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"..The boy -- a fourth-grader described as a well-behaved and good student -- cried during the meeting with his mom, the deputy and the school's assistant principal."


pvssy
 
Originally posted by: rrahman1
"..The boy -- a fourth-grader described as a well-behaved and good student -- cried during the meeting with his mom, the deputy and the school's assistant principal."


pvssy
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Shut up. He was probably ~ 10 years old.
 
Originally posted by: rrahman1
"..The boy -- a fourth-grader described as a well-behaved and good student -- cried during the meeting with his mom, the deputy and the school's assistant principal."


pvssy
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Meh. What Aphex said.
 
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: dbk
I blame the stupid teacher that overreacted in this situation.
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hell, i only got 2 days suspension when i got caught with a switchblade at school... and the only reason it even went to the office is because the teacher moved it from one drawer in her desk to another and forgot, then accused me of stealing it back from her. she was going to give it back to me at the end of the school day. my suspension was written as stealing from the teachers desk, not having a weapon. and i was notorious for trouble at school.
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My senior year of high school, someone tattled on me for having a pocket knife at school that I used to cut up an apple at lunch (had it in my pocket every day.) Luckily, I was a favorite around there and the tattler was one of the kids that got in trouble every day, so the principal just called me into his office and asked me to leave it at home from now on. Didn't get in trouble at all. 🙂 If it had happened today, they would have probably had me taken to jail in handcuffs.
 

I got a reply. ATOT have any ideas for a good response?

Originally posted by: Director of Communications
Dear Mr. XXXXX:

South Carolina has no statewide disciplinary policy, which means that
local school administrators, supervised by locally elected school
boards, are the last word. Local school districts are largely
autonomous.

I don't know anything about the incident you describe other than four
paragraphs on the Internet. But I do know this: Schools frequently
find themselves in a public relations bind in these situations. Because
they protect the privacy of young students involved in disciplinary
actions, they don't tell the news media everything they know ? even
when their reticence ends up getting them flogged in the news media.

Remember the last time we had a story like this in South Carolina? A
student in Columbia was suspended (or expelled, I can't remember which)
"just for kissing a girl on the school bus." Lots of public outrage
resulted. Because of my position here, I was able to find out what
actually happened. But once I knew the facts, then I became "stuck,"
too.

Like the school district, I can't tell you everything I know because I
believe that young kids should not have their misbehavior spotlighted on
CNN. Again, because school districts try to protect the privacy of
these kids, they don't always tell the news media everything they know.
It's the right thing to do, it's the ethical thing to do, and in some
cases, federal privacy laws apply.

I hope this helps.

Jim Foster
Director of Communications
South Carolina Department of Education
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Sounds like typical BS, sure there could be "unknowns", but what is a 10 year old doing that is so horrible it had to be hidden from the media?

 
Originally posted by: TruePaige

I got a reply. ATOT have any ideas for a good response?

Originally posted by: Director of Communications
Dear Mr. XXXXX:

South Carolina has no statewide disciplinary policy, which means that
local school administrators, supervised by locally elected school
boards, are the last word. Local school districts are largely
autonomous.

I don't know anything about the incident you describe other than four
paragraphs on the Internet. But I do know this: Schools frequently
find themselves in a public relations bind in these situations. Because
they protect the privacy of young students involved in disciplinary
actions, they don't tell the news media everything they know ? even
when their reticence ends up getting them flogged in the news media.

Remember the last time we had a story like this in South Carolina? A
student in Columbia was suspended (or expelled, I can't remember which)
"just for kissing a girl on the school bus." Lots of public outrage
resulted. Because of my position here, I was able to find out what
actually happened. But once I knew the facts, then I became "stuck,"
too.

Like the school district, I can't tell you everything I know because I
believe that young kids should not have their misbehavior spotlighted on
CNN. Again, because school districts try to protect the privacy of
these kids, they don't always tell the news media everything they know.
It's the right thing to do, it's the ethical thing to do, and in some
cases, federal privacy laws apply.

I hope this helps.

Jim Foster
Director of Communications
South Carolina Department of Education
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Sounds like typical BS, sure there could be "unknowns", but what is a 10 year old doing that is so horrible it had to be hidden from the media?
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Yup, its BS.
The kid was officially thrown out of school for 2 days and we have a sheriff talking about why.
He's a great politician. Knows that talking and talking and not actually SAYING anything is the best way to cover his ass.
 
Originally posted by: TruePaige

I got a reply. ATOT have any ideas for a good response?

Originally posted by: Director of Communications
Dear Mr. XXXXX:

South Carolina has no statewide disciplinary policy, which means that
local school administrators, supervised by locally elected school
boards, are the last word. Local school districts are largely
autonomous.

I don't know anything about the incident you describe other than four
paragraphs on the Internet. But I do know this: Schools frequently
find themselves in a public relations bind in these situations. Because
they protect the privacy of young students involved in disciplinary
actions, they don't tell the news media everything they know ? even
when their reticence ends up getting them flogged in the news media.

Remember the last time we had a story like this in South Carolina? A
student in Columbia was suspended (or expelled, I can't remember which)
"just for kissing a girl on the school bus." Lots of public outrage
resulted. Because of my position here, I was able to find out what
actually happened. But once I knew the facts, then I became "stuck,"
too.

Like the school district, I can't tell you everything I know because I
believe that young kids should not have their misbehavior spotlighted on
CNN. Again, because school districts try to protect the privacy of
these kids, they don't always tell the news media everything they know.
It's the right thing to do, it's the ethical thing to do, and in some
cases, federal privacy laws apply.

I hope this helps.

Jim Foster
Director of Communications
South Carolina Department of Education
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Sounds like typical BS, sure there could be "unknowns", but what is a 10 year old doing that is so horrible it had to be hidden from the media?
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Maybe he actually tried to use the blade as a weapon? It's very possible that the school would not legally be allowed to disclose that sort of information.

Anyway, everybody remember that the press has its own agenda.

"If a story ain't good enough to publish, MAKE it good enough to publish! Facts be darned!"

 
"Zero-Tolerance" has been the downfall of this nation.
That we cannot judge the severity of something on a case by case basis flies in the face of the very principals this nation was founded on, and throws the entire due process arguement out with the bath water.

To say that exc3eptions can't be made is the most hypocritical statement ever uttered. Exceptions are made all the time, what they mean to say is that exceptions vcan't be made for YOU !
 
I have another reply from them.

Thank you for writing, Mr. XXXXX. I'm sure you understand that we cannot discuss the specifics but below is a response from the principal. We appreciate your care in writing and hope that you trust us that there is more to this story.

Sincerely,
Valerie Truesdale
Superintendent

Hilton Head Island International Baccalaureate Elementary
30 School Road
Hilton Head Island, SC 29926

Thank you for your interest in our school.

We regret that inaccuracies in a local news story created an impression that we do not use common sense in working with our children. While I cannot discuss a minor child's case, I want to advise you that the Beaufort County School District does not have a zero tolerance policy. In our elementary school, all discipline is progressive. Our students have pencil sharpeners in each classroom as well as individual sharpeners in their art boxes. The student was not suspended for having a pencil sharpener.

He had an exposed blade which created a dangerous setting for the student and other children. The student was suspended for one day for inappropriate behavior in the classroom. The suspension was warranted. Please visit our school web site to know more about our wonderful school.
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If this is true, then I can kind of understand...but they don't dispel that it was a pencil sharpener blade.
 
Originally posted by: rivan
I guess we should outlaw pencils too. I got stabbed by a pencil once. Pens should go, too. Paper cuts can be damned lethal, and books could be used as bludgeons. Please bolt all desks and chairs to the floor. Chemistry class should go, too ? all that potential harm with glass and beakers full of chemicals. Pad the walls and swap out all the glass windows for plexiglass. Don't get me started on gym class and the potential for injury...

:disgust:
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The bus ride is dangerous too. No seat belts. And statistically, being in a motor vehicle is one of the most dangerous things you can do in your daily routine.

Better just put your kids in cryogenic storage until we've cured mortality.

 
Originally posted by: TruePaige

I got a reply. ATOT have any ideas for a good response?

Originally posted by: Director of Communications
Dear Mr. XXXXX:

South Carolina has no statewide disciplinary policy, which means that
local school administrators, supervised by locally elected school
boards, are the last word. Local school districts are largely
autonomous.

I don't know anything about the incident you describe other than four
paragraphs on the Internet. But I do know this: Schools frequently
find themselves in a public relations bind in these situations. Because
they protect the privacy of young students involved in disciplinary
actions, they don't tell the news media everything they know ? even
when their reticence ends up getting them flogged in the news media.

Remember the last time we had a story like this in South Carolina? A
student in Columbia was suspended (or expelled, I can't remember which)
"just for kissing a girl on the school bus." Lots of public outrage
resulted. Because of my position here, I was able to find out what
actually happened. But once I knew the facts, then I became "stuck,"
too.

Like the school district, I can't tell you everything I know because I
believe that young kids should not have their misbehavior spotlighted on
CNN. Again, because school districts try to protect the privacy of
these kids, they don't always tell the news media everything they know.
It's the right thing to do, it's the ethical thing to do, and in some
cases, federal privacy laws apply.

I hope this helps.

Jim Foster
Director of Communications
South Carolina Department of Education
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Sounds like typical BS, sure there could be "unknowns", but what is a 10 year old doing that is so horrible it had to be hidden from the media?
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You actually got a reply?

I guess you must have been nicer in the email then I was, still nothing here.
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: TruePaige

I got a reply. ATOT have any ideas for a good response?

Originally posted by: Director of Communications
Dear Mr. XXXXX:

South Carolina has no statewide disciplinary policy, which means that
local school administrators, supervised by locally elected school
boards, are the last word. Local school districts are largely
autonomous.

I don't know anything about the incident you describe other than four
paragraphs on the Internet. But I do know this: Schools frequently
find themselves in a public relations bind in these situations. Because
they protect the privacy of young students involved in disciplinary
actions, they don't tell the news media everything they know ? even
when their reticence ends up getting them flogged in the news media.

Remember the last time we had a story like this in South Carolina? A
student in Columbia was suspended (or expelled, I can't remember which)
"just for kissing a girl on the school bus." Lots of public outrage
resulted. Because of my position here, I was able to find out what
actually happened. But once I knew the facts, then I became "stuck,"
too.

Like the school district, I can't tell you everything I know because I
believe that young kids should not have their misbehavior spotlighted on
CNN. Again, because school districts try to protect the privacy of
these kids, they don't always tell the news media everything they know.
It's the right thing to do, it's the ethical thing to do, and in some
cases, federal privacy laws apply.

I hope this helps.

Jim Foster
Director of Communications
South Carolina Department of Education
Click to expand...


Sounds like typical BS, sure there could be "unknowns", but what is a 10 year old doing that is so horrible it had to be hidden from the media?
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You actually got a reply?

I guess you must have been nicer in the email then I was, still nothing here.
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I was quite civil, and got replies from both departments.

As per the "cover your own ass" quota, they don't say much except to assure me I've got it allll wrong. =p
 
When I was a kid, most boys carried pocket knives and from age 10 or eleven, most girls carried metal nail files. Oh the horror, the carnage, the blood soaked halls! It's a wonder we ever survived grade school.
 
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
When I was a kid, most boys carried pocket knives and from age 10 or eleven, most girls carried metal nail files. Oh the horror, the carnage, the blood soaked halls! It's a wonder we ever survived grade school.
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When my father was in school half the farm kids brought their shotguns to school because they went hunting during their lunch break or right after school. All they had to do was check their shotguns at the principal's office. I graduated from the same high school, things have changed a bit. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: TruePaige
I have another reply from them.

Thank you for writing, Mr. XXXXX. I'm sure you understand that we cannot discuss the specifics but below is a response from the principal. We appreciate your care in writing and hope that you trust us that there is more to this story.

Sincerely,
Valerie Truesdale
Superintendent

Hilton Head Island International Baccalaureate Elementary
30 School Road
Hilton Head Island, SC 29926

Thank you for your interest in our school.

We regret that inaccuracies in a local news story created an impression that we do not use common sense in working with our children. While I cannot discuss a minor child's case, I want to advise you that the Beaufort County School District does not have a zero tolerance policy. In our elementary school, all discipline is progressive. Our students have pencil sharpeners in each classroom as well as individual sharpeners in their art boxes. The student was not suspended for having a pencil sharpener.

He had an exposed blade which created a dangerous setting for the student and other children. The student was suspended for one day for inappropriate behavior in the classroom. The suspension was warranted. Please visit our school web site to know more about our wonderful school.
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If this is true, then I can kind of understand...but they don't dispel that it was a pencil sharpener blade.
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what? you expected a news article not from foxnews would be factually complete and accurate?
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
"Zero-Tolerance" has been the downfall of this nation.
That we cannot judge the severity of something on a case by case basis flies in the face of the very principals this nation was founded on, and throws the entire due process arguement out with the bath water.

To say that exc3eptions can't be made is the most hypocritical statement ever uttered. Exceptions are made all the time, what they mean to say is that exceptions vcan't be made for YOU !
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Go cry more about your right-wing employer not paying for your gas.
 
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
When I was a kid, most boys carried pocket knives and from age 10 or eleven, most girls carried metal nail files. Oh the horror, the carnage, the blood soaked halls! It's a wonder we ever survived grade school.
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When my father was in school half the farm kids brought their shotguns to school because they went hunting during their lunch break or right after school. All they had to do was check their shotguns at the principal's office. I graduated from the same high school, things have changed a bit. 🙂
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Things have changed a bit. Mostly because parents feel they no longer have time or, it's the school's job or, I don't want to get involved. Fear, antithapy and, laziness have allowed children to push their boundaries until society breaks.

Was the past 'golden?' Hell no, we had rampant racism, sexism and repression. And yet, no kids shot each other, kids graduated HS and went to affordable colleges/tech schools and, kids knew what behaviors they had better change around adults anyways. In short, kids knew how to play the game.

Now, not only are kids not taught how to play the game, we have endless debate over the value of the game. Don't like the way our society is going? WTF do you think is going to change it?
 
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: buck
Jeebus, when is this shit going to stop?
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When they start offering common sense and individual thinking courses in colleges. Delete government backed propaganda news networks. *cough*Fox News*cough*
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Troll. Fox News has no bearing on a lack of common sense in the entire country.
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I beg to differ. Fox News is full of hate and fear mongering.
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no different than any other major network news.

all news corporations have a slant. the sooner you recognize that, and the direction of their slant, the better.
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I'll agree that they're all slanted. I disagree that there's no difference between their slants.
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you say that because of your own slanted views, recognizing them as completely out of whack because they are so far from your own viewpoint.

yesterday i heard a report from MSNBC news (actual news, not editorial) deriding fox news in a rather unprofessional manner. (fox noise, faux news, etc) while i understand that editorial programs like orielly factor, and whatever MSNBC's equivalent is insult eachother on a daily basis, to see it from a news anchor is disgusting.
 
I went to a reject HS where the science teacher nearly got me suspended for playing with an electromagnet powered by a 9v battery - that is, I completed the circuit for a few seconds and mentioned that it was getting hotter.....like it's supposed to. The teacher went berserk and told me that I would've set the building on fire and took me to the dean's office and called my mother. She got annoyed and yelled at the teacher that she has no time for such BS. I loved my mother. RIP.
 
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