He's just humoring Trump & so is McConnell. They already know the truth, just like the rest of us.
He's just humoring Trump & so is McConnell. They already know the truth, just like the rest of us.
Doesn't seem that complicated. From the outside having watched the US - under Republican or Democrat - ruthlessly try to remould the world to suit its interests for decades, there's some irony in seeing that meddling come back to bite it in the bottom. Doesn't make it a 'good' thing, but it does make it darkly ironic.
theeedude
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They are all afraid of telling Trump's supporters the truth. But they also know that it will be insanity for their party to try to steal this election through the courts or gerrymandered legislatures.The majority of the country will never accept it, and it will delegitimize and destroy their party. You can't govern the US without consent of the governed.
cytg111
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Exper cause he wouldnt deploy the army to the streets... something like that? Gives a hint...
As I said on the other thread, if we are lucky this is just pure Trumpian petulance and vindictiveness towards anyone who had the temerity to contradict him in the past - rather than a considered strategic decision for the near-future.
sportage
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I find it so amusing when “some” in the media and some of the politicians will say JUST GIVE DONALD TRUMP TIME TO ACCEPT HIS DEFEAT, THEN HE WILL COME AROUND. Really? Just give Donald Trump time like we gave Donald Trump time to become a normal president? Like we gave Trump time to start acting like a real president? That GIVE HIM TIME we have been giving Donald Trump for the last four years, waiting for Donald Trump to face reality? Sorry you misguided hopefuls, but Donald Trump will never become the president that you hoped he would be. But never give up the cause, for all we know pigs might one day fly.
gorobei
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the demographics of the vote is still being broken down, but the initial take is that trump improved in his base and some of the white republicans who dont vote that often. the reason he lost is
there will be 4 years worth of teens reaching voting age by 2024 who will remember everything from trumps term. if the new voters rejected him now is there any reason to think teens 1, 2, or 3 years younger than them are going to have a better opinion of him?
the older voters are comprising a smaller percentage of the votes, and this will only get worse for the repubs.
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What's more concerning are all the norms/laws/traditions that have just been ignored during this admin. People pretending like the Constitution will magically defend us are missing the point - it's just a piece of paper and means nothing if people don't uphold and follow it.
Everything in this timeline the past 4 years has led up to this. Trump will never concede, he is looking either: get it to the SCOTUS, faithless electors, or simply an outright takeover. Based on some of the responses we've seen from Republican lawmakers, they would largely support any one of those moves.
Some of you may say this is all part of his grift, or trying to rile the base for the GA senate races, or to keep the base agitated for 2022 and beyond...but I think it's more than that. What if he just declares himself winner and most of congressional Republicans agree to it? Again, the Constitution means nothing if it's merely ignored.
If they can change the rules on the fly to obstruct a SCOTUS nominee, who is to say they can't obstruct the election??? As far as people pouring into the streets to protest...that's why Esper was fired, so the next guy would have no objections to initiating the Insurrection Act.
sportage
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Listen, so..... when.... exactly.... is.... Donald Trump supposed to concede? Supposed to turn over the presidency? Bill Barr just announced another set of investigations into claims of election fraud, while Donald Trump’s lawyers are filing more and more lawsuits, and old Mitch McConnell insists Donald Trump must have his day in court even if that day goes on for another 4 years. So.... when exactly is this concession thing supposed to happen? Will it be like Donald Trump’s taxes where for the last 4 years they have been under audit? So,Trump claims. The never ending audit? Come on people, Donald Trump isn’t going anywhere as long as the lawsuits keep coming and the bill Barr investigations keep going. Mark my words, it will come down to January 20th, Joe Biden will possibly have his inauguration with Joe Biden paying the bill for it and no one from the Republican side attending except for a very few. And then what ??? And.... then what ????? Donald Trump will still be in the Whitehouse, Bill Barr will still be starting investigations, and Mitch McConnell will be telling the American people that WE HAVE TO WAIT, WE HAVE TO WAIT. And I suspect the same from the US Supreme Court, AMERICA MUST WAIT, AMERICA MUST WAIT. And that goes on for the next 4 years. Will the military removed Donald Trump from the Whitehouse? I doubt that. Not when Donald Trump, not when the us senate, not when the US Supreme Court still claims the election has not been settled. Like I’m saying, we’re going to need a bigger United States. An east and a west. Trump for his half an Joe Biden for the rest of us. We can scream and shout, march and protest, burn down the country and that’s not going to get Donald Trump out of the Whitehouse. Just like with Donald Trump’s tax audit, this will go on and on and on for exactly 4 more years..... and then some.
I think you’re getting a little hysterical. While what Trump and Barr are doing is in fact very destructive the idea that Trump will commit a coup in January 20th and seize absolute power isn’t really warranted.
I would say that we need to remain vigilant about it because it is not impossible and anyone who thinks so is naive but we are not close to there yet.
sportage
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Well let’s hope you’re right. But we know these people.... and they are digging in deeper, not digging out. I’m just saying DON’T BE SURPRISED. After all the votes are counted, and their crap still continues on, well... I hate to say I’m right, but I’m right.
To be clear I don't care if they keep whining about it. (well, I do, but it's not an existential threat)
What I'm talking about is that I don't think Trump will conduct a coup on January 20th. Like I said though, for the first time in my life I am not 100% sure of this and so we should remain vigilant.
BarkingGhostar
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Voter fraud? What has changed technically that would empower anyone to be able to successfully commit voter fraud? AFAIK, nothing changed in my voting experience, but that is just me. I doubt that some wonder tech being employed this time around could successfully flip the election results unless the race was close anyway. But then again I have been a staunch advocate of a 1% rule in which if the competing parties come within 1% of each other then they split the electoral votes down the middle. Even with that Biden wins.
Trump started the is chief by putting an a-hole into place at the USPS to deliberate try to skew the election results by impeding absentee ballots which he probably figured, and rightfully so, would be democrats. He's doing nothing more than throwing a temper tantrum like any otherIirish boy not getting his way. Shoot, not he's insulting the Irish in this country, too!
Trump started the is chief by putting an a-hole into place at the USPS to deliberate try to skew the election results by impeding absentee ballots which he probably figured, and rightfully so, would be democrats. He's doing nothing more than throwing a temper tantrum like any otherIirish boy not getting his way. Shoot, not he's insulting the Irish in this country, too!
The problem is, you/us/many assume our traditional laws and norms will protect us. When they've done anything but in this timeline the last 4 years. And nothing has seemingly "stuck" to or deterred Trump...not Mueller, not impeachment, not taxes, etc. Who's to say he simply rejects the EC votes. What if the majority of congressional Republicans support it? Dueling Presidents?
Again, we've seen how this administration has acted the last 4 years. Why do we suddenly expect them to abide by the rules, even our most tim honored and sacred ones. I feel like nothing is out of the realm of possibility. The military has said it won't get involved, but with Esper gone, who knows?
This is unprecedented in that if anybody has ever tried something like this in the past, both parties would have roundly condemned them. Now? The majority of Republicans are fine with it. Checks and balances are long gone. The SCOTUS could rule 9-0 against them and I bet they would still try to impose their will. I worry we are in big, big trouble.
What bothers me more than anything with this election is the BLATANT Hypocracy by Republican politicians. You can play video of them and their words to their face and they will simply reply "That was then, this is now".
McConnell's comment "10 million voters will be very unhappy while 10 million other voters will be very happy" is especially worrisome. They don't see anyway that this will come back to bite them because the Trump base will support them (helping them keep their jobs/honeypots/money) as long as they support Trump.
THAT is what scares me.
McConnell's comment "10 million voters will be very unhappy while 10 million other voters will be very happy" is especially worrisome. They don't see anyway that this will come back to bite them because the Trump base will support them (helping them keep their jobs/honeypots/money) as long as they support Trump.
THAT is what scares me.
Where did you get from my post that I assumed laws and norms would protect us? I mean I literally said I'm not convinced Trump won't attempt a coup.
No the rule never changed. The Senate leader controls what comes up in the chamber. Only the excuse changed used to defend their actions. Moscow Mitch was in his legal right to block the nomination. And the orange loser had the right appoint another justice within his term.
But Pelosi is also in her right to impeach him again in these last few weeks if necessary.
I bet Moscow Mitch has already talked to Biden. Explained he has to pretend to support the orange loser until the EC officially votes. At that point, assuming no faithless electorate, Biden will be recognized by the GOP leadership.
Edit. Maybe Congress needs to amend what the Senate leader has to mandatory bring up for consideration. Like the articles of impeachment. Once Pelosi delivered them, Moscow Mitch could not refuse to consider them.
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kage69
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Yep. With so many morons with their heads still up their asses regarding that, I think it's important to remind everyone that propaganda was only one element. The Russians, in addition to psyops at Putin's direction, also committed theft, fraud, money laundering and the false reg of domain names explicitly to assist Trump's run for office.
'The Russians helped Trump steal it' would be more accurate. Republicans shutting down 1,200 voting locations throughout the South certainly helped.
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OP needs to step away from media for a bit. Pop an edible. Go look at blue skies. Youtube kitten videos. Something.
You've done nothing but FUD, bedwetting, and what if for the last 7+ days.
You've done nothing but FUD, bedwetting, and what if for the last 7+ days.
There's a good chance that could exacerbate the OP's current mental state.
OP, please dose 10 mg or lower.
sportage
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I still think that the plan is for Trump and his enablers to run out clock. Counting the votes is still going on, lawsuits are still being filed, Barr has began investigations. All this will take months, time, and we haven’t begun to consider the US Supreme Courts involvement or how many months that would take. True, Trump lawyers don’t have the evidence to take this to the high court, however..... if along with Barr investigations and more lawsuits from Trump, an illusion of national chaos could be created and that would force the Supreme Court to get involved. And THAT is what republicans want. Once at the high court, we know how this is going to turn out.....
nickqt
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Many of Trumps donors are pulling out. Trump is aggressively seeking donations to pay for lawsuits and recounts in these handful of states where Biden won, but some GOP donors are already moving on to other fights, such as a pair of runoff elections in Georgia that could flip the Senate. An abandonment of institutional Republican donors for Trump’s legal cause would leave the campaign in a tough spot as it vows to launch these "legal battles". A multifront effort that would almost certainly require the party to shell out tens of millions of dollars in legal fees.
Ain't gonna happen. TrumpCo are just raiding the Treasury and grifting his donors. Trump and any Republican who goes down this road is just embarrassing themselves at this point. He's toast.
Ain't gonna happen. TrumpCo are just raiding the Treasury and grifting his donors. Trump and any Republican who goes down this road is just embarrassing themselves at this point. He's toast.
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