Shimmering issue fixed for 7800GTX

[imported_Kensai]

So.. When will they be released?

 

[Todd33]

Rollo being the Nvidia fluff boy is less than an unbiased source, maybe Anand will do some test.

 

[Cobalt]

If possible could you test it on your 6600GTs? I notice this problem terribly on my 6600GT, especially in CS 1.6.

 

[spacemann]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25807

does it fix THIS?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Rollo
thought some HL2 would be good because people noticed this a lot in CSS. (which I don't have) Anyway, it's pretty clear at HL2 there is no mythical 30% performance reduction.
...

At UT2004 anyway, it's safe to say that "30% perfomance hit" rumor is a lie.

You apparently misunderstood; the 30% is an average between Quslity and High Quality settings from that German article.

Originally posted by: Rollo
The High Quality mode turns all optomizations off, I'd guess it's still there in Quality.

So then the 30% still stands, eh?

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: the cobbler
any inside knowledge as to whether this solves the 6600GT shimmering? (same deal as G70 more or less)

if you'd like, I would happily test them for you on mine

I have a 6600GT SLI set and a 6800GT SLI set, but thanks anyway.

So how do the drivers work on those? Will they get rid of the shimmering on my 6800gt? And do the just bring the shimmiring issue with the 7800gtx down to the level of the nv4x cards or does it get rid if it entierly for both of them?

 

[nitromullet]

You apparently misunderstood; the 30% is an average between Quslity and High Quality settings from that German article.

Apparently, you misunderstood. The 30% is the difference between NV's 77.77 drivers with optimizations on and two previous driver versions released before the 7800GTX came out with the optimaizations turned off. Additionally, one of these drivers has also been modified to remove/alter the hardware string so it doesn't recognize the card. This removes the chance for any hardware specific optimization, and it appears to have worked, albiet with a 30% drop in performance. Based on Rollo's and ChrisRay's findings however, it appears that NVIDIA is able to fix the shimmering issue without the performance drop. Imagine that, the company that designed and built the core can fix the issue and get better performance out of the part then a couple of German dudes with can with some old drivers and a hex editor.

Edit: what they need to show us is the difference between the 77.77 drivers optimized and non-optimized. Why didn't they do the string change/removal to those drivers? My guess is that they can't do this because the issue is actually a bug and not a feature. - i.e. It can't be turned off because it's broken. Don't get me wrong, broken isn't good... But, there is a big difference between broken and fixed with a minimum performance hit and over optimized with a 30% hit to make it look right.

Don't mistake this either... I'm personally not thrilled about the prospect of a 30% hit to get rid of the shimmering. It's my $1200 we're talking about here, not your's... NV isn't going to refund 30% of that should it require a 30% drop in perfance to get the IQ I want. At this point though, that doesn't appear to be the case.

 

[kylebisme]

Fair enough, I'm not going to contest the likely hood that I mssunderstood what I read of that google translated artilce, and how you explained it does make more sense as while the peformace drop between Q and HQ I have seen on my 6800gt is large but not by the order of 30%. And yeah, you are the one with the 7800gtx, but I still have the issue to some extent on my 6800gt and I'd like to know what these drivers do or don't do for that. Rollo's benchmarks don't show much a performance drop which is always a good thing, but then ChrisRays video doesn't rightly show the issue as being solved either; so I'm still left curious as to how much these drivers acutally help image quality on various hardware.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Imagine that, the company that designed and built the core can fix the issue and get better performance out of the part then a couple of German dudes with can with some old drivers and a hex editor.

This is pretty funny!

"Hans, pass me our copy Hexi-Haxorz! I'll teach those schweinhunds at nVidia not to invite us to their launch party!"

"Ja Franz! Check out these UT videos I made at 10X7 8X with all adjustable settings on lowest possible! American dumbkopfs will think 7800GTX is fast because graphics look like a S3 Virge!"

"Hahahahahahaha!Haahhahaahhaa!"



(Don't even think hate crime against Germans here, I'm a third gen descendant of 100% Germans, I can make a joke about us if I want to! )

 

[kylebisme]

So Rollo, does if fix the shimmering on the 7800gtx back to the level of what we get with the nv4x cards, or does it fix it more or less? It obviously doesn't fix it competely as can bee seen in CrhisRay's video, but do the nv4x cards get any fix too or just the 78000gtx?

 

[imported_g33k]

So I still don't fully understand, is it better to run HQ or Q? Is the IQ really worth the performance hit?

 

[Ackmed]

So its "fixed" only in HQ? Ugh. Thats not fixed in my book.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Imagine that, the company that designed and built the core can fix the issue and get better performance out of the part then a couple of German dudes with can with some old drivers and a hex editor.

This is pretty funny!

"Hans, pass me our copy Hexi-Haxorz! I'll teach those schweinhunds at nVidia not to invite us to their launch party!"

"Ja Franz! Check out these UT videos I made at 10X7 8X with all adjustable settings on lowest possible! American dumbkopfs will think 7800GTX is fast because graphics look like a S3 Virge!"

"Hahahahahahaha!Haahhahaahhaa!"

rofl

 

[kylebisme]

ROFL how people try to pass the article of as an anti-nvidia thing, yet same site called ATI out when they droped their filtering quality as well.
link.

 

[gsellis]

ROFL Rollo. Ja..

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
So its "fixed" only in HQ? Ugh. Thats not fixed in my book.

Your book? You mean the Necronomicon?

 

[Ackmed]

Whats funny is, he runs 3Dmark at 1024x768, with quality set to lowest. Then makes fun of it? Heh.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Rollo being the Nvidia fluff boy is less than an unbiased source, maybe Anand will do some test.

It's a shame you couldn't contribute more to the thread than juvenile name calling.

I am the first person on the internet to post something about a fix that concerns many, and all you can do is bleat out a childish flame. Do you still wet the bed as well?

 

[BFG10K]

So its "fixed" only in HQ?

The nature of quality is that it's supposed to trade some IQ for performance. The most important thing is to get the shimmering fixed for high quality because that's were it shouldn't be.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

So its "fixed" only in HQ?

The nature of quality is that it's supposed to trade some IQ for performance. The most important thing is to get the shimmering fixed for high quality because that's were it shouldn't be.

Hey guess what? With an ATi X800, you don't need to enable any high quality mode to get rid of shimmering textures. It gives proper image quality right out of the box at default settings. Why can't Nvidia do that?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Todd33
Rollo being the Nvidia fluff boy is less than an unbiased source, maybe Anand will do some test.

It's a shame you couldn't contribute more to the thread than juvenile name calling.

I am the first person on the internet to post something about a fix that concerns many, and all you can do is bleat out a childish flame. Do you still wet the bed as well?

But the only image quality comparison you provided is the link to ChrisRay's videos, and the shimmering is still there. So all you are contributing is missinformation at this point and this thread doesn't have any value unless the issue is ever acutally resolved.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: BFG10K

So its "fixed" only in HQ?

The nature of quality is that it's supposed to trade some IQ for performance. The most important thing is to get the shimmering fixed for high quality because that's were it shouldn't be.

Hey guess what? With an ATi X800, you don't need to enable any high quality mode to get rid of shimmering textures. It gives proper image quality right out of the box at default settings. Why can't Nvidia do that?

Hey guess what?

If you're willing to live with an inferior card like a X800 because it's tradeoffs mean less to you than moving the slider bar, I think you're right where you should be!

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Todd33
Rollo being the Nvidia fluff boy is less than an unbiased source, maybe Anand will do some test.

It's a shame you couldn't contribute more to the thread than juvenile name calling.

I am the first person on the internet to post something about a fix that concerns many, and all you can do is bleat out a childish flame. Do you still wet the bed as well?

But the only image quality comparison you provided is the link to ChrisRay's videos, and the shimmering is still there. So all you are contributing is missinformation at this point and this thread doesn't have any value unless the issue is ever acutally resolved.

Rollo, I don't know if these folks appreciate what you tried to do here or not. If they do, they have a funny way of showing it. If I were you, I'd think twice before posting any info you get ahead of time in this forum. Quite frankly, I knew the ATI fans would wittle your information down to missinformation as snowman has made a career out of. I don't think any of them deserve to know info like this. Accept Ackmed. Even though he is a die hard ATI advocate, he actually bought the damn 7800GTX. So, just my 2 cents. Actually, now that I think about it, the only reason an ATI fan/user would even consider entering this thread would be to sh!t on it somehow. I mean, why would you enter this thread if your not affected by a shimmering 7800? I would like to purchase one, so I have an interest in it.

Its like a covert war man. They start off all innocent like. Ask benine questions about what you found, then things slowly morph as they see loopholes in your findings. If one frikkin molecule of information that you give them shows that it may not work, then it obviously and totally does not work. Then the name slinging and accusations of missinformation start flying. Nobody can remain civil for very long, and for most of them, being civil is just a way to get you to open up and give them something to season your ass to chew on. Garbage.

 

[speedstream5621]

Uh, shimmering is most definitely existent with NV40 cards...my 6800 GT definitely did.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: speedstream5621
Uh, shimmering is most definitely existent with NV40 cards...my 6800 GT definitely did.

Well it is most definatly NOT existent on my NV40. 6800GT as well. So where does that leave us? I'm using 71.89 drivers on a BFG

 

[nRollo]

This thread actually made some progress Keys.

I see your point and to some extent I agree with it.

HOWEVER if I stop posting this stuff when I get it, the asshats win.

They've stopped the people who really wanted the info and appreciate it from getting it. For every dumbass that calls me a "fluffer" or nitpicks the fix by petulantly whining "Waah, you have to slide the bar to High Q when you install the drivers" there are probably 10 guys that see this post and think "Excellent. This is really the only issue I've seen with these cards, I'm glad to know nVidia is working on a fix for it".

In every crowd you're going to have negative people that aren't worth the air they breathe. I try to help the ones that are, as I can. :beer: