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Shooting at art festival in Texas

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MongGrel said:
Terrorist trolling/baiting must be a new game in Texas, start a intentionally provocative "Art" comtest, hire 40 or so cops and SWAT guys, and see if anyone shows up to retaliate.

Someone should be charged for even being allowed to do that IMHO, what if those guys had made it inside the place and went on a spree.

Was a bit of reckless endangerment I'd think, but that's just me maybe, they were trying to intentionally get a rise out of someone.

Surprised it was allowed to happen to begin with.
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It's worse than that. It's trying to get people killed. What Geller really wants is a war against Islam, so she'll skirt the law as closely as possible trying to create incidents like this.

She's on a self glorifying Mission from God, a God full of hate & vengeance. To think that she & here friends bear no responsibility for the deaths of these two greater sinners is to ignore the fact that it's what Geller et al wanted & worked to achieve.

I don't question her right to do so. I question her morality, her values & her sense of decency.
 
marincounty said:
Just think what would happen in Texas if I were to announce the creation of a huge "Socialist Abortion Center" to be located in Texas. And got a ton of publicity about it.
Want to bet whether it would be attacked by gun-toting Americans?
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Oh no, not another bet, I already lost the last one in this thread. Double or nothing?
 
Jhhnn said:
It's worse than that. It's trying to get people killed. What Geller really wants is a war against Islam, so she'll skirt the law as closely as possible trying to create incidents like this.

She's on a self glorifying Mission from God, a God full of hate & vengeance. To think that she & here friends bear no responsibility for the deaths of these two greater sinners is to ignore the fact that it's what Geller et al wanted & worked to achieve.

I don't question her right to do so. I question her morality, her values & her sense of decency.
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Well said
 
Jhhnn said:
It's worse than that. It's trying to get people killed. What Geller really wants is a war against Islam, so she'll skirt the law as closely as possible trying to create incidents like this.

She's on a self glorifying Mission from God, a God full of hate & vengeance. To think that she & here friends bear no responsibility for the deaths of these two greater sinners is to ignore the fact that it's what Geller et al wanted & worked to achieve.

I don't question her right to do so. I question her morality, her values & her sense of decency.
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:thumbsup:

Was what I was trying to point out, she does seem a bit rabid.

NPR had an interview with the Mayor about how integrated and diverse that area was to begin with and didn't condone those type of things in general, why they could allow out of state people to go there, stage that, and hire off duty cops to do that beyond me.

There is a serious moral/ethical issue on what she was trying to accomplish there to begin with.
 
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TechBoyJK said:
BOOM HEADSHOT

That said.. where they headshots?
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The religitards were wearing bullet proof vests, so yes they were.

Then a few hours later, the first robot lost a tire and broke down near the front of the jihadist's car, then the next robot to approach the front of the car suddenly turned around and jumped a curb for no apparent reason and flipped over putting it out of commission. So then they finally decided to use a couple of different robots tethered to what looked like a mile long electrical cord to get the job done and secure the crime scene.

And they laid in the street like rabid dead dogs all night long, until the sun came up the next morning, because the cops were afraid they might be booby trapped and couldn't get a good look at the crime scene at night. And the street was soaked in their failed jihadist blood.
 
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The stupidest part was we'll see more of this shit in the near future I guess.

Anarchy might be in the near future between Baltimore and shit like this.
 
realibrad said:
Do you really mean that? It is illegal to kill someone for their speech. You can say things back, but you cannot attack someone. The law absolutely protects people insofar that it is illegal to attack someone for speech through any means other than speech.

I think what you mean to say is that the government cannot do anything to you based on your speech, but the public can do some things. If you say fuck you to the government, they still have to provide all services to you. If you say fuck you to a shop owner, the owner can refuse service to you. The shop owner cannot shoot you for your speech though.
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Well said.

FerrelGeek said:
Not if the person saying it is gay.
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Nope. Gay people must be treated just like anyone else; if they are abusive, they need not be served. You just can't consider them abusive simply for existing.

drebo said:
My point is that there is nothing in any US law or agreement that guarantees anyone a freedom from being offended.

The onus is on the person who was offended to deal with it on their own. They do not get the right to murder the person who is offending them.
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Bingo. There is and should be no right to not be offended. It's also worth pointing out that a lot of the same people calling out Gellar for doing this not only support similarly denigrating things against Christianity, but demand that it be publicly subsidized. Not many people would pay to see an "artist" put a crucifix or a portrait of the Pope in a jar of urine, so our proggies arrange to have such shows subsidized with public money. Yet conservative Christians aren't against it existing, merely against subsidizing it with public money. We don't ask you to subsidize black velvet portraits of Elvis together with Jesus; we'd appreciate the same consideration regarding the left's bad art. And we certainly aren't killing people over it.
 
MongGrel said:
:thumbsup:

Was what I was trying to point out, she does seem a bit rabid.

NPR had an interview with the Mayor about how integrated and diverse that area was to begin with and didn't condone those type of things in general, why they could allow out of state people to go there, stage that, and hire off duty cops to do that beyond me.

There is a serious moral/ethical issue on what she was trying to accomplish there to begin with.
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For the most part, most of Garland has gone downhill fast. One day 35 or so years ago there was a local radio DJ broadcasting from the nearby Town East mall in Mesquite for some stupid radio promotion who was going on about how Garland was the asshole of Texas for some reason that I don't recall now. The public outcry was so great he got fired over it. Now try to imagine what it's like 35 years later, where most of it looks like an apartment ghetto with homeless looking people walking all over the place day and night and begging for handouts or a ride to somewhere. I won't even stop for gas or anything else there anymore, it's that bad in most places.
 
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Implicit in the statements by some of you is a lack of deference to what the freedom of speech means. It plainly holds no meaning unless the speech is offensive to somebody. That is entirely its point. I see an empathy toward violence over speech, and that says that deep down you find it, at times, prudent to respond to speech with violence.

"What these guys did was wrong, but"

Many of this nation's laws are not just and have only a semblance to decency, but defending via law the right of a person to say damn near anything without it being legal to respond in violence is one of the essential and most important laws there is.

You act like a bunch of little bitches when you add the "wrong, but". If you don't like an art show somebody has on, don't fucking go to it.

Or are we all charlie hebdo until it's real? Apparently a lot of those so called cowardly french are braver than a lot of americans after all. They got shot to shit and released another issue with muhammed right on the front.
 
SlickSnake said:
For the most part, most of Garland has gone downhill fast. One day 35 or so years ago there was a local radio DJ broadcasting from the nearby Town East mall in Mesquite for some stupid radio promotion who was going on about how Garland was the asshole of Texas for some reason that I don't recall now. The public outcry was so great he got fired over it. Now try to imagine what it's like 35 years later, where most of it looks like an apartment ghetto with homeless looking people walking all over the place day and night and begging for handouts or a ride to somewhere. I won't even stop for gas or anything else there anymore, it's that bad in most places.
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I have no idea.

I'll not vacation there I guess.
 
Blanky said:
Implicit in the statements by some of you is a lack of deference to what the freedom of speech means. It plainly holds no meaning unless the speech is offensive to somebody. That is entirely its point. I see an empathy toward violence over speech, and that says that deep down you find it, at times, prudent to respond to speech with violence.

"What these guys did was wrong, but"

Many of this nation's laws are not just and have only a semblance to decency, but defending via law the right of a person to say damn near anything without it being legal to respond in violence is one of the essential and most important laws there is.

You act like a bunch of little bitches when you add the "wrong, but". If you don't like an art show somebody has on, don't fucking go to it.

Or are we all charlie hebdo until it's real? Apparently a lot of those so called cowardly french are braver than a lot of americans after all. They got shot to shit and released another issue with muhammed right on the front.
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I couldn't have said it better. Freedom of speech, the right to express oneself is not there to protect popular speech or speech that is "politically correct".
 
MongGrel said:
So you're equating a random "art contest" to a medical choice.

Something seems a bit skewed there, I can see your point to a certain extent.

Seems a bit out of context.
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Out of context sure, but it follows the same logic. Its a slippery slope when you say its ok to do one thing offensive but not another. If your logic is that people should be held accountable for their free speech, then anyone should be held accountable for anything bad that happens even when its legal.

People died a while back from the violence caused by a anti-islamic video put up on youtube. The logical conclusion of your view would mean anyone who had a hand in making and keeping the video on youtube should be held accountable.

So, you have the creators of the video, the actors of the video, all employees of youtube, all employees of google, all employees of the hardware that the video was on, all employees of the electrical power used to power the hardware. ect ect.

So many people played a part in that video. And even if you say its small, its still a part. The conclusion of your view gets so complex that it helps show how its wrong.
 
touchstone said:
Lol. BBC sources a single ISIS associated Twitter account with claiming this. That's not news nor is it quality intelligence. The DoD has already stated that there is no evidence this was planned overseas (yet), and they've already found tweets shortly after the attack between these IS accounts saying they tried to reach the guy before the attack but never got in contact with him.


This is, as expected, turning out to be two American born IS fanboys. Looks like I was 100% right, who was it that wanted to bet me these guys were immigrants?

SlickSnake where are you so I can point out how utterly wrong you were, and your corresponding unreasonable confidence in yourself?
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This thing is all over the web and not just the BBC. If you don't want to believe that ISIS was behind this that's your prerogative.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/politics/texas-attack-terror-tweets/index.html
 
It's hilarious that people blame anyone but the two gunmen. They are to blame, and them alone. Putting the blame on who organized the event or drew that drawings is idiotic. But it's typical around here to defend the criminals.
 
marincounty said:
Just think what would happen in Texas if I were to announce the creation of a huge "Socialist Abortion Center" to be located in Texas. And got a ton of publicity about it.
Want to bet whether it would be attacked by gun-toting Americans?
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Well, to make it the full "red meat" equivalent of Prophet Muhammad cartoons the center would need to have a contest of "best aborted fetus" videos. You can bet that those who would be the first to condemn such videos are currently front and center in support of the Texas Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest as a demonstration of "free speech."
 
Ackmed said:
It's hilarious that people blame anyone but the two gunmen. They are to blame, and them alone. Putting the blame on who organized the event or drew that drawings is idiotic. But it's typical around here to defend the criminals.
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The gunmen were clearly wrong and paid exactly the price they deserved; but the event organizers and participants were also clearly wrong.
 
shira said:
The gunmen were clearly wrong and paid exactly the price they deserved; but the event organizers and participants were also clearly wrong.
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Since when do muslims care what other people like? They'll demonstrate in the streets, ignore other country's laws, fight for sharia implementation, remove pork from restaurants...

Muslims do things other people don't like... do they get shot for it? Almost never.

The onus is 99.9% on them - responsibility for their own actions, regardless of what may have made them angry. (And it seems almost anything makes them angry these days.)

The Amazing Atheist just put out a good video on the subject but better keep one hand on the volume knob when he gets a little loud. 😉
 
Ackmed said:
It's hilarious that people blame anyone but the two gunmen. They are to blame, and them alone. Putting the blame on who organized the event or drew that drawings is idiotic. But it's typical around here to defend the criminals.
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Can you quote the poster that has "blamed anyone but the gunmen"?
 
ivwshane said:
Can you quote the poster that has "blamed anyone but the gunmen"?
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Obviously not, but it's important for him to believe that somebody has.

Art show? Please. It was just bait for delusional wannabee terrarists, working as intended.
 
Jhhnn said:
Obviously not, but it's important for him to believe that somebody has.

Art show? Please. It was just bait for delusional wannabee terrarists, working as intended.
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Agreed. I see no problem with it. They paid over $30,000 for security in anticipation of these snackbars showing up. The FBI and ATF also had agents at the event. The problem is, if the FBI set up an event like this to draw out domestic terrorists, they'd get accused of discrimination and all sorts of other things. But if private groups do it, it's their first amendment right.
 
Blue_Max said:
Since when do muslims care what other people like? They'll demonstrate in the streets, ignore other country's laws, fight for sharia implementation, remove pork from restaurants...

Muslims do things other people don't like... do they get shot for it? Almost never.

The onus is 99.9% on them - responsibility for their own actions, regardless of what may have made them angry. (And it seems almost anything makes them angry these days.)

The Amazing Atheist just put out a good video on the subject but better keep one hand on the volume knob when he gets a little loud. 😉
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That is one of your most ignorant posts ever and that is saying a lot.

Please tell us how many Muslim people you talk to on a daily basis. I'm very curious.
 
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