She was laughing and cracking jokes about the situation

[Safeway]

Wow, that is huge. If this hadn't happened, she would have obeisitied herself to death. That is, if the damage hasn't already been done ...

 

[lozina]

I wonder if her heart is the size of my torso

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: halik
Pics?

Sense of humor is alwas good though, at least she has good attitude.

One of the guys on the Discovery Channel show I saw about this sort of thing had a great attitude too... but he also died before he turned 40.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Amused
How sad. Some people are prisoners in their own bodies.

The only thing I find sad is people let themselves get in that condition.

OK.

I will pay you one million dollars if you can reach 700 lbs in two years.

She has a genetic problem. Most people cannot become super obese even if they try.

Now tell me, why does it make you feel better to blame her for her condition rather than admit the obvious? She has very little control over it... and treatments for it are extremely invasive and expensive.

I think you're genetically predisposed with your metabolism, so some people gain weight more easily. That being said, it is all calories in / calories out... her eating habits are the main contributor to her condition.

No, I would say her uncontrollable appetite was the main contributer. For some people (hell, most people if you look at diet failure rates), appetite is not controllable at all.

If it were as simple dieting, no one would be fat. But the fact of the matter is, appetite is as compelling for some people as the need to breathe. Only a minority of people can actually control their appetite long term. But for most, their body's out of control need for food will win in the long run.

In the super obese, their appetite is WAY out of wack, and their bodies litterally drive them crazy. It's very, very sad.

Hopefully one day science can determine what causes this and cure it.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Amused
Like I said. Get to 700 lbs just by letting yourself go and I'll believe you.

You may be right and you may be wrong, but asking other people to get to 700lbs as a counter is not going to win you an argument. Even for a million dollars, 700 lbs is not worth it. Infact, there isn't any lump sum in the world worth 700 lbs. Why?

1. I could very well die on the way to 700 lbs for a number of health related complications.
2. 700 lbs would take significant time.
3. During which time, I would have to endure constant ridicule, the in-ability to perform tasks I enjoy, pain, possibly not able to complete my own job.
4. And finally, at some point I'd reach a point where someone else would have to take care of me. Meaning I'd have to split my lump sum with the poor sap who waits hand and foot on my disgusting ass just to prove a point.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Amused
How sad. Some people are prisoners in their own bodies.

The only thing I find sad is people let themselves get in that condition.

OK.

I will pay you one million dollars if you can reach 700 lbs in two years.

She has a genetic problem. Most people cannot become super obese even if they try.

Now tell me, why does it make you feel better to blame her for her condition rather than admit the obvious? She has very little control over it... and treatments for it are extremely invasive and expensive.

Genetic conditions are one thing, but to get to 700lbs, you have to neglect your body for many years. She may not have control over it now, but she did have control of her problem at some point in her life.

OK, since you have all the answers why not simply tell these people how to fix themselves and get rich?

Oh wait...

It's not that simple. She NEVER had control over it. That's why she got to 700 lbs in the first place. Could she have got medical attention and had invasive procedures to help her? Sure. But are you gonna pick up the tab, help calm her fears over the danger and ease her pain? I thought not.

No, all people like you do is sit in your office chairs at your computers and judge people without having the slightest idea what it is like to be them.

I don't have all of the answers. Im not even in the medical field. I do know that some people are more prone to obesity due to their genetics, so I agree with you there. But I really don't believe that she got to that weight because of her genetics alone.

And I have to believe that it must be hell to live like that. At 700lbs, there isnt much you can do anymore. I still sympathize with those people despite the fact that I believe neglect played a major role.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
Like I said. Get to 700 lbs just by letting yourself go and I'll believe you.

You may be right and you may be wrong, but asking other people to get to 700lbs as a counter is not going to win you an argument. Even for a million dollars, 700 lbs is not worth it. Infact, there isn't any lump sum in the world worth 700 lbs. Why?

1. I could very well die on the way to 700 lbs for a number of health related complications.
2. 700 lbs would take significant time.
3. During which time, I would have to endure constant ridicule, the in-ability to perform tasks I enjoy, pain, possibly not able to complete my own job.
4. And finally, at some point I'd reach a point where someone else would have to take care of me. Meaning I'd have to split my lump sum with the poor sap who waits hand and foot on my disgusting ass just to prove a point.

Nice dodge. But the fact remains that the vast majority of people simply cannot do it. This means it is NOT a simple case of laziness and gluttony. Something is out of whack with their bodies.

Anyhow, I'm off to the gym. Luckily for me, if I let myself go I only gain 50 or so lbs before I plateau. And that only started in my 30s.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Amused
OK, since you have all the answers why not simply tell these people how to fix themselves and get rich?

Oh wait...

It's not that simple. She NEVER had control over it. That's why she got to 700 lbs in the first place. Could she have got medical attention and had invasive procedures to help her? Sure. But are you gonna pick up the tab, help calm her fears over the danger and ease her pain? I thought not.

No, all people like you do is sit in your office chairs at your computers and judge people without having the slightest idea what it is like to be them.

So you honestly believe that if her typical diet consisted of something like a cup of low fat yogurt and a banana for breakfast, a chicken salad sandwich and a carrot for lunch with a glass of juice, and then a 1/3 lb of salmon with 1 cup of rice and 1 cup of mixed vegetables with 1 glass of milk for dinner, and then jogged 2 times a week she'd still gain weight?


Sorry man, but you can't defy the laws of thermodynamics.

(energy in) - (energy expended) => weight gained

Just make sure you're expending more than you're eating and you'll lose weight. No amount of genetic tinkering will allow your body to produce fat and energy from water and air.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Amused
Nice dodge. But the fact remains that the vast majority of people simply cannot do it. This means it is NOT a simple case of laziness and gluttony. Something is out of whack with their bodies.

Anyhow, I'm off to the gym. Luckily for me, if I let myself go I only gain 50 or so lbs before I plateau. And that only started in my 30s.

WTF Amused? How is that a dodge? Find someone who actually WANTS to gain 700lbs for money. And yes, it would take time. Increasing your appetite requires constantly overeating by small portions (to the point of being stuffed). Someone who is 700lbs most likely overate meals dating all the way back to their childhood.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: krunchykrome

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Amused
How sad. Some people are prisoners in their own bodies.

The only thing I find sad is people let themselves get in that condition.

OK.

I will pay you one million dollars if you can reach 700 lbs in two years.

She has a genetic problem. Most people cannot become super obese even if they try.

Now tell me, why does it make you feel better to blame her for her condition rather than admit the obvious? She has very little control over it... and treatments for it are extremely invasive and expensive.

Genetic conditions are one thing, but to get to 700lbs, you have to neglect your body for many years. She may not have control over it now, but she did have control of her problem at some point in her life.

OK, since you have all the answers why not simply tell these people how to fix themselves and get rich?

Oh wait...

It's not that simple. She NEVER had control over it. That's why she got to 700 lbs in the first place. Could she have got medical attention and had invasive procedures to help her? Sure. But are you gonna pick up the tab, help calm her fears over the danger and ease her pain? I thought not.

No, all people like you do is sit in your office chairs at your computers and judge people without having the slightest idea what it is like to be them.

I don't have all of the answers. Im not even in the medical field. I do know that some people are more prone to obesity due to their genetics, so I agree with you there. But I really don't believe that she got to that weight because of her genetics alone.

And I have to believe that it must be hell to live like that. At 700lbs, there isnt much you can do anymore. I still sympathize with those people despite the fact that I believe neglect played a major role.

And what would you do if your appetite was as uncontrollable as your breathing?

"Negelect" is a strong word here. And an easy out that lets people look down their noses at a group of people who, when you look at the situation objectively, have almost NO control over their bodies.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Amused
How sad. Some people are prisoners in their own bodies.

The only thing I find sad is people let themselves get in that condition.

OK.

I will pay you one million dollars if you can reach 700 lbs in two years.

She has a genetic problem. Most people cannot become super obese even if they try.

Now tell me, why does it make you feel better to blame her for her condition rather than admit the obvious? She has very little control over it... and treatments for it are extremely invasive and expensive.

Dude. Listen to yourself. Read the article.
700 pounds

Dont you think that at maybe 300 she should have become worried about her condition? Or maybe 400? Maybe by the time she was 500 pounds she should have realized something was wrong with her. 600 pounds apparently flew by as well. And from what it looks like even 700 pounds wasnt too concerning to her.

Even including her "genetic condition" of being a fatass with todays technology and understanding of diet and exercise there is no excuse for being that obese.

Like I said. Get to 700 lbs just by letting yourself go and I'll believe you.

The fact of the matter is, you cannot. The vast majority of us cannot. 700 lbs is not a case of simply letting oneself go. It's a serious problem she obviously has little to no control over.

It's obvious that the super obese cannot help their weight by and large. The failure rate of simple diet and exercise among them is very close to 100%.

Again, yes, she could have got help. But the only really effective help for the super obese is extremely invasive, dangerous and expensive.

i kind of agree, i think youd die before reaching 700lbs just by trying to eat as much sweets and maccy d's as you could, i think your liver would fail or something. people this fat generally have something wrong with them, but i think it is then compounded by eating the wrong foods. its a vicious circle, you cant really help the fact that your body's metabolism is glacial, and because your unhappy at that...you eat.

exercise might keep it in check, but im no doctor here. thankfully im the otherway round, i tend to lose weight quite fast. i have to eat plenty and exercise plenty to keep me the way i am.

 

[CityShrimp]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
Like I said. Get to 700 lbs just by letting yourself go and I'll believe you.

You may be right and you may be wrong, but asking other people to get to 700lbs as a counter is not going to win you an argument. Even for a million dollars, 700 lbs is not worth it. Infact, there isn't any lump sum in the world worth 700 lbs. Why?

1. I could very well die on the way to 700 lbs for a number of health related complications.
2. 700 lbs would take significant time.
3. During which time, I would have to endure constant ridicule, the in-ability to perform tasks I enjoy, pain, possibly not able to complete my own job.
4. And finally, at some point I'd reach a point where someone else would have to take care of me. Meaning I'd have to split my lump sum with the poor sap who waits hand and foot on my disgusting ass just to prove a point.

Nice dodge. But the fact remains that the vast majority of people simply cannot do it. This means it is NOT a simple case of laziness and gluttony. Something is out of whack with their bodies.

Anyhow, I'm off to the gym. Luckily for me, if I let myself go I only gain 50 or so lbs before I plateau. And that only started in my 30s.

Would you care to read the main argument in other people's post first?
I think most of us don't doubt that there is a medical condition behind her obesity, but what we're saying is that she should have gotten medical attention. You sort of addressed this issue in another post about "help[ing] calm her fears over the danger and ease her pain". So what are you saying is that she doesn't have family to do that for her?? And do you think you'd be more scared about some invasive procedures or being 700 lb.??

Think about it for a sec.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: halik
Pics?

Sense of humor is alwas good though, at least she has good attitude.

she was probably crying a little inside

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
Nice dodge. But the fact remains that the vast majority of people simply cannot do it. This means it is NOT a simple case of laziness and gluttony. Something is out of whack with their bodies.

Anyhow, I'm off to the gym. Luckily for me, if I let myself go I only gain 50 or so lbs before I plateau. And that only started in my 30s.

WTF Amused? How is that a dodge? Find someone who actually WANTS to gain 700lbs for money. And yes, it would take time. Increasing your appetite requires constantly overeating by small portions (to the point of being stuffed). Someone who is 700lbs most likely overate meals dating all the way back to their childhood.

You honestly think a normally skinny person could "train" themselves to overeat enough to gain 700 lbs? You honestly think appetite is learned???

Wow.

 

[CKDragon]

BUT BUT BUT... it was a food addiction!

If my mind ever gets to a point where I can't control whether or not my hands grab food and stuff it in my mouth, I hope one of you nice people would have enough sympathy to put me out of my misery.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
Nice dodge. But the fact remains that the vast majority of people simply cannot do it. This means it is NOT a simple case of laziness and gluttony. Something is out of whack with their bodies.

Anyhow, I'm off to the gym. Luckily for me, if I let myself go I only gain 50 or so lbs before I plateau. And that only started in my 30s.

WTF Amused? How is that a dodge? Find someone who actually WANTS to gain 700lbs for money. And yes, it would take time. Increasing your appetite requires constantly overeating by small portions (to the point of being stuffed). Someone who is 700lbs most likely overate meals dating all the way back to their childhood.

You honestly think a normally skinny person could "train" themselves to overeat enough to gain 700 lbs? You honestly think appetite is learned???

Wow.

That is pretty sick. I thin kI could weigh 700 lbs if I wanted to. Give me enough time and food, and anything is possible.

Carrot and pudding castle, anyone?

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Amused
And what would you do if your appetite was as uncontrollable as your breathing?

"Negelect" is a strong word here. And an easy out that lets people look down their noses at a group of people who, when you look at the situation objectively, have almost NO control over their bodies.

How do we differentiate 1 person who has an appetite which is just real hard to control from someone whose appetite is completely impossible to control? Is this some gene that has been found?

I've attempted to modify my appetite on occasion and I've realized how difficult and subconcious it can be. But I've never found it to be impossible. I've also seen the opposite, inducing ketosis and no longer hungering, getting full on extremely small portions and basically starving yourself on accident.

But at what point do we make the jump from difficult to impossible. That jump is a copout in my mind.

 

[sixone]

Originally posted by: silverpig
So you honestly believe that if her typical diet consisted of something like a cup of low fat yogurt and a banana for breakfast, a chicken salad sandwich and a carrot for lunch with a glass of juice, and then a 1/3 lb of salmon with 1 cup of rice and 1 cup of mixed vegetables with 1 glass of milk for dinner, and then jogged 2 times a week she'd still gain weight?


Sorry man, but you can't defy the laws of thermodynamics.

(energy in) - (energy expended) => weight gained

Just make sure you're expending more than you're eating and you'll lose weight. No amount of genetic tinkering will allow your body to produce fat and energy from water and air.

He never said anything like that.

That diet sucks. I don't think I could do it, day in and day out. How many thin people do you know who eat like that all the time?

And jogging? In this context, that just seems ridiculous.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: CityShrimp

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
Like I said. Get to 700 lbs just by letting yourself go and I'll believe you.

You may be right and you may be wrong, but asking other people to get to 700lbs as a counter is not going to win you an argument. Even for a million dollars, 700 lbs is not worth it. Infact, there isn't any lump sum in the world worth 700 lbs. Why?

1. I could very well die on the way to 700 lbs for a number of health related complications.
2. 700 lbs would take significant time.
3. During which time, I would have to endure constant ridicule, the in-ability to perform tasks I enjoy, pain, possibly not able to complete my own job.
4. And finally, at some point I'd reach a point where someone else would have to take care of me. Meaning I'd have to split my lump sum with the poor sap who waits hand and foot on my disgusting ass just to prove a point.

Nice dodge. But the fact remains that the vast majority of people simply cannot do it. This means it is NOT a simple case of laziness and gluttony. Something is out of whack with their bodies.

Anyhow, I'm off to the gym. Luckily for me, if I let myself go I only gain 50 or so lbs before I plateau. And that only started in my 30s.

Would you care to read the main argument in other people's post first?
I think most of us don't doubt that there is a medical condition behind her obesity, but what we're saying is that she should have gotten medical attention. You sort of addressed this issue in another post about "help[ing] calm her fears over the danger and ease her pain". So what are you saying is that she doesn't have family to do that for her?? And do you think you'd be more scared about some invasive procedures or being 700 lb.??

Think about it for a sec.

Did YOU think about it? For many the society induced shame keeps them from getting help. For others, the fear of surgery does it. And for most, the lack of money (20+grand) does it.

Fear of surgery and/or doctors in general causes many people to avoid doctors... not just the super obese.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Amused
OK, since you have all the answers why not simply tell these people how to fix themselves and get rich?

Oh wait...

It's not that simple. She NEVER had control over it. That's why she got to 700 lbs in the first place. Could she have got medical attention and had invasive procedures to help her? Sure. But are you gonna pick up the tab, help calm her fears over the danger and ease her pain? I thought not.

No, all people like you do is sit in your office chairs at your computers and judge people without having the slightest idea what it is like to be them.

So you honestly believe that if her typical diet consisted of something like a cup of low fat yogurt and a banana for breakfast, a chicken salad sandwich and a carrot for lunch with a glass of juice, and then a 1/3 lb of salmon with 1 cup of rice and 1 cup of mixed vegetables with 1 glass of milk for dinner, and then jogged 2 times a week she'd still gain weight?


Sorry man, but you can't defy the laws of thermodynamics.

(energy in) - (energy expended) => weight gained

Just make sure you're expending more than you're eating and you'll lose weight. No amount of genetic tinkering will allow your body to produce fat and energy from water and air.

good point

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: silverpig
So you honestly believe that if her typical diet consisted of something like a cup of low fat yogurt and a banana for breakfast, a chicken salad sandwich and a carrot for lunch with a glass of juice, and then a 1/3 lb of salmon with 1 cup of rice and 1 cup of mixed vegetables with 1 glass of milk for dinner, and then jogged 2 times a week she'd still gain weight?


Sorry man, but you can't defy the laws of thermodynamics.

(energy in) - (energy expended) => weight gained

Just make sure you're expending more than you're eating and you'll lose weight. No amount of genetic tinkering will allow your body to produce fat and energy from water and air.

He never said anything like that.

That diet sucks. I don't think I could do it, day in and day out. How many thin people do you know who eat like that all the time?

And jogging? In this context, that just seems ridiculous.

i wouldnt want her to jog, i dont want my house to fall down, and i dont want my tax money being spent re-paving the road every 2 weeks.

 

[krunchykrome]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
Nice dodge. But the fact remains that the vast majority of people simply cannot do it. This means it is NOT a simple case of laziness and gluttony. Something is out of whack with their bodies.

Anyhow, I'm off to the gym. Luckily for me, if I let myself go I only gain 50 or so lbs before I plateau. And that only started in my 30s.

WTF Amused? How is that a dodge? Find someone who actually WANTS to gain 700lbs for money. And yes, it would take time. Increasing your appetite requires constantly overeating by small portions (to the point of being stuffed). Someone who is 700lbs most likely overate meals dating all the way back to their childhood.

You honestly think a normally skinny person could "train" themselves to overeat enough to gain 700 lbs? You honestly think appetite is learned???

Wow.

To my knowledge, appetite cannot be controlled with the exception of a few supplements I am aware of. But to act upon your appetite has got to be a controllable decision. Hell, I love to eat, and when Im cutting, I force myself not to heat up those leftovers sitting in the fridge. When Im bulking, I force myself to eat just one more chicken breast.

But like I said earlier, Im no medical expert. You seem to be more knowledgable in this arena than the rest of us, right?

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
Nice dodge. But the fact remains that the vast majority of people simply cannot do it. This means it is NOT a simple case of laziness and gluttony. Something is out of whack with their bodies.

Anyhow, I'm off to the gym. Luckily for me, if I let myself go I only gain 50 or so lbs before I plateau. And that only started in my 30s.

WTF Amused? How is that a dodge? Find someone who actually WANTS to gain 700lbs for money. And yes, it would take time. Increasing your appetite requires constantly overeating by small portions (to the point of being stuffed). Someone who is 700lbs most likely overate meals dating all the way back to their childhood.

You honestly think a normally skinny person could "train" themselves to overeat enough to gain 700 lbs? You honestly think appetite is learned???

Wow.

When I'm in a bulking cycle and intentionally eating a lot of food, it's rough at first but eventually my stomach is regularly expanded to accommodate that extra food.

Conversely, after the first week of a cutting cycle I do not hunger as much because my stomach is regularly not as full and therefore condensed.

Therefore, I absolutely believe that if I incrementally eat more every week that my stomach will expand to the point that I will be eating more and more every day. Before you know it, I've trained myself to hunger for more food than I would have normally eaten. You could say that I've trained myself to have a bigger appetite.

 

[CityShrimp]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: CityShrimp

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
Like I said. Get to 700 lbs just by letting yourself go and I'll believe you.

You may be right and you may be wrong, but asking other people to get to 700lbs as a counter is not going to win you an argument. Even for a million dollars, 700 lbs is not worth it. Infact, there isn't any lump sum in the world worth 700 lbs. Why?

1. I could very well die on the way to 700 lbs for a number of health related complications.
2. 700 lbs would take significant time.
3. During which time, I would have to endure constant ridicule, the in-ability to perform tasks I enjoy, pain, possibly not able to complete my own job.
4. And finally, at some point I'd reach a point where someone else would have to take care of me. Meaning I'd have to split my lump sum with the poor sap who waits hand and foot on my disgusting ass just to prove a point.

Nice dodge. But the fact remains that the vast majority of people simply cannot do it. This means it is NOT a simple case of laziness and gluttony. Something is out of whack with their bodies.

Anyhow, I'm off to the gym. Luckily for me, if I let myself go I only gain 50 or so lbs before I plateau. And that only started in my 30s.

Would you care to read the main argument in other people's post first?
I think most of us don't doubt that there is a medical condition behind her obesity, but what we're saying is that she should have gotten medical attention. You sort of addressed this issue in another post about "help[ing] calm her fears over the danger and ease her pain". So what are you saying is that she doesn't have family to do that for her?? And do you think you'd be more scared about some invasive procedures or being 700 lb.??

Think about it for a sec.

Did YOU think about it? For many the society induced shame keeps them from getting help. For others, the fear of surgery does it. And for most, the lack of money (20+grand) does it.

Fear of surgery and/or doctors in general causes many people to avoid doctors... not just the super obese.

I'm sorry, but all of those issues stated above will not be a problem if you have proper support from friends and/or family. If she has neither, then I'm sorry that I picked on a friendless, family-less, medically ill person, but I honestly doubt that's the case.

If you're so ashamed or afraid of getting ANY type of help to prevent a disorder, hey, go right ahead and live with it. I understand that she probably doesn't see it as a problem, but personally, I would rather get surgery or treatment then to live as a 700 lb person.

Go ahead let shame and fear take over your life. Not like I give a damn what you do with your life anyways. =P

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: sixone

Originally posted by: silverpig
So you honestly believe that if her typical diet consisted of something like a cup of low fat yogurt and a banana for breakfast, a chicken salad sandwich and a carrot for lunch with a glass of juice, and then a 1/3 lb of salmon with 1 cup of rice and 1 cup of mixed vegetables with 1 glass of milk for dinner, and then jogged 2 times a week she'd still gain weight?


Sorry man, but you can't defy the laws of thermodynamics.

(energy in) - (energy expended) => weight gained

Just make sure you're expending more than you're eating and you'll lose weight. No amount of genetic tinkering will allow your body to produce fat and energy from water and air.

He never said anything like that.

That diet sucks. I don't think I could do it, day in and day out. How many thin people do you know who eat like that all the time?

And jogging? In this context, that just seems ridiculous.

My point is there are ways to prevent getting that fat. She didn't start out at 700 lbs you know. Maybe once she was 30, 50, 70 lbs overweight she could have realized and started doing something. You can't just say that it's genetics and leave it to that because genetics don't generate fat.

Try telling Michael Phelps he's a good swimmer only because of genetics. Sure they help, but he busted his ass in the pool for a long time to get that good. And it's not like his genetics motivated him to get up early and swim hard any more than this woman's genetics encouraged her to sit on her ass and stuff her face with cheezies.