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Sharon cuts ties with Abbas, Israeli media says

Aimster

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JERUSALEM - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has cut all contact with Mahmoud Abbas until the newly elected Palestinian leader reins in the militants, media reports said.

The report, which was carried by three Israeli television stations, came a day after Palestinian militants killed six Israeli civilians in a bombing-and-shooting attack on a Gaza Strip crossing.

Sharon?s office had no comment on the report. The stations did not cite any sources.

Earlier on Friday, Israel sealed off the Gaza Strip but signaled it would hold off on harsh retaliation for the Gaza attack, giving Abbas a chance to rein in violent groups.

Thursday night?s bombing-and-shooting attack at the Karni crossing, Gaza?s main lifeline, marked the militants? first major challenge to Abbas, who has spoken out against violence and said he would try to negotiate a truce.

Three Palestinian gunmen were killed in the attack, and three armed groups claimed responsibility, including Hamas and the Al Aqsa Martyrs? Brigades, which has ties to Abbas? ruling Fatah movement.

Abbas said both the Karni attack and Israeli military operations in recent days ?do not benefit the peace process.? An Israeli Arab legislator who met Abbas on Friday, said the Palestinian leader remains committed to persuading the armed groups to halt attacks.

However, the lawmaker, Taleb Al Sana told Israel Army Radio that Abbas was upset with Israel for holding him responsible for attacks before he has even been sworn in as Palestinian leader.

Israel and the United States have said they would judge Abbas, who was elected to replace the late Yasser Arafat and is to be inaugurated Saturday, by his actions.

Israeli Justice Minister Tzipi Livni suggested Friday that Israel would give Abbas, widely known as Abu Mazen, more time to deal with the militants.

'Abu Mazen does not have 100 days of grace'
But Housing Minister Yitzhak Herzog warned that Israel?s patience would soon run out. ?Israel will not accept a reality of continuous terror against innocent civilians. Abu Mazen does not have 100 days of grace,? Herzog said speaking at a funeral for a victim of the Karni attack.

In response to the attack, Israel closed the Karni and Erez crossings, leaving Gaza largely isolated. Goods flow in and out of the fenced-in coastal strip through Karni, and the Erez crossing is used by journalists, diplomats and some Palestinian workers with jobs in Israel.

The Israeli military had eased checking at Karni in recent weeks. A third major Gaza crossing near the southern town of Rafah, used by Palestinian travelers, was closed last month after an attack there killed five Israeli soldiers.

The closures renewed hardships for Palestinians just a week before a major Muslim holiday, Eid al-Adha, a time for shopping and family visits. Many Palestinians, exhausted after more than four years of fighting, grumbled about the militants targeting crossings.

Adnan al-Khalabi, who owns a small clothing store in the Jebaliya refugee camp, said he and other shopowners were expecting holiday merchandise to come in through Karni. ?This operation is going to leave a negative impact on our lives,? he said. ?I am proud of the fighters who work for our interest, but they should think twice before choosing a target.?

Abbas has said he will not use force against militants. Instead, he is expected to try to co-opt them by asking Al Aqsa gunmen, many of them former policemen, to return to their jobs, and by offering Hamas a say in decision-making. The Islamic militant group also has said it would participate in legislative elections in July.

In coming weeks, Abbas is to conduct Egyptian-brokered talks with the militants in Gaza and in Cairo. Egypt has renewed a proposal for a one-year suspension of attacks, according to a senior Hamas official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman, said the attack ?was a message to the Israeli enemy, definitely not to Abu Mazen.? He said meetings with Abbas would resume soon ?to organize the Palestinian house.?

But the top Hamas official in the West Bank, Hassan Yousef, said the group is ready to suspend attacks as part of a deal with Abbas. Asked about Thursday?s attack, Yousef said Hamas had freedom of action as long as no agreement has been reached.

'Zero tolerance'
Israeli Transport Minister Meir Shetreet said Abbas? attempt at persuasion would fail and he must crack down. ?There has to be zero tolerance for terrorists,? Shetreet told Israel Radio. ?If he (Abbas) doesn?t do this, he misses a great opportunity to lead the Palestinians in a different direction.?

In the attack, just before 11 p.m. Thursday, militants detonated dozens of pounds of explosives and blew out a large hole in a door in a security wall at the crossing, said Israeli Brig. Gen. Aviv Kochavi, commander in the Gaza division.

The European Union condemned the attack in the Gaza Strip and urged Abbas to help stop further violence. Both sides, it said in a statement in Brussels, Belgium, should ?ensure that such acts do not sabotage the efforts for a negotiated, just and lasting peace.?

Israel intends to pull out of Gaza in the summer. Militant groups have been stepping up their attacks in recent months to try to show that they are forcing the Israelis out. A month ago, soldiers discovered a tunnel militants were digging toward the Karni checkpoint in an attempt to blow it up.

Also Friday, the Palestinian security chief announced the creation of an elite, 750 member, unit to fight crime in the chaotic Gaza Strip.

The Palestinians have been trying to rebuild their security forces, which were weakened by more than four years of fighting with Israel. Since 2000, Israel has repeatedly targeted Palestinian police installations in response to attacks by Palestinian militants.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6775311/

 
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.
 
This is stupid IMO. You will always have people wanting to fight. You will always have a group of people in Palestine who only know how to fight. If Israel wants to push out Abbas now then Abbas will simply understand the cause of the people who want to fight and he will side with them. If this is how Israel is going to handle the situation then there will never be peace.

Sharon needs to go.
 
http://english.aljazeera.net/N...-8458-0B63E9F0BF04.htm

Thousands of Palestinians marched in the streets of Jabalya refugee camp in the Gaza Strip in what they described as a victory march. The Friday march followed the killing of the Israelis by fighters who mounted their strongest challenge yet to Abbas and his call for resistance groups to lay down their arms.

"We will continue to chase you and disrupt your sleep until you leave the land you occupied," the resistance groups said in a statement.

The new leader has urged a ceasefire after four years of bloodshed during the second intifada (uprising) to allow for the resumption of talks with Israel on peace and Palestinian statehood.

The ceasefire call has been rejected by resistance groups who argue that Israel must also abandon its military offensive. Abbas, also known as Abu Mazin, hopes to co-opt rather than confront the resistance groups.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
This is stupid IMO. You will always have people wanting to fight. You will always have a group of people in Palestine who only know how to fight. If Israel wants to push out Abbas now then Abbas will simply understand the cause of the people who want to fight and he will side with them. If this is how Israel is going to handle the situation then there will never be peace.

Sharon needs to go.
:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
This is stupid IMO. You will always have people wanting to fight. You will always have a group of people in Palestine who only know how to fight. If Israel wants to push out Abbas now then Abbas will simply understand the cause of the people who want to fight and he will side with them. If this is how Israel is going to handle the situation then there will never be peace.

Sharon needs to go.

Well, I can agree with you in regards to Sharon, however, don't think so highly of Abbas. He is the chosen predecessor to Arafat, BY Arafat. I think in the end, they will be one in the same, whether or not people relaize it. Abbas seems to be another master of deceit.
 
The Palestinians have been trying to rebuild their security forces, which were weakened by more than four years of fighting with Israel. Since 2000, Israel has repeatedly targeted Palestinian police installations in response to attacks by Palestinian militants.

And there lies one of the most shrewd moves by the Israelis to ensure that chaos remains in the Palestinian territories, so there will always be an excuse for Israel to continue to occupy the land.

Yeah, let's destroy your entire crime fighting infrastructure then demand you reign in the cirminals.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Aimster
This is stupid IMO. You will always have people wanting to fight. You will always have a group of people in Palestine who only know how to fight. If Israel wants to push out Abbas now then Abbas will simply understand the cause of the people who want to fight and he will side with them. If this is how Israel is going to handle the situation then there will never be peace.

Sharon needs to go.

Well, I can agree with you in regards to Sharon, however, don't think so highly of Abbas. He is the chosen predecessor to Arafat, BY Arafat. I think in the end, they will be one in the same, whether or not people relaize it. Abbas seems to be another master of deceit.

Uhh ok... read this please

 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews
Maybe if Israel stopped...oh...I don't know...illegally occupying their land?
 
Originally posted by: lozina
The Palestinians have been trying to rebuild their security forces, which were weakened by more than four years of fighting with Israel. Since 2000, Israel has repeatedly targeted Palestinian police installations in response to attacks by Palestinian militants.

And there lies one of the most shrewd moves by the Israelis to ensure that chaos remains in the Palestinian territories, so there will always be an excuse for Israel to continue to occupy the land.

Yeah, let's destroy your entire crime fighting infrastructure then demand you reign in the cirminals.

ha, you actually believe the Palestinian security forces prevent terrorist attacks against Israel? well they sure havent done a good job for the last decade, and plus many of them even help these terrorists carry out attacks against Israel
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews
Maybe if Israel stopped...oh...I don't know...illegally occupying their land?

not their land, buddy
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews

Are you refining your trolling skills?

Well I won't bite, maybe someone else will.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: lozina
The Palestinians have been trying to rebuild their security forces, which were weakened by more than four years of fighting with Israel. Since 2000, Israel has repeatedly targeted Palestinian police installations in response to attacks by Palestinian militants.

And there lies one of the most shrewd moves by the Israelis to ensure that chaos remains in the Palestinian territories, so there will always be an excuse for Israel to continue to occupy the land.

Yeah, let's destroy your entire crime fighting infrastructure then demand you reign in the cirminals.

ha, you actually believe the Palestinian security forces prevent terrorist attacks against Israel? well they sure havent done a good job for the last decade, and plus many of them even help these terrorists carry out attacks against Israel


Does the police in the U.S stop people from murdering? No.

Common Sense.

Raildogg the man with no facts but pure rambling. Palestinian security forces help terrorist now. Then why does Israel continue to allow them to be armed? 😕
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews
Maybe if Israel stopped...oh...I don't know...illegally occupying their land?
not their land, buddy
Oh? Really? Then why do they live there?
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews
Maybe if Israel stopped...oh...I don't know...illegally occupying their land?

not their land, buddy

It isn't their land because they are Muslim, right?
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews
Maybe if Israel stopped...oh...I don't know...illegally occupying their land?
not their land, buddy
Oh? Really? Then why do they live there?

blame the British for that
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews
Maybe if Israel stopped...oh...I don't know...illegally occupying their land?
not their land, buddy
Oh? Really? Then why do they live there?
blame the British for that
Blame the British for handing it over to the UN?
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews
Maybe if Israel stopped...oh...I don't know...illegally occupying their land?
not their land, buddy
Oh? Really? Then why do they live there?
blame the British for that
Blame the British for handing it over to the UN?

if that makes you happy, then yes
 
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Is anyone really surprised? The only hope would be if that fat pig Sharon had a heart attack.

and what about the terrorists?? they are the ones who caused this response from Israel

If terrorism stopped, Israel would sit down with Abbas and discuss peace, I am waiting for that day to happen.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Big surprise. The Israelis want to keep the Palestinians in a state of flux and chaos until they've completed their colonization of all of "Israel." Abbas was never going to get a chance from Sharon.

well until the Palestinians can stop the violence, they will have to suffer. just too damn bad

Israel has said that if terrorist attacks stop, talks about peace can begin. guess the Palestinians cant stop themselves from killing innocent Jews
Maybe if Israel stopped...oh...I don't know...illegally occupying their land?

not their land, buddy

have you read about the arab israeli conflict at all? israel came in and took that land, kicking many families out with nothing but what they could carry.
 
Well Israel has right to the land because of all the archeological evidence there. The Israeli's have been there for 3,000 years. As you know there was Israel up till the Roman Empire.

Also during World War 1, Jews helped Britain a great deal, so the British said they were going to give the Jews a homeland.

And of course Israel has a biblical right to the land.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Well Israel has right to the land because of all the archeological evidence there. The Israeli's have been there for 3,000 years. As you know there was Israel up till the Roman Empire.

Also during World War 1, Jews helped Britain a great deal, so the British said they were going to give the Jews a homeland.

And of course Israel has a biblical right to the land.

biblical right? So you are saying their religion is superior to the Palestinians religion.

and how long have the Palestinians been there???
 
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