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Sharon: Israel will never leave the West Bank

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
He gave up Gaza for two reasons. Number one: Big global PR move. Number two: The Palestinians are doubling their numbers every generation, and the Israelis couldn't control that many people if they tried.

that 8.000 isrealis among 1.300.000 palestinians needing protection of about 20.000 israeli soldiers is just a bit unrealistic
 
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?
 
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
If Israel has no plans to leave the West Bank, how does it explain this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8931552/

SANUR, West Bank - Thousands of troops stormed the main bastions of resistance to the evacuation of two West Bank settlements Tuesday, clearing out hundreds of extremists opposed to Israel?s first dismantling of West Bank settlements.

Security forces had said they expected the evacuation of Sanur and Homesh to be the most violent phase of the Israeli pullout from the Gaza Strip and four northern West Bank settlements, but resistance was surprisingly mild.

....
tlc.. you forgot to read the article again

I read it. It's more a beef with the OP in that I find it a wee misleading.


Read the article. Israel, as part of its Gaza withdrawl effort this month, is also pulling out of a handful of West Bank settlements.

Since that plan was announced, Sharon has said there will never be any further or "second" withdrawl.

Learn to read.
 
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?

Certainly not all of them do. However, enough of them have and continue to do so, and this makes it impossible for me to have a positive impression of the group as a whole. So.. No sympathy. None. Zero.

And if that offends your delicate sensibilities, I don't care.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?

Certainly not all of them do. However, enough of them have and continue to do so, and this makes it impossible for me to have a positive impression of the group as a whole. So.. No sympathy. None. Zero.

And if that offends your delicate sensibilities, I don't care.

Just for the record... I agree 100% that there are a LOT of Palestinians who support terror and that they should have consequences for that. I am 100% against their methods.

However, I hope you are also aware that Jews conducted a ruthless and bloody terror campaign against the British in the first half of this century that left hundreds dead and wounded.

There are few innocents in this story.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

So basically what you're saying, any country that invades another country and wins, now it is their land to rule....thank god not the whole world is as selfish and stupid as you or we would be living in a Nazi world.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?

Certainly not all of them do. However, enough of them have and continue to do so, and this makes it impossible for me to have a positive impression of the group as a whole. So.. No sympathy. None. Zero.

And if that offends your delicate sensibilities, I don't care.

So because there is a few bad apples, you are judging everyone.....great guy right here. Like I said, thank god not everyone is like you.
 
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?

Certainly not all of them do. However, enough of them have and continue to do so, and this makes it impossible for me to have a positive impression of the group as a whole. So.. No sympathy. None. Zero.

And if that offends your delicate sensibilities, I don't care.

So because there is a few bad apples, you are judging everyone.....great guy right here. Like I said, thank god not everyone is like you.

Again, for the record, there are more than a few "bad apples" among the Palestinians who support terror. I don't have the exact numbers at hand, but it's safe to say that at least a large minority of the population supports terror. (Might even be a majority in more recent polls).

Edit: here are some hard numbers from 2003, the Jpost:

"Fifty-nine percent of Palestinians believe that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad should continue their armed struggle against Israel even if Israel leaves all of the West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem, and a Palestinian state is created, a new survey shows."

In other words, 59% of Palestinians believe in terror attacks even if Israel withdraws to 1967 borders!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

So basically what you're saying, any country that invades another country and wins, now it is their land to rule....thank god not the whole world is as selfish and stupid as you or we would be living in a Nazi world.


I'm Osage American Indian. Are you saying you will leave this country and go back to Europe or where ever your people are from?
 
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?

Certainly not all of them do. However, enough of them have and continue to do so, and this makes it impossible for me to have a positive impression of the group as a whole. So.. No sympathy. None. Zero.

And if that offends your delicate sensibilities, I don't care.

So because there is a few bad apples, you are judging everyone.....great guy right here. Like I said, thank god not everyone is like you.

Again, for the record, there are more than a few "bad apples" among the Palestinians who support terror. I don't have the exact numbers at hand, but it's safe to say that at least a large minority of the population supports terror. (Might even be a majority in more recent polls).

Edit: here are some hard numbers from 2003, the Jpost:

"Fifty-nine percent of Palestinians believe that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad should continue their armed struggle against Israel even if Israel leaves all of the West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem, and a Palestinian state is created, a new survey shows."

In other words, 59% of Palestinians believe in terror attacks even if Israel withdraws to 1967 borders!!!!!!!!!!!

They're NOT for terorr...they're for taking their land back, they support the freedom fighters against Israel.
 
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?

Certainly not all of them do. However, enough of them have and continue to do so, and this makes it impossible for me to have a positive impression of the group as a whole. So.. No sympathy. None. Zero.

And if that offends your delicate sensibilities, I don't care.

So because there is a few bad apples, you are judging everyone.....great guy right here. Like I said, thank god not everyone is like you.

Again, for the record, there are more than a few "bad apples" among the Palestinians who support terror. I don't have the exact numbers at hand, but it's safe to say that at least a large minority of the population supports terror. (Might even be a majority in more recent polls).

Edit: here are some hard numbers from 2003, the Jpost:

"Fifty-nine percent of Palestinians believe that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad should continue their armed struggle against Israel even if Israel leaves all of the West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem, and a Palestinian state is created, a new survey shows."

In other words, 59% of Palestinians believe in terror attacks even if Israel withdraws to 1967 borders!!!!!!!!!!!

They're NOT for terorr...they're for taking their land back, they support the freedom fighters against Israel.

You call them freedom fighters, but their methods are blowing up civilians in nightclubs and cafes. I call them terrorists.
 
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Originally posted by: mOeeOm

They're NOT for terorr...they're for taking their land back, they support the freedom fighters against Israel.

Where are you from mOeeOm?

Mid east 🙂[/quote]

Funny cause it said American before your edit. Anyway maybe you live here now, are you going to leave my ancestors Indian land and go back to where your ancestors are from?
 
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?

Certainly not all of them do. However, enough of them have and continue to do so, and this makes it impossible for me to have a positive impression of the group as a whole. So.. No sympathy. None. Zero.

And if that offends your delicate sensibilities, I don't care.

So because there is a few bad apples, you are judging everyone.....great guy right here. Like I said, thank god not everyone is like you.

Again, for the record, there are more than a few "bad apples" among the Palestinians who support terror. I don't have the exact numbers at hand, but it's safe to say that at least a large minority of the population supports terror. (Might even be a majority in more recent polls).

Edit: here are some hard numbers from 2003, the Jpost:

"Fifty-nine percent of Palestinians believe that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad should continue their armed struggle against Israel even if Israel leaves all of the West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem, and a Palestinian state is created, a new survey shows."

In other words, 59% of Palestinians believe in terror attacks even if Israel withdraws to 1967 borders!!!!!!!!!!!

They're NOT for terorr...they're for taking their land back, they support the freedom fighters against Israel.

You call them freedom fighters, but their methods are blowing up civilians in nightclubs and cafes. I call them terrorists.

The only thing that is truly going to satisfy the Palestinians is if the Jews flat out leave and go somewhere else (another country). They will never settle for anything less, at least in the short term.....
 
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?

Certainly not all of them do. However, enough of them have and continue to do so, and this makes it impossible for me to have a positive impression of the group as a whole. So.. No sympathy. None. Zero.

And if that offends your delicate sensibilities, I don't care.

So because there is a few bad apples, you are judging everyone.....great guy right here. Like I said, thank god not everyone is like you.

Again, for the record, there are more than a few "bad apples" among the Palestinians who support terror. I don't have the exact numbers at hand, but it's safe to say that at least a large minority of the population supports terror. (Might even be a majority in more recent polls).

Edit: here are some hard numbers from 2003, the Jpost:

"Fifty-nine percent of Palestinians believe that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad should continue their armed struggle against Israel even if Israel leaves all of the West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem, and a Palestinian state is created, a new survey shows."

In other words, 59% of Palestinians believe in terror attacks even if Israel withdraws to 1967 borders!!!!!!!!!!!

They're NOT for terorr...they're for taking their land back, they support the freedom fighters against Israel.

You call them freedom fighters, but their methods are blowing up civilians in nightclubs and cafes. I call them terrorists.

Ya because the Jews don't blow up civilians :S
 
Originally posted by: Jmman
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: LordSegan
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Why does any culture/country/people have any land? Because they were strong enough to kick out everyone else who wanted to live there. Istanbul used to be the center of the Eastern Roman Empire until the Muslims kicked the Romans out. Spain belonged to the Moors at one point until they were driven out. Hell, if it weren't for Charles Martel, Europe would have had an Islamic Middle Ages. Why does the US belong to the descendants of European colonists? Because they kicked out/exterminated/relocated the native American population. This is human nature, and will never change.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinians. None whatsoever. They can die off for all I care.

Guess that means you would have had no sympathy for the Jews in World War 2 either

Not true. I have no sympathy for the Palestinians largely because I despise Islam and its embrace of the concepts of terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, suicide bombing, jihad...

....and all Palestinians embrace terrorism, deliberate targeting of civilians, sucicide bombing and jihad? Is that right?

Certainly not all of them do. However, enough of them have and continue to do so, and this makes it impossible for me to have a positive impression of the group as a whole. So.. No sympathy. None. Zero.

And if that offends your delicate sensibilities, I don't care.

So because there is a few bad apples, you are judging everyone.....great guy right here. Like I said, thank god not everyone is like you.

Again, for the record, there are more than a few "bad apples" among the Palestinians who support terror. I don't have the exact numbers at hand, but it's safe to say that at least a large minority of the population supports terror. (Might even be a majority in more recent polls).

Edit: here are some hard numbers from 2003, the Jpost:

"Fifty-nine percent of Palestinians believe that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad should continue their armed struggle against Israel even if Israel leaves all of the West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem, and a Palestinian state is created, a new survey shows."

In other words, 59% of Palestinians believe in terror attacks even if Israel withdraws to 1967 borders!!!!!!!!!!!

They're NOT for terorr...they're for taking their land back, they support the freedom fighters against Israel.

You call them freedom fighters, but their methods are blowing up civilians in nightclubs and cafes. I call them terrorists.

The only thing that is truly going to satisfy the Palestinians is if the Jews flat out leave and go somewhere else (another country). They will never settle for anything less, at least in the short term.....

Naw, they'll be happy if the Jews stopped trying to take over their land, but now its too late, the Jews have already shown they want to take over, so the Palestines don't even want to share the land with them anymore because they know any chance they get the Jews will attempt to take over again....no one needs that.
 
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Jmman


The only thing that is truly going to satisfy the Palestinians is if the Jews flat out leave and go somewhere else (another country). They will never settle for anything less, at least in the short term.....

Naw, they'll be happy if the Jews stopped trying to take over their land, but now its too late, the Jews have already shown they want to take over, so the Palestines don't even want to share the land with them anymore because they know any chance they get the Jews will attempt to take over again....no one needs that.

Of course the fact that the Arabs attempted to take over the Jewish lands multiple times will have no bearing.

 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: mOeeOm
Originally posted by: Jmman


The only thing that is truly going to satisfy the Palestinians is if the Jews flat out leave and go somewhere else (another country). They will never settle for anything less, at least in the short term.....

Naw, they'll be happy if the Jews stopped trying to take over their land, but now its too late, the Jews have already shown they want to take over, so the Palestines don't even want to share the land with them anymore because they know any chance they get the Jews will attempt to take over again....no one needs that.

Of course the fact that the Arabs attempted to take over the Jewish lands multiple times will have no bearing.

And those are?
 
Review the history of the Arab military attacks with Israel.
48,56,67,73
Link - Time

Comparison of what they have been up against. Look at the actual numbers relating to the map, and ignore any political statements from the following site.
Link


Remember that Israel is only about the size of New Jersey and can be crossed in under 60 minutes at the narrowest point.

Trans-Jordan and Syria tried to slice it in two, Israel had to originally give up 10-15 miles of territory against the invasions until they could recover and repell the attacks.

Given these actual facts without political implications, one can understand why the Israel leaders are reluctant to release territory that acts as a buffer against hostile forces.

The Palestinians have not shown that they will not attack and one of their "political" parties continually state that they want Israel destroyed (not just "occupied" territories released).

When there are celebrations of suicide bombers what should Israel think?

 
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