sex with under aged children is alright with the Jewish Talmud ?

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wwswimming

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Posting in an "I hate Jews" thread veiled as a discussion on the Talmud.

no, it's more like people don't like criminal behavior and the criminals who engage in it.

and some criminals use accusations of anti-Semitism to try and and get away with their crimes.

actually, that's one of the primary purposes of the ADL - to attack anyone who shines a spotlight on the immoral activities of, for example, Israel.

as if shining a light on immoral behavior was racist.
 

JS80

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The problem with that being that everyone has their own interpretation of "Jesus' teachings."

There are towns in Utah where they banish the boys to keep the M:F ratio a certain balance.

If you've actually studied Jesus's teachings vs what you see how most humans act (aka hypocrites) and how Christians are portrayed in the media, you would think "wow how the fuck can these people call themselves Christians." Whereas in the Koran it indeed does say to go behead infidels and suppress women. Nowhere in Jesus's teachings can there be any implication of the condoning of violence or whatever other misconceptions you may have.

What I'm trying to say is, you cannot interpret any of Jesus's teachings to mean anything other than love, forgiveness, and redemption.

But congrats hook line and sinker on the media's portrayal.
 

Lemon law

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Exactly what Israeli fan clubbers are in denial of, while the bulk of Israeli Jews are modern and secular, there are a disturbingly large Jewish Orthodox minority, who more belong in the 14'th century at best.

And when that small Israeli minority has veto power over current Israeli politics, we have to wonder if the Israeli lunatic are in charge of a self destructive Asylum. Who self define the issues as only 6 million Jews against a 7 billion people world.

And even worse, Orthodox Jews are endowed by Israel to be totally subsidized by scholarship, which means they get to be totally unproductive Israeli citizens. They do not work in any way to add to general Israeli welfare, they are simply pigs and nutty pigs at that. As they maintain the bible is their deed to anything they want.
 

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a disturbingly large Jewish Orthodox minority, who more belong in the 14'th century at best.

How does the size of the Orthodox population compare to the hordes of Muslims who are also stuck in the middle ages?

It's hard to be as judgmental about Orthodox Jews when they're not constantly blowing themselves up and raping women in public...
 

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How does the size of the Orthodox population compare to the hordes of Muslims who are also stuck in the middle ages?

It's hard to be as judgmental about Orthodox Jews when they're not constantly blowing themselves up and raping women in public...

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Quote:Originally Posted by Infohawk
How does the size of the Orthodox population compare to the hordes of Muslims who are also stuck in the middle ages?

It's hard to be as judgmental about Orthodox Jews when they're not constantly blowing themselves up and raping women in public...
:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

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It is real obvious the OP hates Jews. Why would the Op believe such nonesense and take it at face value without doing any research?

Doing reading and actually understanding what you read are two different things....but coming from you I would expect no less than to post something without doing any research or attempting to understand what you claim to have read!

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

The Accusation

Yebhamot 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

Aboda Sarah 37a: "A gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

The Text

Talmud Ketuvot 11b (The citation mentioned is evidently in error. Talmud Yevamot 11b has no relevant passage)



Rav Yehudah said in the name of Rav: A male child who has relations with a female adult causes her to be like one who was injured with a stick... Rava said: This is what was meant - an adult male who has relations with a female child has not done anything because less than this [three years old] is like sticking a finger into an eyeball.

While those unused to these Talmudic discussions might be taken aback by the use of euphemisms, the discussion here relates to the dowry for virgins and non-virgins. A virgin receives a higher dowry. While the tell-tale sign of virginity is the release of blood due to the breaking of the hyman on the wedding night, there are occasions when the hyman has already been broken such as when the woman suffered an injury. The Talmud here adds that a sexual act with a male minor is not considered to be a loss of virginity because one of the participants is not fully active. While the female's hyman may have been broken, she has not engaged in what can be classified as a sexual act (although it is certainly child abuse).

The Talmud continues that a sexual act between a male adult and a female under the age of three is also not considered a loss of virginity (although it is child abuse). Since the girl is too young for her hyman to be broken, she is still considered a virgin.

Nowhere is the Talmud permitting such behavior. Sex outside of a marriage is strictly forbidden (Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Ishut 1:4, Hilchot Na'arah Betulah 2:17; Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 26:1, 177:5) as is this obvious case of child abuse. The Talmud is only discussing ex post facto what would happen if such a case arose.

The same usage occurs in the passage in Talmud Avodah Zarah 37a. The Talmud states that at the age of three a girl is capable of participating in a sexual act. However, that act is not permissible. See also Jerusalem Talmud Ketuvot 1:2 (4b).

Excellent and informative post, thanks. BTW I disagree that William hates Jews, I've always found him to be pretty open minded and reasonable.

Every religion has its bizarre legacies, especially if taken out of context and out of the time. Therefore religions should be judged on how they behave today rather than in ancient times.
 

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Exactly what Israeli fan clubbers are in denial of, while the bulk of Israeli Jews are modern and secular, there are a disturbingly large Jewish Orthodox minority, who more belong in the 14'th century at best.

And when that small Israeli minority has veto power over current Israeli politics, we have to wonder if the Israeli lunatic are in charge of a self destructive Asylum. Who self define the issues as only 6 million Jews against a 7 billion people world.

And even worse, Orthodox Jews are endowed by Israel to be totally subsidized by scholarship, which means they get to be totally unproductive Israeli citizens. They do not work in any way to add to general Israeli welfare, they are simply pigs and nutty pigs at that. As they maintain the bible is their deed to anything they want.


way to be the one to bring Israel into a Talmud thread.



you want to distinguish the difference, that you disagree with israel's policies, yet any time the word "Jew" or "Middle east" are brought up, you insist Israel must be involved on the topic.


this is about the talmud. not about israel.


and while i am at it, No. Most orthodox jews do not believe that israel shouldnt exist.

only the extreme of the extreme of the extreme even consider it, and of that, maybe a few are vocal about it.

its not a growing trait. it is considered radical and most jews do not believe it.




and even the most radical of jews dont go around wanting and actually killing others with suicide vests.

what does that tell you about Judaism compared to Islam or even Christianity?
 
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Baasha

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Fundamentalist Christian would imply that one follows Jesus' teachings to the T right? If so, wouldn't a fundamentalist Christian sell all his goods, donate to charity, and volunteer in a 3rd world country until he dies?

hahhahahaha..

the christian would be raping, murdering, enslaving, converting, and destroying non-christians while stoning women for adultery and engaging in genocide. Oh, I believe the "settlers" from Europe called those actions the 'spreading of civilization' to the Native Americans. :rolleyes:

hilarious to see one set of untouchables disparage another.. remember, all three of the abrahamic cults come from one madman who was about to murder his own child (Abraham). There is no reason but racism that jews and christians join hands in attacking muslims today. "You and 'em have the same daddy!"
 
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werepossum

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hahhahahaha..

the christian would be raping, murdering, enslaving, converting, and destroying non-christians while stoning women for adultery and engaging in genocide. Oh, I believe the "settlers" from Europe called those actions the 'spreading of civilization' to the Native Americans. :rolleyes:

hilarious to see one set of untouchables disparage another.. remember, all three of the abrahamic cults come from one madman who was about to murder his own child (Abraham). There is no reason but racism that jews and christians join hands in attacking muslims today. "You and 'em have the same daddy!"
There are no untouchables outside of Hindu society. You are ahead of us on the red dot thing though; we have no equivalent scratch-off system to discover if our new wife's dowry is a motel or a convenience store. :D
 

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There are no untouchables outside of Hindu society. You are ahead of us on the red dot thing though; we have no equivalent scratch-off system to discover if our new wife's dowry is a motel or a convenience store. :D

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hahhahahaha..

the christian would be raping, murdering, enslaving, converting, and destroying non-christians while stoning women for adultery and engaging in genocide. Oh, I believe the "settlers" from Europe called those actions the 'spreading of civilization' to the Native Americans. :rolleyes:

hilarious to see one set of untouchables disparage another.. remember, all three of the abrahamic cults come from one madman who was about to murder his own child (Abraham). There is no reason but racism that jews and christians join hands in attacking muslims today. "You and 'em have the same daddy!"

Indians have the most honor killings in the world because their Daughters or Wifes refuse to comply, in England it's like 80:1 between Indians and Kurds and once in a decade a muslim does it too.

India is a shithole and they should fucking stay there, throwing acid in the faces of their wifes for wanting to leave them and burning their newborns alive while torturing older children because of their choices with boiling oil and amputation.

I'd rather live in Pakistan than India and i'd rather with Muslims than Hindus. I'm saying that as an officer that has spent a great deal of time fighting the Taliban, that might mean something but probably not to the "pure blooded racially proper" person that you are....

Hitler got a lot of his ideas from Hinduism, about the same ideas that you have adopted.
 

JS80

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hahhahahaha..

the christian would be raping, murdering, enslaving, converting, and destroying non-christians while stoning women for adultery and engaging in genocide. Oh, I believe the "settlers" from Europe called those actions the 'spreading of civilization' to the Native Americans. :rolleyes:

hilarious to see one set of untouchables disparage another.. remember, all three of the abrahamic cults come from one madman who was about to murder his own child (Abraham). There is no reason but racism that jews and christians join hands in attacking muslims today. "You and 'em have the same daddy!"

How are those Christian acts? Please make reference to Jesus sermons that teach those things.
 
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Excellent and informative post, thanks. BTW I disagree that William hates Jews, I've always found him to be pretty open minded and reasonable.

Every religion has its bizarre legacies, especially if taken out of context and out of the time. Therefore religions should be judged on how they behave today rather than in ancient times.

Thank you for defending me.
Of course i do not hate Jews. For me Jews are exactly the same kind of human as anybody else on this planet and should have a chance to live in peace and happiness. But i do not feel comfortable about the way AIPAC, ADL or John Hagee behave. Being pro war is not the way.
 

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How are those Christian acts? Please make reference to Jesus sermons that teach those things.

Those are all injunctions in the barbaric book known as the bible. Many christians will simply say "that's the Old Testament" putting the blame on the jews while ignoring the violence in the New Testament. The funniest argument is when christians will cop out of the argument saying "those weren't jesus' actual words". Dissembling leads nowhere. All three semitic cults are a danger to humanity.

A person is never born "evil", no matter how low their birth. The culture, philosophy, and environment he surrounds himself with, gives rise to a particular mindset. It is unequivocally clear that any of the three abrahamic cults gives rise to an exclusivist worldview that pits people against each other and is stuck in the historicity of their mythology; thereby rendering those cults laughable at best, dangerous at worst, as most modern thinkers have already stated.

The mythology of the abrahamic cults, which promote exclusivity, incest, and genocide are to be discarded in the dustbins of history. Those who cling on to them should be avoided like the plague.

Some verses of violence in the bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

new testament: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/nt.html

Of course, you will probably ignore the evidence by attacking the source or coming up with more strawman arguments. Do the research on your own.

Are muslims likely to be more violent regarding their religion? Of course. However, does that make jews and christians "peaceful"? Absolutely not.

My main point is that when you christians and jews attack muslims, you're being hypocritical; all three of you are part of the same 'family' (barbarians). All semitic religions are the bane of humanity and have curtailed real progress. Ever read Bertrand Russell? And the recent progress since the Industrial Revolution etc. have been DESPITE the semitic religions in vogue in Europe, not because of it.

Now, it is fashionable in the west for christians and jews to cherry pick from their book and then point the finger at muslims for following the injunctions in theirs. LOL.. So, essentially, you are finding fault with muslims for following their faith faithfully? And since d-bags like the Taliban follow the injunctions in the quran, hadith, and sira to the hilt, it is amply evident that their ideology is highly dangerous to the wellbeing of society at large. The same goes for the other two semitic cults.

The abrahamic mindset that causes division from the start is the real "devil". jews think only they are worthy of being saved. christians think only they will go to heaven. muslims think only they will be in the grace of God. Such childish balderdash should have been outlawed long ago. No wonder it's so easy for you people to just shrug at others' misery and suffering. And you people think you are 'pious' and 'religious'. Hilarity knows no bounds.

There are in fact MANY more references of violence, fratricide, genocide, rape, and other atrocious acts of barbarity in the bible, both old and new testaments (source: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/bible_quran.html). The fact that in the west today, many of those teachings are ignored conveniently. However, in non-christian majority countries, like India, christian terrorists (missionaries, NLFT etc. etc.) engage in the old style christianity where they convert natives through deceit, subterfuge, and coercion. Too bad only the reactions from the natives are recorded to show around the world as if the victims are the aggressors.

Read The Armies of God: A Study in Militant Christianity by Iain Buchanan to see how the western governments use these terrorist organizations (missionary outfits) against non-christian cultures.

A barbarian wearing an Armani suit is no less of a barbarian wearing a turban.
 
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Baasha

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Hitler got a lot of his ideas from Hinduism

Exactly! And that is why untouchables (non-Hindu) should NOT be allowed to study Hindu scriptures. They are too stupid, undeveloped, and barbaric to understand the stupendous philosophy contained therein.

Hindu orthodoxy FTW! :D

Btw, john of SHITfield, do you know what the year 1200 CE was famous for in England? ;)

They drove out the jews en masse from that island!

And, where did the jews go when the Romans destroyed their temple and threatened them? Take a wild guess. :)
 
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Exactly! And that is why untouchables (non-Indian/non-Hindu) should NOT be allowed to study Hindu scriptures. They are too stupid, undeveloped, and barbaric to understand the stupendous philosophy contained therein.

Hindu orthodoxy FTW! :D

Btw, john of SHITfield, do you know what the year 1200 CE was famous for in England? ;)

They drove out the jews en masse from that island!

And, where did the jews go when the Romans destroyed their temple and threatened them? Take a wild guess. :)
Must suck for a Hindu Fascist/Supremest like yourself to live among all the Untouchables in the USA, especially when a lot of them think you are inferior to them.
 

Baasha

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Must suck for a Hindu Fascist/Supremest like yourself to live among all the Untouchables in the USA, especially when a lot of them think you are inferior to them.

Fascist? But fascist is such a STRONG word! ;)
 
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