shooting at quebec city mosque, 5 reported dead

[desura]

This guy looks like the prototypical alt-right guy: kinda nerdy, europhile, awkward, probably a male virgin.

 

[greatnoob]

This guy looks like the prototypical alt-right guy: kinda nerdy, europhile, awkward, probably a male virgin.

Studying political science at uni? Negative, alt-right = against all forms of education.

He was your average Canadian Republican who so happens to support Trump!

 

[Jaskalas]

Didn't you see already he is mentally ill therefore it isn't an issue for the right. White guy shooting up a mosque is not a terrorist.

There's an issue to argue over delineation. What constitutes terrorism? Group organization, active participation, logistical, financial support, planning, ideology, inspiration? Casual association (same office, same school, same place of worship?) Or just named by the suspect as a simple excuse? I'd say terrorism requires a serious crime, a political goal, and a level of organization. Although that last point might rule out lone wolves. But if not for organization, what separates terrorism from any old hate crime?

 

[Bitek]

Yet you posted these tags in your repost of this story.

That's just ignorant.

Tags:

• far right
• hate
• racism
• terrorism
• trump

Turns out he nailed it..

 

[Vic]

There's an issue to argue over delineation. What constitutes terrorism? Group organization, active participation, logistical, financial support, planning, ideology, inspiration? Casual association (same office, same school, same place of worship?) Or just named by the suspect as a simple excuse? I'd say terrorism requires a serious crime, a political goal, and a level of organization. Although that last point might rule out lone wolves. But if not for organization, what separates terrorism from any old hate crime?

The serious crime and the political goal both seem apparent here. The organization, it could be argued, is the social media.

 

[Bitek]

So the Rs will ban whole countries based on vague notions of terrorism...

yet a white wing troll murders Muslims suddenly they become lawyers debating the nuances of definitions, and arm chair phycologists diagnosing mental illness.

Yup. Alternative facts.

 

[HomerJS]

Another prediction. Trump who is quick to denounce terrorist attacks in other countries will not label this as such.

 

[sdifox]

I think of this more as hate crime than terrorism. I don't particularly like how everything is labelled terrorism.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Another prediction. Trump who is quick to denounce terrorist attacks in other countries will not label this as such.

They went further than that. Spicer said it was an example of why the Muslim ban was needed. Apparently so they can't be slaughtered by white people.

#alternativefacts.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Down to a single shooter, who is clearly mentally ill, and definitely not foreign nor Muslim.

Seems more like insanity or individual hate crime than terrorist group. Terrorist inspired? Eh... if he has known contacts and logistical / finical support... otherwise I'd have to go with inspired at best. By who would be an interesting question to have answered.

Clearly mentally ill, eh? Clearly you say. And just how clearly is that and how did you discover this?

 

[HomerJS]

I think of this more as hate crime than terrorism. I don't particularly like how everything is labelled terrorism.

What is your definition of terrorism.

 

[desura]

What is your definition of terrorism.

It is a murder meant to affect political policy.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I think of this more as hate crime than terrorism. I don't particularly like how everything is labelled terrorism.

If it was a lone wolf Muslim, it would be labeled as a terrorist attack b/c they're supporting ISIS. From what we know so far, this person was a Trump supporter and we know what Trump and his supporters think of Muslims. Even the PM of Canada has called it terrorism.

 

[sdifox]

What is your definition of terrorism.

Attacking civilians in order to modify the behaviour of the target country towards achieving the terrorist's political goal.

 

[sdifox]

If it was a lone wolf Muslim, it would be labeled as a terrorist attack b/c they're supporting ISIS. From what we know so far, this person was a Trump supporter and we know what Trump and his supporters think of Muslims. Even the PM of Canada has called it terrorism.

Like I said, I don't like how fast everything gets labelled terrorism so quickly.

 

[Blackjack200]

Whos side do you think he is on?

Huh? He was criticizing Spicer for using a white nationalist attack on a mosque to justify the Muslim ban, so in my view he was on the right side of this one. What are you talking about?

 

[norseamd]

Huh? He was criticizing Spicer for using a white nationalist attack on a mosque to justify the Muslim ban, so in my view he was on the right side of this one. What are you talking about?

Well some basic searching has come up with quite a few articles that are potentially worth reading. Not promising any quality assurances for any of the articles.

https://pulsemedia.org/2016/10/28/sympathy-for-the-devil-exorcising-greenwald-and-assad/

http://quillette.com/2015/12/19/glenn-greenwald-fascisms-fellow-traveller/

https://notanetwork2015.wordpress.c...ist-support-of-russian-intervention-in-syria/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nikolas-kozloff/a-tale-of-ukraine-crimea_b_5060692.html

http://www.breitbartunmasked.com/2016/06/27/your-revolution-is-just-not-as-cool-as-glenn-greenwalds/

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/15/12853236/glenn-greenwald-trump-clinton

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/27/russia-bombs-hospitals-lefties-shrug.html

 

[norseamd]

Like I said, I don't like how fast everything gets labelled terrorism so quickly.

Effectively terrorism has become a byword for any mass violence attacks, which this clearly was.

 

[sdifox]

Effectively terrorism has become a byword for any mass violence attacks, which this clearly was.

Mass killing <> terrorist attack. I don't care for sensationalism

 

[HamburgerBoy]

If it was politically motivated (and it almost certainly was), I don't see anything wrong with calling it terrorism. It wasn't an indiscriminate mass shooting like you get at high schools, it was an obvious political/religious attack with political/religious motive, almost certainly intended to frighten said target.

 

[bozack]

thought the lefties kept saying that strict gun control would stop this?

 

[Victorian Gray]

thought the lefties kept saying that strict gun control would stop this?

Hey kids! Check it out. A gigantic asshole on the interwebs.

 

[sdifox]

If it was politically motivated (and it almost certainly was), I don't see anything wrong with calling it terrorism. It wasn't an indiscriminate mass shooting like you get at high schools, it was an obvious political/religious attack with political/religious motive, almost certainly intended to frighten said target.

Maybe he is part of a terrorist cell, maybe not. Maybe he is just emboldened by the election of Donald Trump. We just don't know enough yet.

 

[bozack]

Hey kids! Check it out. A gigantic asshole on the interwebs.

wow, you got me.

Like I said, where are all of the pro gun control folks praising how well strict regulations worked to prevent this tragedy.....oh wait.

 

[norseamd]

thought the lefties kept saying that strict gun control would stop this?

No, only dumb lefties thought gun bans would stop this. And yes I said gun bans, thats what crazy lefties want. Just like how crazy righties want Muslim bans and LGBT bans and even if they wont say it now they also want asian bans, black bans, atheist bans, and infinite other bans.