Shaq a racist ?

rh71

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Before you start thinking ANYTHING, let's go about discussing this in a civil manner. Now I grew up an American Born Chinese and I've heard slurs up through middle school. During a hockey game of mine last season, some kid about 17 years old on the other team hurled a racial remark at me after a small physical incident which is common in the game. Take a look at the NHL. Do you have any idea how many players have been fined for using any kind of racial slurs or motioning toward each other? Whether they're Native American or Black, none of it is tolerated. How can the NBA (according to this article) let this go ?

My question to you is... do you believe it happened ?

SHAQ IS A RACIST

An AsianWeek Column by Irwin Tang:</>

Tell Shaquille O'Neal, "Come down to Chinatown."

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Call Shaquille O'Neal the Big Racist.

In his most recent racial taunt of Yao Ming, Shaquille O Neal told a reporter, "Tell Yao Ming, 'ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-soh.'" No,
the superstar center of the LA Lakers was not trying to speak Chinese. Shaq was, in a most derisive tone, aiming a racist barb at
the rookie center for the Houston Rockets.

Ironically, just days before this racial taunt was aired nationally, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
(NAACP) had honored O Neal with their Young Leaders Award. We can only hope that the NAACP had no knowledge of Shaq s previous
racial taunt of Yao Ming and LA Clippers center Wang Zhi Zhi, broadcast on June 28 on Fox Television s Best Damn Sports Show Period.
When Yao Ming was brought up, Shaquille O Neal spoke with a mock Chin! ese acce nt and made mock kung fu moves.

Also in June, Shaq announced that he would test Yao s toughness by taking an elbow to Yao s face. This comment, combined with Shaq s
racist taunts are particularly disturbing, as Asian Americans often suffer racial taunts while being assaulted or physically
intimidated.

But Shaquille O Neal is not a stupid brute. That is, he may be a brute, but he s not a stupid one. He knows the media is on his
side. National and local news organizations have consciously ignored Shaq s racist comment. I know, because I called the LA Times,
Sports Illustrated, the Associated Press, and other news organizations and offered them information about this story. They did not
want to write about it.

The only reason anyone knows about Shaq s latest taunt is because Fox Sports Radio s Tony Bruno Morning Extravaganza played a
recording of the taunt several times to its nationwide audience on December 16 and 17. On the latter day, Bruno commented ! that Sha
q s comment was "not racist," and then invited listeners and radio commentators to call in jokes making racist fun of Chinese. For
hours, people cracked jokes, such as offering free bike parking to increase Chinese attendance at basketball games.

On Christmas Day, while calling the Celtics-Nets game for ABC, veteran sportscaster Brent Musburger s lamented that "the hordes of
China" might stuff the All-Star ballot box and vote Yao Ming in as the Western Conference s starting center, rather than Shaquille O
Neal.

How Kafkaesque, and how familiar, it is that the interests of the American media and those of Asian America are diametrically
opposed. The media has betrayed their own dedication to controversy by making nothing out of something that deserves much ado.
Rather than slam celebrity racism, as it has in the past, some media organizations obviously wish to reserve the right to revel in
their own racism.

Will the NBA punish racist speech, as it has i! n the pa st? The Association is too busy passing out fortune cookies. In "honor" of
Yao s first game in Miami, the Miami Heat on December 16 passed out 8000 fortune cookies to spectators. Yao found the promotion
amusing but pointed out that fortune cookies have nothing to do with him. He said that he was not angry because he was not familiar
with American stereotypes of Chinese.

Let s not beat around the bush. If a white player had, for instance, made monkey sounds to taunt a black player, it would have been
a national controversy. But Yao is Chinese. And Asians are fair game. For evidence, watch TV for a couple of hours.

Asian America cannot, or will not, demand as much respect as other minority groups. What do sports commentator Jimmy "The Greek"
Snyder, NBA Head Coach Dan Issell, and former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Trent Lott have in common? They all lost
their jobs due to comments offensive to blacks or Hispanics. Golfer Fuzzy Zoeller, baseball! pitcher John Rocker, and basketball
star Isaiah Thomas were all forced to apologize for racially insensitive comments.

Spit on me once, shame on you. Spit on me twice, shame on me. What will our Asian American leaders do about this potentially
explosive issue? In the past, our national leaders have tended to shy away from the harsh lights of TV cameras, nicely fitting our
stereotype as quiet, obedient people. As media-hound lawyer Johnny Cochran single-handedly forces the NFL to consider more black
head coaches, what will our Asian American leaders do about Shaq s offensive taunt? Write a letter?

Forgive my bitterness. I grew up in Texas, facing those "ching-chong" taunts daily while teachers averted their ears. I love
basketball, and when Yao was drafted by Houston, I had to suppress my excitement, lest he turn out a complete flop. I went to see
the Rockets play the LA Clippers on December 12. Yao is a huge young man with huge skills. But he s also a kid in a forei! gn land.
You can tell by the way he carries himself when the ball is not in play. My heart goes out to Yao Ming.

Yao Ming is our Asian Jackie Robinson, though he does not face the intensity of animosity Robinson faced. Unfortunately Shaquille O
Neal is the modern-day Ty Cobb, the rough-playing baseball superstar who used the n-word on Robinson.

"I look forward to breaking down that mother------- s body," Shaq said of Yao Ming. "He said my name three times, two in Chinese and
one in American. You don t ever call me out. I m from LSU." Yao has never "called" Shaq out.

But I am calling Shaq out. Come on down to Chinatown, Shaq. You disrespect Asian America, and we will break you down. Perhaps when
you and the Lakers come to Houston on January 17 to play Yao Ming and the Rockets, the Asian American community will have a press
conference waiting for you. Perhaps there, before a national audience, you can apologize to Yao Ming, forfeit your NAACP award, and
implore! young p eople not to follow your example.

Or perhaps nothing will happen. Another racial slur will be left to sink slowly into the Asian American collective unconscious and
ferment as self-loathing. And then we ll only have ourselves to call out.
 

BDawg

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All I know is that Shaq made all of his money in college, and not in Orlando. ;)
 

notfred

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So, if I were to go up to a German guy, and say "Werstershien, Glutemberg!", would I be a racist?
 

zippy

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I'm not Asian by a long shot, but that was an excellent article. Shaq should apologize for his remarks. I did notice a few of the comments Shaq has made in reference to Yao Ming - the three noted in the article that refer to going after Yao physically. Shaq should definitely be disciplined and apologize for his comments - there is no place for blatant, gratuitous, and unwarranted violence and racism in sports or in any realm.
 

CraigRT

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Thats a little too much reading to tell us Shaq is a racist... from what I saw, it's nothing really that bad.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: notfred
So, if I were to go up to a German guy, and say "Werstershien, Glutemberg!", would I be a racist?
I won't pretend to know what that translates to... but why can't you put someone down based on something BESIDES race ? Derogatory remarks using race = racism = racist.
 

boyRacer

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Heh... anyone with money and all that fame gets a big head and becomes a fcktard... so who cares... even that highschool James kid... who is supposedly the next MJ... pleeeease... :p
 

spanky

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i dunno if he is a racists, but he definitely seems like an ignorant assh0le.
 

josphII

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shaq talks out of his ass a lot, but its only an attempt to be funny or draw attention to himself. shaq is no racist, but i question weather or not this 'reporter' is.

"Yao Ming is our Asian Jackie Robinson"

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EvilYoda

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whoa, I just read that same article after someone forwarded it to me...I think there's going to be a big difference in remarks here, between those of us who are asian and those who aren't. I see the things that he said as being very racist and ignorant, and it pisses me off that w/o a doubt, the media will look the other way, if not use his comments to get better ratings or more readers. I honestly can't say how the game will go, but I know it'll be dirty...Shaq's scared cuz he's getting old so he has puff up his fur, growl a little louder, play a little dirtier, just to make sure that his territory hasn't been annexed. I really hope that the Rockets win and that Ming puts up a good game...if he doesn't, it'll just open the doors for more comments. Well, regardless, the comments will keep coming...if he wins/beats Shaq, people will be shocked and scared...if he loses, people will be confident and brash.

ugh, shutting up now, that article didn't make me happy.
 

spanky

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Originally posted by: josphII
shaq talks out of his ass a lot, but its only an attempt to be funny or draw attention to himself. shaq is no racist, but i question weather or not this 'reporter' is.

"Yao Ming is our Asian Jackie Robinson"

rolleye.gif

why would u question if the reporter is racist?
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: notfred
So, if I were to go up to a German guy, and say "Werstershien, Glutemberg!", would I be a racist?
I won't pretend to know what that translates to... but why can't you put someone down based on something BESIDES race ? Derogatory remarks using race = racism = racist.

It doesn't translate to anything, it just sounds "Germanish", like how Shaq just made up some Chinese sounding gibberish.
 

Tom

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I think of China as a country, not a race. I think all countries, and the people that live in them, have shortcomings that are fair game for discussion, critiiscm, sometimes even in a humorous way. Like kidding Canadians about Polar bears.

Making fun of a language difference is not the same thing as implying that a person is closely related to a monkey because of the color of his skin.

I wouldn't consider it racism, although maybe someone can convince me that I'm wrong, but I don't think that it's a good thing to insult another person's language just because I don't understand it.

 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: josphII
shaq talks out of his ass a lot, but its only an attempt to be funny or draw attention to himself. shaq is no racist, but i question weather or not this 'reporter' is.

"Yao Ming is our Asian Jackie Robinson"

rolleye.gif

I agree with the
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Comparing what Yao Ming is going through with what Jackie Robinson went through, and what he meant to all minorities is just plain wrong.

The reason there haven't been Chinese players isn't because the white people think they shouldn't be allowed, it's because there aren't as many good ones who can come over here.

The NBA is a money making organization. They'll let anyone play who's good enough to make them money.
 

loup garou

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Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
I think of China as a country, not a race. I think all countries, and the people that live in them, have shortcomings that are fair game for discussion, critiiscm, sometimes even in a humorous way. Like kidding Canadians about Polar bears.

Making fun of a language difference is not the same thing as implying that a person is closely related to a monkey because of the color of his skin.

I wouldn't consider it racism, although maybe someone can convince me that I'm wrong, but I don't think that it's a good thing to insult another person's language just because I don't understand it.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Well said.
 

brtspears2

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No one deserves an elbow in their face. But theres always a fine line between making fun of a certain person and a group of people in general. We all make imitations, like the Kwik-E-Mart guy being Indian, or vegetable pickers in the fields as Mexicans, and we make their fake accents. In Shaq's case, it was most likely directly towards Ming to make fun of him and his lack of english skills. Sometimes a joke goes a bit too far.
 

Carbo

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Whether or not this oversized chimp is a racist is not the point. If what was written is factually accurate he deserves some media scrutiny at the very least. Certainly no one would be out of line to demand a public apology, and maybe some good will gesture to the various Chinese American communities who are offended by his ignorant statements.
Surely, everyone would agree that any type of racial stereotype of any Black individual would be an instant and loud headline, with all of the phony liberal elitists coming out of the woodwork to make the quickest and loudest condemnation.
Look at the ridiculous reaction to Senator Lott's comments last month.
 

josphII

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Originally posted by: spankyOO7
Originally posted by: josphII
shaq talks out of his ass a lot, but its only an attempt to be funny or draw attention to himself. shaq is no racist, but i question weather or not this 'reporter' is.

"Yao Ming is our Asian Jackie Robinson"

rolleye.gif

why would u question if the reporter is racist?


because he is slandering a black man and elevating the status of an asian guy.

"What will our Asian American leaders do about this potentially explosive issue?"

explosive issue??? this guy needs a reality check. he also needed to back off the pc crack pipe.
 

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Originally posted by: Carbo
Whether or not this oversized chimp is a racist is not the point. If what was written is factually accurate he deserves some media scrutiny at the very least. Certainly no one would be out of line to demand a public apology, and maybe some good will gesture to the various Chinese American communities who are offended by his ignorant statements.
Surely, everyone would agree that any type of racial stereotype of any Black individual would be an instant and loud headline, with all of the phony liberal elitists coming out of the woodwork to make the quickest and loudest condemnation.
Look at the ridiculous reaction to Senator Lott's comments last month.

I vote for Shaq to apologize and resign!
 

xospec1alk

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usually, i have no problem with anything deemed by the asian community as racist, for example those A&F t shirts last year...and usually ragging on the asian race doesn't really matter to much to me, i dont even care if someone calls me a beloved patriot...but i can't stand it when im walking down the street and some dude says to me "ching-chong-yang-wah-ah-soh" i hate it, hate it with a passion. or if they attempt to speak to me in chinese...its like hey you fvck i speak english, i've spent all 21 years of my life speaking english...so shut ur face and speak to me in my native tongue.

asians are too passive to do anything about it oh wells...but tack on another reason why i hate shaq...
 

xospec1alk

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Originally posted by: brtspears2
No one deserves an elbow in their face. But theres always a fine line between making fun of a certain person and a group of people in general. We all make imitations, like the Kwik-E-Mart guy being Indian, or vegetable pickers in the fields as Mexicans, and we make their fake accents. In Shaq's case, it was most likely directly towards Ming to make fun of him and his lack of english skills. Sometimes a joke goes a bit too far.

actually i read somewhere that his english skills really aren't that bad, and he doesn't even need a translator