Shoo, poor, shoo! Get off my porch!

[Robor]

Theres a reason why the jobs are moving. Its because of unions, minimum wage, farm subsidies, taxes,regulations, and restrictive energy policies. All these policies add on to the cost of doing buisiness here. If we can chop off costs, we can keep the jobs.

/facepalm

 

[Zargon]

And while I've repeatedly said that does happen too, the right continues its 100% rate of lying about my position.



You're a right-wing parrot.

Learn someting about how to help poverty and then say something.

right wing parrot my ass. I'm not a republican. I didnt vote for mcdumbass and mcdumbasser either.

Go stand in line at walmart with me, and watch these douchebags use theit food stamps then, pull up cart#2 full of 40's and cases of natty, and swishers and bust out a fatass roll of 20's worth about 4 grand, as they peel a few off to pay for their 300 dollar liquor/smokes bil for the week and tell me they arent playing the system and reaping the rewards, and the system has NO HOPE of 'helping' them do anything but profit from it in no way that will makes them better people

how are those glasses fitting again? nice and tight?

repeatedly giving someone something for nothing has been shown to be incredibly flawed.

I dont have to tell you how to actually help poor people to know that the current system is broken. Its a retarded argument to say that if I cant fix it, then I cant know its broken. I cant fix a furnance but that doesnt mean I too stupid to know when I dont have heat

 

[CallMeJoe]

Not surprisingly, Mr. Bauer is emerging as a new hero of the South Carolina Tea Party movement...

 

[Craig234]

right wing parrot my ass. I'm not a republican. I didnt vote for mcdumbass and mcdumbasser either.

Good to hear you don't do it other times. You did that post.

Go stand in line at walmart with me, and watch these douchebags use theit food stamps then, pull up cart#2 full of 40's and cases of natty, and swishers and bust out a fatass roll of 20's worth about 4 grand, as they peel a few off to pay for their 300 dollar liquor/smokes bil for the week and tell me they arent playing the system and reaping the rewards, and the system has NO HOPE of 'helping' them do anything but profit from it in no way that will makes them better people

Assuming you aren't exagerrating, yes they are abusing the system. Join me in supporting increased enforcement against that abuse. I do not support ruining it for the legitimate people because of them.

Your extreme example sounds like drug dealers - it's a many billions a year industry without any paperwork making it work well with social service abuse. Let's step up enforcement of abuse a lot.

how are those glasses fitting again? nice and tight?

repeatedly giving someone something for nothing has been shown to be incredibly flawed.

I dont have to tell you how to actually help poor people to know that the current system is broken. Its a retarded argument to say that if I cant fix it, then I cant know its broken. I cant fix a furnance but that doesnt mean I too stupid to know when I dont have heat

It means you don't appreciate the need, the options, the tradeoffs. You just see one problem and react without understanding the issue.

Corrupt cops piss me off. I don't support elimitating the department. You agree with that because you appreciate the benefits of the police more than of the aid for the poor.

I'm all for improving aid, for addresing the dependancy issue constructively, not your ranting 'they suck get rid of it' blather.

 

[Craig234]

Not surprisingly, Mr. Bauer is emerging as a new hero of the South Carolina Tea Party movement...

Always demagogues who will pursue power from pandering to the mob, whatever the harm.

 

[nobodyknows]

Bauer is correct. Its time we stop being politically correct. We need to stop giving poor people luxuries like fresh meats and fruits and have them on a rice and beans diet. 2000 calories, rice and beans. Don't like it? Stop being poor.

"Let them eat cake"

"Off with their heads"

Theres a reason why the jobs are moving. Its because of unions, minimum wage, farm subsidies, taxes,regulations, and restrictive energy policies. All these policies add on to the cost of doing buisiness here. If we can chop off costs, we can keep the jobs.

Unfrackingbelievable. All we have to do is figure out how to cut costs of an employee making $15/hour so he can be competitive with some making $0.15/hour. Gee, why haven't we thought od this sooner???

 

[Jaskalas]

Unfrackingbelievable. All we have to do is figure out how to cut costs of an employee making $15/hour so he can be competitive with some making $0.15/hour. Gee, why haven't we thought od this sooner???

Get rid of free trade and suddenly you can turn that $0.15/hour advantage into whatever you'd like on the purchaser's end.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Growing dependence on food stamps and assistance isn't because people are lazy and don't want to work, it's because capitalists find it more profitable to employ foreign workers, have the govt borrow money from themselves to provide assistance instead of them providing decent paying productive jobs. They win twice. American capitalists broke the social contract of the New Deal, the partnership of workers and capital, during the Reagan years. Instead of jobs, they now increasingly provide lies and obfuscations, eagerly lapped up by their fanboi club...

One factor in people's not feeling badly about taking advantage of welfare benefits and food stamps and whatnot is probably a sense of unfairness that permeates the minds of the general public. Basically, if people believe that our society is not a meritocracy and that it is unfair and broken, they won't have any reason to have a sense of social responsibility. Instead of thinking, "I should work even if I'll only earn a little more than what welfare pays me because it's the right thing to do," people will think, "I should try to get everything I can out of the government and society since everyone else is looting it."

Perhaps I haven't expressed that sentiment as eloquently as possible, but I do think that that kind of a mindset is one of our society's problems--a complete lack of any sense of society or social responsibility and having a dog-eat-dog or "screw the rest of them" kind of mentality. If banksters on Wall Street and CEOs are getting away with white collar crimes or at least immoral actions, then why shouldn't the little guy try to do that too?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Theres a reason why the jobs are moving. Its because of unions, minimum wage, farm subsidies, taxes,regulations, and restrictive energy policies. All these policies add on to the cost of doing buisiness here. If we can chop off costs, we can keep the jobs.

You mean if we "race to the bottom" we an keep our jobs. We can keep our jobs and even bring them back--by transforming ourselves from a prosperous middle class society to a nation with widespread poverty, labor abuses, and few environmental regulations like India, China, Mexico. In other words, we can have all of our jobs back--just as soon as we become like India, China, and Mexico.

I have an even better idea! Let's keep the labor and environmental laws that protect our standard of living and quality of life and instead force businesses that want to sell goods and services in America to produce those goods and services in America and hire American labor. In other words, let's pull out of the WTO, let's raise tariff barriers, let's adopt a zero-dollar trade deficit and import credits policy, let's end the H-1B and L-1 visa programs and deport the foreign workers, let's end mass legal immigration, let's end illegal immigration and deport the illegals.

The U.S. economy did well before we were subjected to Global Labor Arbitrage and I don't see any reason why a mostly self-contained American free market could not do well again. It certainly won't solve all of our problems but will go a long way towards it.

 

[Zargon]

Good to hear you don't do it other times. You did that post.



Assuming you aren't exagerrating, yes they are abusing the system. Join me in supporting increased enforcement against that abuse. I do not support ruining it for the legitimate people because of them.

Your extreme example sounds like drug dealers - it's a many billions a year industry without any paperwork making it work well with social service abuse. Let's step up enforcement of abuse a lot.




It means you don't appreciate the need, the options, the tradeoffs. You just see one problem and react without understanding the issue.

Corrupt cops piss me off. I don't support elimitating the department. You agree with that because you appreciate the benefits of the police more than of the aid for the poor.

I'm all for improving aid, for addresing the dependancy issue constructively, not your ranting 'they suck get rid of it' blather.

Did I say that all welfare needs to be cut off? I said to paraphase, thats its wrought with abuses and that its not actually helping a portion of the people that use it, its 'hurting them' by allowing them to freeload purposefully.

My account, is truthful. Ands its not a rare occurrence, go that walmart or the local meijer, after 8pm. its commonplace.

 

[Craig234]

You mean if we "race to the bottom" we an keep our jobs. We can keep our jobs and even bring them back--by transforming ourselves from a prosperous middle class society to a nation with widespread poverty, labor abuses, and few environmental regulations like India, China, Mexico. In other words, we can have all of our jobs back--just as soon as we become like India, China, and Mexico.

I have an even better idea! Let's keep the labor and environmental laws that protect our standard of living and quality of life and instead force businesses that want to sell goods and services in America to produce those goods and services in America and hire American labor. In other words, let's pull out of the WTO, let's raise tariff barriers, let's adopt a zero-dollar trade deficit and import credits policy, let's end the H-1B and L-1 visa programs and deport the foreign workers, let's end mass legal immigration, let's end illegal immigration and deport the illegals.

The U.S. economy did well before we were subjected to Global Labor Arbitrage and I don't see any reason why a mostly self-contained American free market could not do well again. It certainly won't solve all of our problems but will go a long way towards it.

Hear, hear. As I've said before, what we need is a global cooperative plan for labor to coordinate and to gradually increase income among the poor in the world while protecting the US worker in the meantime.

Big business would love to pass a bill saying "middle class give us your money", but they can't get that passed in a democracy. But they CAN use labor arbitrage to get the same.

 

[Hacp]

"Let them eat cake"

"Off with their heads"



Unfrackingbelievable. All we have to do is figure out how to cut costs of an employee making $15/hour so he can be competitive with some making $0.15/hour. Gee, why haven't we thought od this sooner???

Thats where machines come in. You pay someone 8-10 dollars an hour to watch and fix a machine that does the work of 100 people.

 

[Craig234]

Did I say that all welfare needs to be cut off? I said to paraphase, thats its wrought with abuses and that its not actually helping a portion of the people that use it, its 'hurting them' by allowing them to freeload purposefully.

My account, is truthful. Ands its not a rare occurrence, go that walmart or the local meijer, after 8pm. its commonplace.

I stay witrh my satated position - I'm open to positive improvements but view you as not understandingthe benefits and exaggerating the issues repeating right-wing talking points on this.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Bauer is correct. Its time we stop being politically correct. We need to stop giving poor people luxuries like fresh meats and fruits and have them on a rice and beans diet. 2000 calories, rice and beans. Don't like it? Stop being poor.

LOL, just say no to poverty!

 

[Zargon]

I stay witrh my satated position - I'm open to positive improvements but view you as not understandingthe benefits and exaggerating the issues repeating right-wing talking points on this.

yeah, and the general left wing talking point anytime welfare reform is brought up is calling said person a racist usually.

I am glad you atleast didnt go there.

 

[Craig234]

yeah, and the general left wing talking point anytime welfare reform is brought up is calling said person a racist usually.

I am glad you atleast didnt go there.

Ya. It's all too common for their to be racism, but much of the time there isn't, and there was nothing at all in your post suggesting any.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

You mean if we "race to the bottom" we an keep our jobs. We can keep our jobs and even bring them back--by transforming ourselves from a prosperous middle class society to a nation with widespread poverty, labor abuses, and few environmental regulations like India, China, Mexico. In other words, we can have all of our jobs back--just as soon as we become like India, China, and Mexico.

I have an even better idea! Let's keep the labor and environmental laws that protect our standard of living and quality of life and instead force businesses that want to sell goods and services in America to produce those goods and services in America and hire American labor. In other words, let's pull out of the WTO, let's raise tariff barriers, let's adopt a zero-dollar trade deficit and import credits policy, let's end the H-1B and L-1 visa programs and deport the foreign workers, let's end mass legal immigration, let's end illegal immigration and deport the illegals.

The U.S. economy did well before we were subjected to Global Labor Arbitrage and I don't see any reason why a mostly self-contained American free market could not do well again. It certainly won't solve all of our problems but will go a long way towards it.

But, But, Walmart would go out of business and we could no longer get substandard products at near third world prices and all those fancy electronic gadgets and wizzbangs that we can't seem to live without would triple in price. The children could no longer have their own Iphone THINK OF THE CHILDREN !!!!!!! THE POOR CHILDREN!!!!

And things like clothing, linens and housewares would once again have value and durability and we would actually have to take care of our shit, that just doesn't fit the model of our disposable society. We like our stuff falling apart 30min after taking out of the package and ultra cheap enough we can replace it 5 times a year.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Righties can't even begin to scratch the surface of the monolith of lies they hold so dear.

Growing dependence on food stamps and assistance isn't because people are lazy and don't want to work, it's because capitalists find it more profitable to employ foreign workers, have the govt borrow money from themselves to provide assistance instead of them providing decent paying productive jobs. They win twice. American capitalists broke the social contract of the New Deal, the partnership of workers and capital, during the Reagan years. Instead of jobs, they now increasingly provide lies and obfuscations, eagerly lapped up by their fanboi club...

If you want to see who's sucking on the govt teat, don't look at the bottom of the food chain, look at the top...

Many are not interested in a productive job. They have made the choice to not be qualified for the higher paying jobs.

They have determined that it is easier to suck off the government tit than work their asses off unlike previous generations. And they then perpetuate that cycle to their children.

There are jobs available to people with a HS education - they may not be glamorous but they are there. there are even jobs for those without a HS education. Even less glamorous; trash pickup, toilet cleaners,etc.

Some will actually pay decently if they get their foot in the door.
But that requires having the determination to cleanup and sell yourself

 

[soulcougher73]

I say we just enlist all welfare people into the military. Let the poor fight our wars for free food and room and board

 

[Red Dawn]

I say we just enlist all welfare people into the military. Let the poor fight our wars for free food and room and board

That didn't work so well in Viet Nam.

 

[Jhhnn]

Many are not interested in a productive job. They have made the choice to not be qualified for the higher paying jobs.

They have determined that it is easier to suck off the government tit than work their asses off unlike previous generations. And they then perpetuate that cycle to their children.

There are jobs available to people with a HS education - they may not be glamorous but they are there. there are even jobs for those without a HS education. Even less glamorous; trash pickup, toilet cleaners,etc.

Some will actually pay decently if they get their foot in the door.
But that requires having the determination to cleanup and sell yourself

Standard blame the victim attitude.

Unemployment is at 10%, underemployment adds at least another 7%, applicants outnumber positions 6:1 or better. Most of these are people who were employed some months or a few years ago, despite the jobless nature of the so-called Bush Recovery. But now they all like it on the dole, right? They really enjoy losing their homes, living off what they've saved and their credit cards.

If it's such a great deal, why not sign yourself up, see how you like it?

hacp is obviously a child, or a trust fund baby, given his completely non-productive attitude. Tell us, O Sage, who's going to buy all those nice empty foreclosures on $8-10/hr? Or even pay the rent, unless they're living 3 or 4 families per house?

The callous and willful ignorance of Righties is truly astounding. Look past the end of your noses, see where all this selfish denial is leading us. Certainly not to what anybody who has more than a few grey cells to rub together would define as middle class prosperity, that's for sure.

Might as well just scream "Me! It's all about Me, Motherfuzkers! The rest of you can kiss my ass!"

That works for Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly and their cohorts, including Grover Norquist & Co. If you think it'll work for the rest of us in a collective sort of way, you're obviously a complete dupe, a guy who hit his head real hard when he fell off the turnip truck.

 

[soulcougher73]

That didn't work so well in Viet Nam.

Think of it as thinning the herd. I have no real answer to this other then work programs. You want free shit. Work for it.

 

[soccerballtux]

Why does it matter if the poor live or die? The universe does not care what we do to them. The resources could better be used in advancing science than feeding poor people.

 

[Zargon]

who's going to buy all those nice empty foreclosures on $8-10/hr? Or even pay the rent, unless they're living 3 or 4 families per house?

well the first thing to change is the idea that Clinton that brought us, that everyone can and should own their own home.

They shouldn't. They can't(obviously).

Obviously people need to start building smaller homes that are affordable to the lower end of the income spectrum.

Thats a whole other issue of course.

 

[nobodyknows]

Thats where machines come in. You pay someone 8-10 dollars an hour to watch and fix a machine that does the work of 100 people.

Your laughable. You don't think the companies that will pay someone to figure out how to do that won't turn around and start doing the same thing with their $0.15/hour labor?