SETI stops search for alien life.

[qliveur]

Oh, just stop the b.s. already.

You first. I'm not the one who constantly spams ATOT with comments that belong in P&N.

George Bush paid off his people, the super rich with trillions.

Never said that the Republicans don't do it (blindly following a political agenda is your bag; I have no affiliation), but trillions? C'mon.

And under Obama taxes are actually a bit lower.

Huh? For whom? The steadily-growing number of freeloading leeches who pay no taxes but can still vote?

Obama had to pull us out of the disaster he inherited.

And he's succeeded brilliantly!

Oh, wait: no he hasn't. The only thing he's succeeded in doing is plunging us even further into debt.

And there were just as many of your beloved Democrats behind the deliberate looting of the economy as there were Republicans. Why aren't ANY of these people in prison?

While the super rich have seen their share of the national wealth skyrocket while the rest of us have far less.

Replace the words "super rich" with "federal government" and you'll be correct. Anyone looking to scapegoat an evil, elitist super-corporation for sucking the country dry need look no further.

And the long-clichéd "CLASS STRUGGLE!!!!11111!!1one" schtick not only reeks of Marxism, it's gotten rather stale over the past century or so.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I know the PM. Of course I can't answer all the questions it raises, but I don't have to. There are people working on that. And some of them have answered some of those questions

You don't know the problem and no one has "answered" anything other than it's an impossible task in principle.

You keep spouting tautologies like they are suppose to mean something deep, but ‘a dog can understand what a dog can understand’ contains no actual information. We are arguing that exact point, I say there is no limit to what a human can understand, and you are not saying much at all.

In the continuum of evolution the complexity of nervous systems allow commensurately more complex behaviors. How they adapt and react is determined in higher animals by the construction of their brains. Without exception they are limited in what they can do. They are limited in what they can comprehend. That's because they have finite minds. Now with humans that's supposedly changed. No, what's happened is that you believe that you are the highest possible form of life. Nothing will ever exist that can comprehend what humans cannot. All we have to do is work hard. No. What we have are people who are at the far right of the curve who are able to understand something and in turn that becomes recorded. Now it's something that a thousand people understand, well humans understand it. If it's so difficult that only a hundred can, the same. Not everyone can understand some of the mathematical proofs for recent solutions to old problems. Let's go with a ten person problem. There is no reason to assume that there isn't a problem or concept so difficult that only one person gets. Hey that's one person and he's human.

Now we come to it. As far as can be determined the Universe was not put here for the purpose of our getting it.

As abstract concepts increase in complexity the number of people who can understand them diminishes.

Name the first concept which is too hard to grasp by the smartest person who ever lived.

 

[alkemyst]

SETI makes a lot of assumptions about how a signal would be sent by aliens. More than a few people have suggested that those assumptions are probably wrong.

True, and more than a few people believe the moon landing was a hoax and we really never have been into space.

 

[alkemyst]

The one problem with SETI stopping is with government chances are someone else will grab this 'budget' even though the money is not there.

That's the main problem we have, there is no set budget boundaries...all the money goes in one big hopper.

 

[SlickSnake]

http://www.ufodigest.com/article/official-et-disclosure-nsa-document-admits-et-contact-kevin-w-smith

On October 21, 2004, the NSA approved for release to the public a portion of their NSA Journal Vol. XIV No. 1. This is a report of a presentation given to the NSA by Dr. Howard Campaigne regarding the decoding of extraterrestrial messages that had been received “form outer space”. Apparently, these messages had actually been received via the Sputnik satellite, but no one had any idea how to decode them at the time.

At some time, unspecified in the document, Dr. Howard Campaigne and some other NSA super mathematicians in the crypto department had been given the task of decoding the messages. There were a total of 29 messages to be decoded—quite an undertaking.

It is curious, to say the least, that this document was cleared for release on October 21, 2004. Why was that? Because the NSA did not release it into public information until April 21, 2011. Though cleared for release, the NSA had been stonewalling it along with hundreds of other NSA documents about contact with UFOs and extraterrestrials until they lost the lawsuit brought by Peter Gersten, a lawyer from Arizona. When they well and truly lost, the judge’s order had to be carried out, and the documents had to be released.

Dr. Howard Campaigne's “Extraterrestrial Signals”

The document, as I stated, is Dr. Campaigne’s presentation to the NSA on the decoding of those messages. It was actually published by the NSA in their own internal NSA Journal. Yet, they were also forced to publish a list of search terms from FOIA requests for which they had found no NSA documents. In that list is “Extraterrestrial Signals”. The title of this document, which they published themselves is “Key To Extraterrestrial Messages”.

Quite obviously, they conveniently split hairs here in reporting they had no information about “Extraterrestrial Signals”. They knew for sure they had this document, and that it was about what was being requested in the FOIA request. They knew it, flaunted the technicality of wording, and continued to stonewall.

Who is Dr. Howard Campaigne?
Dr. Campaigne is one of the top cryptologists on the planet with years and years of service to Naval Security Group, Army Security Agency, National Security Agency, and a couple of other such alphabet organizations.

Howard H. Campaigne started his crypto career for the government during World War II and has been a key and integral part of our U.S. security and intelligence ever since. In other words, he is part of a very small, very select group who are considered the cream of the crop in Cryptology.

Dr. Campaigne’s presentation to the NSA on decoding the extraterrestrial messages was not a hypothetical exercise. I contacted someone who is formerly associated with the NSA and still has TS clearance, and asked him to view the document. I asked him to give me his take on it. There was no question about its authenticity since it was published in the NSA Journal, and was released by the NSA on their web site. What I wanted to know was whether this document had any particular impact or importance (other than its startling revelations) for someone familiar with the inner workings of the NSA. It did.

My contact told me that he was blown away by the wording of the document. He said that NSA communications are filled with words like “possibly” , “allegedly”, and “thought to be”.

He said, “This document has none of the normal NSA disclaimer words in it. They just come out and say ‘we received messages from outer space’ and this is the way to decode those messages.”

I asked, “What does that mean to you?”
His reply was instant.

“Disclosure, pure and simple. They aren’t making any fanfare about it, but there it is. They have just made open disclosure.”

But what do the messages say?

Dr. Campaigne focused on a set of information in a couple of the messages that turn out to be some mathematical equations. They also contain the listing of all the elements in our Periodic Table. I suppose those equations may make some sense to a physicist or engineer, but do not mean anything to me. I clearly understand how Dr. Campaigne came to the translation since he explains it very well. But, as to what the meaning of the equations are, I could not venture a guess.

It is curious, though, that during his presentation Dr. Campaigne mentions there are “words” that they have translated, and some “words” they have not yet begun to understand. He gives an example of a connective word that he knows is connective (joining two or more statements) but does not yet understand the translation of that word.

Debunkers are scared as hell of the release of this information as it proves beyond any doubt that they are, and always have been, dead wrong. Their careers as debunkers are finished in light of the revelation of this material. They are already using the only possible “tool” left to them by saying, “That’s old information. It’s been out there for years.”

As usual, they are either just uninformed, or outright lying. It is true the document was cleared for release on October 21, 2004. It is true that date is from “years”. But it is also true that it WAS NOT released until April 21, 2011.

"No, Virginia, that information has not been available for years."

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

So - SETI is rendered redundant anyway since the govt has known about ET's for at least a hundred years now.