erikistired
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I cannot tell the difference between high quality mp3 and CD quality, on a GOOD SOUND SETUP... but 128 -> 192+ is noticeable on a good sound setup no question.
DT4K
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It's not 8 pages, it's 3 pages. If I only see 3 pages, than it's only 3 pages gahhhdddaammmittt.
Wait, wait, what I meant was that the majority of people only see 3 pages.
Wait, no, what I meant was that some guy who created the page numbering display told me it's only 3 pages.
Wait, wait, you misinterpreted what I said and what I really meant was .... awww, fvck it, I'm running away now to go change my username and hope nobody will remember what a complete and utter dumbfvck I am.
EDIT: But thanks for the entertainment OP. Watching everyone bitchslap you was hilarious. I'm really still stunned that people this stupid exist.
M4H for Elite !!!
Same here. I don't see how you can't notice. While it is still listenable I much prefer at least 192 Kbps for MP3, but CD is still better.
I can usually tell very easily by the cymbal and hi hat sound, assuming those are playing.
It depends on the type of music you're listening to. If there's a lot going on, you can easily hear the bitrate limitations of 128kbps MP3. There's nothing I hate more than compressed cymbals!
Haha. Yeah, amongst other things. I'm involved in 3 different semi-serious projects and one not-so-serious one, plus what I do on my own. I've been so busy trying to get my guitar playing up to speed to incorporate it into my electronic music that I haven't even really been applying myself to the electronic side of things lately.
Just so you know, that song that I posted up here a while back was made while I was dusted out of my head. I've got more stuff that I've done since then, maybe later tonight after my daughter goes to bed I'll post something new up.
No thanks, I have thousands of great records by professional musicians, I don't need to hear some amateur powerslop.
Good luck with it though. I suggest focusing on real music, so play the guitar and real instruments more.
silverpig
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Play something with a lot of high hat in it. I'm listening to Pink Floyd - Money right now and it's a great example. mp3 hacks off the high frequency sounds so things like the high-hat sound like ass.
There was a test someone posted a few years ago where a user had a small .wav clip and posted that along with .wav -> 128 kbps mp3 -> .wav, and similar files using 192 kbps vbr, 320 kbps cbr, and 2 other codecs. It took a lot of listening, but I was able to discern the 320 cbr from the original, but it was very very tough. Was only 60/40 sure, but the 128 kbps mp3 was the easiest one to pick out.
There was a test someone posted a few years ago where a user had a small .wav clip and posted that along with .wav -> 128 kbps mp3 -> .wav, and similar files using 192 kbps vbr, 320 kbps cbr, and 2 other codecs. It took a lot of listening, but I was able to discern the 320 cbr from the original, but it was very very tough. Was only 60/40 sure, but the 128 kbps mp3 was the easiest one to pick out.
konakona
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the whole debate is quite moot. little or not there is an improvement in certain cases, and storage devices going for so cheap you better have some good reason not to encode your own stuff in FLAC/APE/WMA lossless. no need to keep lossy/lossless files redundantly just for the sake of DAPs, just use oggdrop and you are set. case closed.
I've delved deeper into the scene than you can even imagine. I have more vinyl sitting here and in storage than you have ever seen. I don't need to start an argument.
I used to pay my bills with electronic music. I just don't want to hear another amateur "producers" tracks that they think are cutting edge or even different from the other billions of mediocre tracks out there.
Electronic music doesn't follow the conventions of any other types of music. It does not follow musical scale, it does not follow any rules of music. It is, in reality, a mix of sounds arranged in an arbitrary beat structure played very loud for kids on drugs.
Don't get me wrong, I have thousands of techno, techhouse, house, dnb and downbeat tracks that I still think are great. But I won't kid myself into thinking that it takes true talent to arrange electronic music, because it doesn't.
Supposedly the gold has better reflectivity than the aluminum in regular CD's and IIRC if you hold them up to the light you don't see pinholes through the gold like you do with the aluminum (never really saw that with Al, but whatever). I couldn't tell you because I never spent the money for the gold, I tend to think that aspect is mostly marketing.
The major difference with most of the gold discs is not what they're made of, but that they were remastered for audiophiles. The Master of Puppets gold disc is one of those, done by DCC. However, I would guess it's a really poor example for doing a comparison to the regular CD issue, as that music doesn't have a lot of dynamic range or many different instruments/voices going on all at once. I don't see how the best mastering engineer can do much with that and I'm not surprised that it doesn't really sound different.
thread by the guy (Steve Hoffman) who remastered Metallica for DCC, yep he says the master mix was already heavily compressed. That's his personal website by the way, the messageboard has some good stuff and has grown a lot in the last couple years.
0roo0roo
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and those were seriously poor examples. no real singing voice or complexity. theres a reason VBR mp3's work, not all segments require high bitrate for minimal transparence. but even if 5% of the song is below the real bitrate it needs, the entire thing is essentially ruined. its like me showing you a slow scene encoded at x bitrate on video and claiming it is perfect when the reality is that it turns to macroblock hell when theres action. humans are very sensitive to even small errors. i find it easiest to notice 128kbs artifacts in the singers voice, or very easily in orchestral music where stringed instruments get hints of synth quite often. its true that techno type music is less noticable. some artifacts can be overlooked as part of the artificial nature of the music. but when you hear artifical artifacts in natrual voices/instruments, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
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