Shaq and Kobe go at it

[Francodman]

Jim Gray's interview

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Uh oh, looks like Kobe is pretty pissed. This was written by a fellow over at another forum who watched Sports Center's coverage of a Jim Grey interview about 30 minutes ago. Here's a summary of what Kobe said: On who's team it is: Doesn't matter whose team it is, nobody cares, but since it is his team no more coming into camp fat and out of shape. And when your team is counting on you for leadership on and off the court no more blaming others for the team's failures. Or blaming staff members for not dramatizing your injuries so that you can avoid the blame for your lack of conditioning. Contract/Opting Out: Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 plus million dollar deal in the media when we have 2 future hall of famers playing here for pretty much free. Some of the Big News Now: My Knee is not strong enough to play yet. I know it. When it is, I will play. But I don?t need Shaq's advice on how to play hurt. I've playing with IV's before, during and after games. I don?t miss 15 games because of a toe injury that everybody knows is not that serious at all. Probably not, will not play tomorrow night. If leaving Los Angeles is what I decide to do a major reason will be Shaq's child-like selfishness and jealousy. He is not quote unquote big brother. A big brother would've called to support. I heard absolutely nothing from him. I spoke to Devean, Rick, Mitch, Phil, and owner Jerry Buss. Shaq's own uncle called 3 times. Other teammates reached out and left messages like Derek, Mark, and Slava Opponents like Webber, Maggette, and other's left messages. Even Michael Jordan who didn?t have my number tracked me down and left his support, same as Tiger Woods. But yet, nothing, nothing at all from my so called big brother. Asked Phil Sunday to do something before this boils over but he backed away and so were here right now. Apparently, Kobe said even more than this.

Dayam, that's some serious crap.

Kobe's really pissed about the off court stuff and has a shorter fuse than ever now, but I don't blame him for not taking shaq's crap. I'm glad he's not being a pansy about it.

Shaq screwed up the lakers season last year by being out of shape, late surgery etc. and not playing near what he's capable of - he was the laker killer last year, NOT kobe, so shaq should quit worrying about what kobe might do.

And thats deplorable that he never called Kobe in the offseason. Kobe was right, he's no 'big brother' after that and shaq made himself just a 'co-worker' instead.

Hopefully Shaq will just STFU and quit trying to rip the team apart.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Dayam, that's some serious crap.

Kobe's really pissed about the off court stuff and has a shorter fuse than ever now, but I don't blame him for not taking shaq's crap. I'm glad he's not being a pansy about it.

Shaq screwed up the lakers season last year by being out of shape, late surgery etc. and not playing near what he's capable of - he was the laker killer last year, NOT kobe, so shaq should quit worrying about what kobe might do.

And thats deplorable that he never called Kobe in the offseason. Kobe was right, he's no 'big brother' after that and shaq made himself just a 'co-worker' instead.

Hopefully Shaq will just STFU and quit trying to rip the team apart.

Agreed. Shaq really needs to stop the childish antics, I just wish Kobe wouldn't fire back like this publicly, and instead do it to Shaq's face privately. It just makes them look like sandbox 2 year olds.

 

[First]

dp

 

[iamme]

i just read the entire Jim Gray interview. DAMN.

Kobe just called out Shaq as a leader, teammate, athlete, and friend. When Kobe said "Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 million [dollars] plus per year deal in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers playing here pretty much for free.", that pretty much made Shaq look like an ass.

Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win, it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy.

Kobe's definitely let out some frustration with Shaq that must have been building up. I wonder if he's just super-stressed from his legal and marital problems, or if Shaq has just been that much of an ass, or maybe both.

 

[SilentZero]

As if Kobe doesn't have enough to stress about.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Uh oh, looks like Kobe is pretty pissed. This was written by a fellow over at another forum who watched Sports Center's coverage of a Jim Grey interview about 30 minutes ago. Here's a summary of what Kobe said: On who's team it is: Doesn't matter whose team it is, nobody cares, but since it is his team no more coming into camp fat and out of shape. And when your team is counting on you for leadership on and off the court no more blaming others for the team's failures. Or blaming staff members for not dramatizing your injuries so that you can avoid the blame for your lack of conditioning. Contract/Opting Out: Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 plus million dollar deal in the media when we have 2 future hall of famers playing here for pretty much free. Some of the Big News Now: My Knee is not strong enough to play yet. I know it. When it is, I will play. But I don?t need Shaq's advice on how to play hurt. I've playing with IV's before, during and after games. I don?t miss 15 games because of a toe injury that everybody knows is not that serious at all. Probably not, will not play tomorrow night. If leaving Los Angeles is what I decide to do a major reason will be Shaq's child-like selfishness and jealousy. He is not quote unquote big brother. A big brother would've called to support. I heard absolutely nothing from him. I spoke to Devean, Rick, Mitch, Phil, and owner Jerry Buss. Shaq's own uncle called 3 times. Other teammates reached out and left messages like Derek, Mark, and Slava Opponents like Webber, Maggette, and other's left messages. Even Michael Jordan who didn?t have my number tracked me down and left his support, same as Tiger Woods. But yet, nothing, nothing at all from my so called big brother. Asked Phil Sunday to do something before this boils over but he backed away and so were here right now. Apparently, Kobe said even more than this.

Dayam, that's some serious crap.

Kobe's really pissed about the off court stuff and has a shorter fuse than ever now, but I don't blame him for not taking shaq's crap. I'm glad he's not being a pansy about it.

Shaq screwed up the lakers season last year by being out of shape, late surgery etc. and not playing near what he's capable of - he was the laker killer last year, NOT kobe, so shaq should quit worrying about what kobe might do.

And thats deplorable that he never called Kobe in the offseason. Kobe was right, he's no 'big brother' after that and shaq made himself just a 'co-worker' instead.

Hopefully Shaq will just STFU and quit trying to rip the team apart.

Well one could easily say, and its true, that Kobe in the years hes been with the Lakers has never tried getting to know anyone. No one on the team knows him personally, no one in the NBA knows him personally, and thats his own doing.

 

[z0mb13]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: jjsole
Dayam, that's some serious crap.

Kobe's really pissed about the off court stuff and has a shorter fuse than ever now, but I don't blame him for not taking shaq's crap. I'm glad he's not being a pansy about it.

Shaq screwed up the lakers season last year by being out of shape, late surgery etc. and not playing near what he's capable of - he was the laker killer last year, NOT kobe, so shaq should quit worrying about what kobe might do.

And thats deplorable that he never called Kobe in the offseason. Kobe was right, he's no 'big brother' after that and shaq made himself just a 'co-worker' instead.

Hopefully Shaq will just STFU and quit trying to rip the team apart.

Agreed. Shaq really needs to stop the childish antics, I just wish Kobe wouldn't fire back like this publicly, and instead do it to Shaq's face privately. It just makes them look like sandbox 2 year olds.

its all about image and the bling bling..

shaq slaps kobe in the face publicly.. kobe has to do the same publicly as well..

IMO shaq has the bigger ego, he feels lakers is nothing w/o him..

 

[shimsham]

they sound like two women.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Well one could easily say, and its true, that Kobe in the years hes been with the Lakers has never tried getting to know anyone. No one on the team knows him personally, no one in the NBA knows him personally, and thats his own doing.

that doesn't explain how, when he was in legal trouble, many players (nearly all his teammates) contacted him in support......except Shaq.

 

[stormbv]

I think their two massive egos combined is too much for even Phil Jackson to handle.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: iamme

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Well one could easily say, and its true, that Kobe in the years hes been with the Lakers has never tried getting to know anyone. No one on the team knows him personally, no one in the NBA knows him personally, and thats his own doing.

that doesn't explain how, when he was in legal trouble, many players (nearly all his teammates) contacted him in support......except Shaq.

lets not kid ourselves, Shaq and Kobe have never been friends. And yah I do mainly blame it on Kobe, maybe its not his fault this time around, but there have been many rounds that it has been his fault.

 

[dvdrdiscs]

I wouldn't blame Kobe for opting out next year and signing with another team. Then I'd love to see Kobe dunk all over Shaq.

 

[iamme]

Originally posted by: dvdrdiscs
I wouldn't blame Kobe for opting out next year and signing with another team. Then I'd love to see Kobe dunk all over Shaq.

welcome to Anandtech

 

[xenocyd3]

Originally posted by: dvdrdiscs
I wouldn't blame Kobe for opting out next year and signing with another team. Then I'd love to see Kobe dunk all over Shaq.

but then i'd love to see shaq pack the sh*t out of kobe

 

[Rufio]

Shaq sucks.
I never liked him.

KObe all the way.

Shaq is a childish idiot who thinks he's the sh!t just becuase he was blessed w/genetics.

Kobe has developed his skill and game to be the best and that takes much more work than being a big man.

Besides, we have Malone now, and Malone will hook Kobe up w/the ball just like he did to Stockton on the Jazz.

I'm glad Kobe finally spoke up about everything, and called Shaq out. If it's true nad Shaq didn't call Kobe up during the trial and stuff, I wouldn't respect him either. Hell, I went to Kobe's fan club and emailed them! I know KObe would never read it, but I just wanted to send it out there just in case.

Tell Phil Jackson to bench Shaq and then see what happens. We have freaking Payton, Malone, and Kobe. 'nuff said.

 

[dvdrdiscs]

Originally posted by: xenocyd3

Originally posted by: dvdrdiscs
I wouldn't blame Kobe for opting out next year and signing with another team. Then I'd love to see Kobe dunk all over Shaq.

but then i'd love to see shaq pack the sh*t out of kobe

You think Shaq would be in shape to defend one of the greatest guards in the NBA? He'd probably chug on donuts and let Karl/Payton do the work while blaming the bench for him re-gaining the TEN whole lbs he lost during the summer.

 

[Miramonti]

If this doesn't subside between shaq and kobe, I'd expect Kobe to be traded sooner in the season than later. The lakers won't be successful with this level of animosity between the two of them.

If it keeps up, I wouldn't be surprised to see a tmac/kobe swap.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: jjsole
If this doesn't subside between shaq and kobe, I'd expect Kobe to be traded sooner in the season than later. The lakers won't be successful with this level of animosity between the two of them.

In other words if it keeps up, look for Tmac in purple and gold.

Tmac went to Orlando to prove he could carry a team on his own. I'd be very surprised if he came to LA, but wouldn't mind nonetheless.

 

[Francodman]

Originally posted by: jjsole
If this doesn't subside between shaq and kobe, I'd expect Kobe to be traded sooner in the season than later. The lakers won't be successful with this level of animosity between the two of them.

In other words if it keeps up, look for Tmac in purple and gold.

yeah ok, that will happen. The lakers aren't gonna trade kobe, shaq and kobe never liked eachother yet they played well. Kobe's gonna be a grizz in a year anyway.

 

[Dragnov]

Woah.
I wonder if Shaq will go for a low blow and bring up the rape charges Kobe going on.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: jjsole If this doesn't subside between shaq and kobe, I'd expect Kobe to be traded sooner in the season than later. The lakers won't be successful with this level of animosity between the two of them. In other words if it keeps up, look for Tmac in purple and gold.

Tmac went to Orlando to prove he could carry a team on his own. I'd be very surprised if he came to LA, but wouldn't mind nonetheless.

I think he's the second best guard in the league to kobe, in fact even a better leader, but he probably realizes by now that he can't do it on his own and needs to play next to atleast one more star/superstar. It would be interesting if he would accept the trade (if he had a choice), because he could have a great run with shaq when its all said and done.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK
Woah.
I wonder if Shaq will go for a low blow and bring up the rape charges Kobe going on.

Wouldn't be surprised in the least.

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: jjsole If this doesn't subside between shaq and kobe, I'd expect Kobe to be traded sooner in the season than later. The lakers won't be successful with this level of animosity between the two of them. In other words if it keeps up, look for Tmac in purple and gold.

Tmac went to Orlando to prove he could carry a team on his own. I'd be very surprised if he came to LA, but wouldn't mind nonetheless.

I think he's the second best guard in the league to kobe, in fact even a better leader, but he probably realizes by now that he can't do it on his own and needs to play next to atleast one more star/superstar. It would be interesting if he would accept the trade (if he had a choice), because he could have a great run with shaq when its all said and done.

I'm sure he does realize it. Problem is, will he lay aside his ego like Kobe has done for years and play with Fat Shaq? Only time will tell.

 

[First]

dp

 

[Lucky]

can anyone remember anything like this happening between teammates on other teams in the past? seems almost unprecedented how ugly this is getting.