretty much only cosmetic?

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Don't you mean 7? (serious)

Some people don't like to leave a round in the chamber. Personally, I have a round chambered in mine but to each their own. It takes almost no time to chamber a round in a pump action 12 ga. My biggest issue is I don't want the bad guy to hear me coming.

So its either 6+1 or 6.

Yeah, my same theory. Silence is golden.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: OS
are heatshields pretty much only cosmetic?

For a lot of people they are. If you plan to shoot a good bit at one time then they can protect against some nasty burns. Some come with ghost ring sights as well.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: OS

As for how likely i need a gun, i was carjacked a couple months ago in daylight in crowded shopping center near where i live, which is supposed to be a good area. It's not so much I am expecting break ins, but if one happens, it must suck to have nothing, when a $200 gun could cover your ass.

ive always wondered why people think like this... why would a criminal go to a place he knows people have nothing to rob? id be in those "good" neighborhoods too.

sometimes nothing is better than a person with a gun that doesnt know how to use it. also, mot of the time ive been in a situation where a gun would have been handy, the situation i over in the time the gun would have been pulled. i carry a 9mm and it seems to keep people polite. ive been face to face with people that wanted my stuffz when i wasnt carrying it tho, and thats why im glad ive learned a bit of hand to hand a well. gotta be rounded, dont put all your life eggs in one gun basket.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Darwin333
Something has seriously gone wrong if you fire 6 shots with a 12ga. and still need more.

Don't you mean 7? (serious)

Some people don't like to leave a round in the chamber. Personally, I have a round chambered in mine but to each their own. It takes almost no time to chamber a round in a pump action 12 ga. My biggest issue is I don't want the bad guy to hear me coming.

So its either 6+1 or 6.

Yeah, my same theory. Silence is golden.

Absolutely. In the next month or so I want to put a nice flashlight (with the switch on the foreend) on my shotgun. Its most likely I would have to use it at night and along with the obvious advantages, being able to temporarily blind the bad guy is a good thing.

 

[Kelvrick]

Just to throw in my 2 cents, but I'm a fan of #4 or #1 buckshot over , 0, 00, or 000. Take a look at this link with balistics gel.

If you need more then even 2, or even the first shot, you're already in big trouble, so the extra capacity shouldn't worry you much.

 

[tfinch2]

When the bad guys come, this is what I'll reach for.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/tfinch2/moss-folded.jpg
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/tfinch2/moss-long.jpg

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Just to throw in my 2 cents, but I'm a fan of #4 or #1 buckshot over , 0, 00, or 000. Take a look at this link with balistics gel.

If you need more then even 2, or even the first shot, you're already in big trouble, so the extra capacity shouldn't worry you much.

Thanks for the link!

 

[OS]

shotgun.jpg

alright so the gun is here, i have not shot it yet

regarding ammo, buckshot in general seems hard to find, expensive and mostly sold in small amounts, why?

also, is it ok to just practice with birdshot then, and then what size is best for this.

 

[OS]

help

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: OS
shotgun.jpg

alright so the gun is here, i have not shot it yet

regarding ammo, buckshot in general seems hard to find, expensive and mostly sold in small amounts, why?

also, is it ok to just practice with birdshot then, and then what size is best for this.

I have no idea why you can't seem to find buckshot.

Try here:

http://ammunitiontogo.com/catalog/index.php

I find they have the best prices on the SD loads. For practice, as with handguns, you should go through your self defense loads to see how they fit you. As I said, I'm a fan of #4 or #1 buckshot. Otherwise, for clays and fun, I just get #7 or 8 target/bird loads wherever theyr'e cheap. Since its a pump, you don't have to worry about the gun not cycling with certain loads. I find walmart has the best deals in their 250 boxes of winchester whiteboxes for like 37 bucks.

EDIT: Self defense rounds always tend to cost more then practice rounds. You want quality stuff when your life is on the line, don't you? JHP tend to cost like twice as much as a FMJ round.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: OS
shotgun.jpg

alright so the gun is here, i have not shot it yet

regarding ammo, buckshot in general seems hard to find, expensive and mostly sold in small amounts, why?

also, is it ok to just practice with birdshot then, and then what size is best for this.

Practice with cheap target ammo / birdshot. You should be able to get a case (250 rounds, IIRC) for under 50 bucks. The shot size doesn't really matter if you're just familiarizing yourself with the gun.

 

[OS]

i took it to a shooting park yesterday and i shot slugs, buckshot and birdshot at the pistol range and then swapped the barrel to shoot clays, it was fun even if my shoulder is smashed up, everyone should have a shotgun.

 

[mattocs]

Get the field model. With some buckshot, I don't think you'll have to shoot more than once to stop an intruder.