She was impressively composed, definitely has talent... But she lied repeatedly

[yuppiejr]

After last night's speech I fully understand why the leftists have been gunning so hard at this woman for the last week.

Fact is, her "attacks" on Obama were reasonable challenges on ISSUES and his record as a public servant. She didn't attack his kids, she didn't go after his college coke habits, she and the other speakers went after his voting record (or lack therof) and his positions which is exactly what political opponents are supposed to do. I would expect the Obama campaign to do the same thing and raise issue with McCain/Palin on their stances and record as well - it's part of the process.

I don't know what kind of slap fight hugging contest you people expect but what I heard last night was a political candidate introducing herself, presenting her credentials/positions and highlighting differences in her stance versus her opponent's. If Obama can't handle having his positions scrutinized publicly perhaps he doesn't have the chops to be president where every decision he makes will be scrutinized by his countrymen and the international community.

 

[nageov3t]

every time a new Sarah Palin thread is created instead of using one of the existing twenty million threads, I think I die a little inside

😛

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Infidel
Denigrating Obama's community service and activism was pretty ugly, the equivalent of denigrating McCain's captivity for political points.

What they're selling: Sarah Palin
What you're getting: Ann Coulter

How did she denigrate his service?

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.

She never said there was anything wrong with being a community organizer. She just pointed out that as a mayor she had responsibilities that an organizer did not.

 

[yuppiejr]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Infidel
Denigrating Obama's community service and activism was pretty ugly, the equivalent of denigrating McCain's captivity for political points.

What they're selling: Sarah Palin
What you're getting: Ann Coulter

Um, one side isn't sàying he's a pow that makes he a presedential candidate. The other side is saying he was a community organizer which makes him a presedential candidate.

Actually I believe the McCain campaign has been focusing on his experience as a public servant (military service, elected political offices) first while his PoW experience has been promoted as a separate but important demonstration of his character. Walking the walk and talking the talk if you will...

I don't think Barak Obama's community service involved being locked in a cage for 5 years and subjected to daily beatings and torture leading to permanent physical disfigurement for refusing to renounce his country. That's not to say that Obama's contributions to his own community are not admirable in their own way, it's simply not an equivalent demonstration of character or sacrifice.

 

[Thump553]

A main function of the VP candidate is to be the attack dog. She was certainly within the bounds of conventional tactics to go after Obama last night. As an armchair quarterback I would have written that introductory speech differently-most of it would have been focused on the badly needed introduction of who she really is and humanizing her (like Michelle Obama's speech) and a smaller focus on inspirational topics, to get people excited about the GOP. In this particular situation, I would have greatly minimalized the attack dog aspects for now.

I'm not sure how good an attack dog she will be, she was pretty transparently snarky last night. She's definately no Bob Dole by a huge margin.

Huckabee's factual lie greatly surprised me, for it came seconds after an apparently heartfelt and classy discourse about race relations in America, and how we all should be proud that Obama made it to where is was not because of his race, but in indifference to it.

 

[yuppiejr]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Infidel
Denigrating Obama's community service and activism was pretty ugly, the equivalent of denigrating McCain's captivity for political points.

What they're selling: Sarah Palin
What you're getting: Ann Coulter

How did she denigrate his service?

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.

She never said there was anything wrong with being a community organizer. She just pointed out that as a mayor she had responsibilities that an organizer did not.

Pointing out anything but sunshine and roses about Obama is an "attack" - don't you understand? Can't we all just get along!!! <group hug>

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: loki8481
every time a new Sarah Palin thread is created instead of using one of the existing twenty million threads, I think I die a little inside

😛

The Media says she is a star and it was a "Star perforance" so it must be true.

9-4-2008Palin impresses with star performance: US media

Vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin won high marks in the US press Thursday for her performance at the Republican convention, with commentators saying she could no longer be dismissed as a political amateur after electrifying an audience of party faithful.

The Republicans, wrote a Wall Street Journal columnist, may have found their own Margaret Thatcher while the New York Post hailed Palin as a fighter and urged her on: "You go, girl."

"If the Republicans win the presidential election in November, it may well be said that they won it last night -- the night that John McCain's brilliantly screwy choice for a running mate changed from laughingstock to national star"

"If John McCain wins, conservatives may find one of the most enduring accomplishments of his term will have been what he did before it started: helping to fill the Republican Party's future talent bench with such a fresh and compelling figure."

====================================================
Personally I thought it was disgusting, Un-American and 110% lies and bullshit

Unfortunately that is apparently what America wants as eveidenced in here.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Telling the truth on the issues was never a POLITICIAN'S strong point.

Fixed

 

[yuppiejr]

Originally posted by: Thump553
A main function of the VP candidate is to be the attack dog. She was certainly within the bounds of conventional tactics to go after Obama last night. As an armchair quarterback I would have written that introductory speech differently-most of it would have been focused on the badly needed introduction of who she really is and humanizing her (like Michelle Obama's speech) and a smaller focus on inspirational topics, to get people excited about the GOP. In this particular situation, I would have greatly minimalized the attack dog aspects for now.

I'm not sure how good an attack dog she will be, she was pretty transparently snarky last night. She's definately no Bob Dole by a huge margin.

Huckabee's factual lie greatly surprised me, for it came seconds after an apparently heartfelt and classy discourse about race relations in America, and how we all should be proud that Obama made it to where is was not because of his race, but in indifference to it.

I thought it was a superb speech..

It gave her a chance to introduce herself and her family; after a week of relentless beating in the press I thought this was an extremely effective and "humanizing" thing to do. She also talked about her community involvement, her love for her family, etc...

She talked about her record as a public servant in Alaska, her positions on government spending and taxes, energy production, political corruption, etc... all of which are VERY relevant issues to the American Public.

She also pointed out inconsistencies in her opponent's positions, his voting record and his campaign strategies without any personal attacks on his family or character.

I'd say the reason most leftists are in a tizzy is she's neutralized much of Obama's "special status" appeal and forced this election to focus back on issues and record where he's most vulnerable. It's absolutely remarkable to see how energizing her selection as McCain's VP candidate has been - in my opinion literally snatching an almost guaranteed win from Obama's lap and putting the GoP ticket right back into the fight on equal ground.

It's suddenly a very close and interesting race again - beware the hanging chads.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: loki8481
every time a new Sarah Palin thread is created instead of using one of the existing twenty million threads, I think I die a little inside

😛

There are pros and cons. Separating the different issues and stories about Palin does contribute towards isolating the subject material being discussed and it helps prevent the degree of flaming which occurs when you start blending controversy like that.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Thump553

Huckabee's factual lie greatly surprised me, for it came seconds after an apparently heartfelt and classy discourse about race relations in America, and how we all should be proud that Obama made it to where is was not because of his race, but in indifference to it.

Technically speaking, Biden has received zero votes for Presdient, hasn't he? He's recevied bunches of votes for Democratic Nomination for President. Splitting hairs, I know, but while deceptive in a speech, Huckabee's statement isn't a lie.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr

Originally posted by: Thump553
A main function of the VP candidate is to be the attack dog. She was certainly within the bounds of conventional tactics to go after Obama last night. As an armchair quarterback I would have written that introductory speech differently-most of it would have been focused on the badly needed introduction of who she really is and humanizing her (like Michelle Obama's speech) and a smaller focus on inspirational topics, to get people excited about the GOP. In this particular situation, I would have greatly minimalized the attack dog aspects for now.

I'm not sure how good an attack dog she will be, she was pretty transparently snarky last night. She's definately no Bob Dole by a huge margin.

Huckabee's factual lie greatly surprised me, for it came seconds after an apparently heartfelt and classy discourse about race relations in America, and how we all should be proud that Obama made it to where is was not because of his race, but in indifference to it.

I thought it was a superb speech..

It gave her a chance to introduce herself and her family; after a week of relentless beating in the press I thought this was an extremely effective and "humanizing" thing to do. She also talked about her community involvement, her love for her family, etc...

She talked about her record as a public servant in Alaska, her positions on government spending and taxes, energy production, political corruption, etc... all of which are VERY relevant issues to the American Public.

She also pointed out inconsistencies in her opponent's positions, his voting record and his campaign strategies without any personal attacks on his family or character.

I'd say the reason most leftists are in a tizzy is she's neutralized much of Obama's "special status" appeal and forced this election to focus back on issues and record where he's most vulnerable. It's absolutely remarkable to see how energizing her selection as McCain's VP candidate has been - in my opinion literally snatching an almost guaranteed win from Obama's lap and putting the GoP ticket right back into the fight on equal ground.

It's suddenly a very close and interesting race again - beware the hanging chads.

I doubt it'll as close an you think it will be.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Thump553

Huckabee's factual lie greatly surprised me, for it came seconds after an apparently heartfelt and classy discourse about race relations in America, and how we all should be proud that Obama made it to where is was not because of his race, but in indifference to it.

Technically speaking, Biden has received zero votes for Presdient, hasn't he? He's recevied bunches of votes for Democratic Nomination for President. Splitting hairs, I know, but while deceptive in a speech, Huckabee's statement isn't a lie.

Perhaps, but I think it is pretty clear that it was intended to be deceptive which is just as bad if not worse depending on who you ask.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Thump553

Huckabee's factual lie greatly surprised me, for it came seconds after an apparently heartfelt and classy discourse about race relations in America, and how we all should be proud that Obama made it to where is was not because of his race, but in indifference to it.

Technically speaking, Biden has received zero votes for Presdient, hasn't he? He's recevied bunches of votes for Democratic Nomination for President. Splitting hairs, I know, but while deceptive in a speech, Huckabee's statement isn't a lie.

Perhaps, but I think it is pretty clear that it was intended to be deceptive which is just as bad if not worse depending on who you ask.

On the other hand, I think you're discounting that possibly (probably?) the intended audience (the delegates) did realize that Biden received no Presidential votes.

 

[HomerJS]

She put down community organizers in that smug sarcastic tone. Look up the history of COs and you will see some notables. One outstanding one Martin Luther King Jr.

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[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
She put down community organizers in that smug sarcastic tone. Look up the history of COs and you will see some notables. One outstanding one Martin Luther King Jr.

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I think the community organizer line was a response to the Obama camp disparaging her service as a mayor... I mean, running a couple get out the vote drives in chicago is somehow more important than serving on a city council and being a mayor?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: HomerJS
She put down community organizers in that smug sarcastic tone. Look up the history of COs and you will see some notables. One outstanding one Martin Luther King Jr.

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I think the community organizer line was a response to the Obama camp disparaging her service as a mayor... I mean, running a couple get out the vote drives in chicago is somehow more important than serving on a city council and being a mayor?

No, it's the same argument as always. Obama has never claimed to be deeply experienced. It is just ridiculous for a campaign who has nominated someone who has as little experience as Palin to attack him on it. It's like saying that I'm wealthier than you because I have a dime and you only have a nickel. In the end we're both poor.

 

[evident]

FACT CHECK - mccain lies about obama tax plan

But as i found out in another thread, all the right wingers in here think this factcheck website is librul and inaccurate... dunno

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: Dari
Her speech wasn't inspiring or substantive at all. Just attacks and snarky comments. Biden's was better. How strange.

I didn't have high hopes that you or any of the Ds attacking her all week would like her speach... I don't think any of us Rs or Cons.

 

[yuppiejr]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
She put down community organizers in that smug sarcastic tone. Look up the history of COs and you will see some notables. One outstanding one Martin Luther King Jr.

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She did not put down Community Organizers, she contrasted the the leadership experience and responsibility of OBAMA's work as a CO that is relevant to the office of president compared to that gained governing a state.

Lets dig in to how extensive his experience was while acting as a CO since you're mentioning names like Martin Luther King...

Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side.[12][14] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama


Wow, managing 13 people and a $400k budget - this guy is obviously presidential material... Not exactly the same caliber as governing a state of 670,053 people with a $2.9 billion state budget.

 

[OrByte]

I couldn't believe the rhetoric that Palin was speaking last night about Obama's tax plan.

According to her speech last night everyone is going to get a tax increase under Obama's plan.

That was simply a lie. I am happy to hear that these lies are being noticed.

And it should not go ignored.

It's sad to see the GOP lying to America on such a big important stage.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Thump553

Huckabee's factual lie greatly surprised me, for it came seconds after an apparently heartfelt and classy discourse about race relations in America, and how we all should be proud that Obama made it to where is was not because of his race, but in indifference to it.

Technically speaking, Biden has received zero votes for Presdient, hasn't he? He's recevied bunches of votes for Democratic Nomination for President. Splitting hairs, I know, but while deceptive in a speech, Huckabee's statement isn't a lie.

Perhaps, but I think it is pretty clear that it was intended to be deceptive which is just as bad if not worse depending on who you ask.

On the other hand, I think you're discounting that possibly (probably?) the intended audience (the delegates) did realize that Biden received no Presidential votes.

Ya that could be the case too, but there are many ways to skin the cat if you wish to express such a thing to the audience. The way he did it was obviously very dirty and deceptive. I realize he is a politician and such things are to be expected, but I still hold them accountable for their decisions and what they choose to say just like everyone else.

I am currently supporting Dems more this election, but I am not some kind of avid anti-repub guy either. This sort of thing doesn't help their cause when it comes to people like me and it is clear their cause is to try to swing current Obama supporters to vote for them so...ya. It wasn't the end of the universe or anything but I believe his statement did shoot his party in the foot.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: yuppiejr
After last night's speech I fully understand why the leftists have been gunning so hard at this woman for the last week.

Fact is, her "attacks" on Obama were reasonable challenges on ISSUES and his record as a public servant. She didn't attack his kids, she didn't go after his college coke habits, she and the other speakers went after his voting record (or lack therof) and his positions which is exactly what political opponents are supposed to do. I would expect the Obama campaign to do the same thing and raise issue with McCain/Palin on their stances and record as well - it's part of the process.

I don't know what kind of slap fight hugging contest you people expect but what I heard last night was a political candidate introducing herself, presenting her credentials/positions and highlighting differences in her stance versus her opponent's. If Obama can't handle having his positions scrutinized publicly perhaps he doesn't have the chops to be president where every decision he makes will be scrutinized by his countrymen and the international community.

I think you pretty much got it, I didn't find anything she said to be a low blow at all and thought she did quite well... of course, I'm not a lib limping away from the fight wondering how they can re-group. Obama and his supporters have pretty thin skin.

Originally posted by: Thump553
A main function of the VP candidate is to be the attack dog. She was certainly within the bounds of conventional tactics to go after Obama last night. As an armchair quarterback I would have written that introductory speech differently-most of it would have been focused on the badly needed introduction of who she really is and humanizing her (like Michelle Obama's speech) and a smaller focus on inspirational topics, to get people excited about the GOP. In this particular situation, I would have greatly minimalized the attack dog aspects for now.

I'm not sure how good an attack dog she will be, she was pretty transparently snarky last night. She's definately no Bob Dole by a huge margin.

Huckabee's factual lie greatly surprised me, for it came seconds after an apparently heartfelt and classy discourse about race relations in America, and how we all should be proud that Obama made it to where is was not because of his race, but in indifference to it.

She didn't need to have the inspirational topics, Romney & Huckabee covered that, Giuliani also had a role in that as well as listing her qualifications. The Rs had an introductory video that would have taken care of the introduction of who she was, but they ran out of time and couldn't play it.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: OrByte
I couldn't believe the rhetoric that Palin was speaking last night about Obama's tax plan.

According to her speech last night everyone is going to get a tax increase under Obama's plan.

That was simply a lie. I am happy to hear that these lies are being noticed.

And it should not go ignored.

It's sad to see the GOP lying to America on such a big important stage.

If you increase the taxes on a business who will pay that increase??

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
There is a tremendous difference between random bloggers making false claims and featured party spokesmen willfully lying in prime time speeches. Surely you can see the this?

No, they can't. That would require self-honesty.

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
So, as I was watching the "more liberal than liberals" convention, I began to wonder, when will people recognize that the "Republicans" in this party are nothing more than tax-spend-debt liberals?

:thumbsup: