Seriously, do we really want all this 3D stuff? CES Rant.

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Bignate603

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I also fail to see the point in all these touch-screen smartphones. I bought a Blackberry because I realize that they (touchscreen phones) will be failboat in a few years and you can't do serious work on them. So, I got the phone that lets me read email somewhat decently and functions well with phone calls.

If I only wanted to read email I wouldn't need a touch screen but actually doing a web search or navigating a real webpage on a non-touchscreen phone annoys me. I don't want to tab through to get to the link I want, I want to scroll to it and click.

As for the 3D tvs, I don't think it will be worthwhile unless you have an absolutely massive screen that you sit incredibly close to. For sports, any shot that is from far enough out to show a decent amount of the field will be useless in 3D. If one guy is 100 feet from the camera and another is 110 feet from the camera the 3D effect will be so diminished that you won't see a difference.

For Avatar in 3D I didn't really notice a huge effect. It was pretty seamless and besides the fact I had to wear glasses it didn't have any real drawbacks.
 

Platypus

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Have you tried a RealD 3D movie? I cannot imagine failing to see 3D, unless, say, you are blind in one eye or missing an eye. Of which, then it's understandable.

I'm partially colorblind and had no trouble seeing all the 3D goodness of Avatar in RealD 3D.

Several, my eyes do not see in stereo. I can choose which eye I want to look through. Because of that, I only have actual 'focus' usage out of one eye at a time. I can see perfectly fine out of both eyes but no details from the opposing eye. I just re-read that and it sounds confusing as hell but I don't know how else to explain it. If I'm watching something with my right eye (always use this for distance), my left eye can see still but it cannot focus on anything in particular without 'taking over' as the eye I'm looking through.
 

FuzzyDunlop

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Until R2D2 comes to my living room and displays an actual 3D rendering of Princess Leah, Im uninterested.
 

Alienwho

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Avatar was the first movie I saw in 3d and I was very disappointed with it. I was expecting Disney-park type 3d where everything was really 3d coming right at your face. Instead all I got was the camera force focusing me on whatever they thought I should be looking at the time while everything else was out of focus.

3d is a total gimmick. This is the virtual reality craze of the 90's toned down into something we can actually purchase and consume but is still just as stupid.

I will embrace 3d when 1) I don't have to wear glasses. 2) When I can feel like I can reach out my hand and grab the image. 3) It's not just a gimmick to sell "3d enabled" tv's to the same people who bought brand new HDTV's last year.
 

Beev

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3D won't matter to me until it's holographic and 3D in the sense that I can look around myself and see things that appear real, not just on a screen.
 

Raduque

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Several, my eyes do not see in stereo. I can choose which eye I want to look through. Because of that, I only have actual 'focus' usage out of one eye at a time. I can see perfectly fine out of both eyes but no details from the opposing eye. I just re-read that and it sounds confusing as hell but I don't know how else to explain it. If I'm watching something with my right eye (always use this for distance), my left eye can see still but it cannot focus on anything in particular without 'taking over' as the eye I'm looking through.

I have the same issue. I'm pretty sure it causes my lack of depth perception.

3D won't matter to me until it's holographic and 3D in the sense that I can look around myself and see things that appear real, not just on a screen.

I've said basically the same thing several times and everybody keeps ignoring it.
 

feralkid

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Jan 28, 2002
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I chortle, nay, I guffaw at the present day afficionados. 3D has been around since the 1890's, brought back many times and has never caught on.

I recall going to 3D movies in the 1950's and they sucked. Just because the resolution has changed doesn't mean they suck any less. You still have to wear those stupid glasses to get the effect.

Yeh, I can only wonder 'what the fuck' as each generation is fed the same old crap and thinks it is something new.

3-D films have existed in some form since 1890,



So have curmudgeons.
 

Crono

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Aug 8, 2001
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The only 3D I want (aside from real life, of course) is full, immersive VR.

You know, the kind that was supposed to be here by now, along with our flying cars, instant food makers, etc.
 

destrekor

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Avatar was the first movie I saw in 3d and I was very disappointed with it. I was expecting Disney-park type 3d where everything was really 3d coming right at your face. Instead all I got was the camera force focusing me on whatever they thought I should be looking at the time while everything else was out of focus.

3d is a total gimmick. This is the virtual reality craze of the 90's toned down into something we can actually purchase and consume but is still just as stupid.

I will embrace 3d when 1) I don't have to wear glasses. 2) When I can feel like I can reach out my hand and grab the image. 3) It's not just a gimmick to sell "3d enabled" tv's to the same people who bought brand new HDTV's last year.

What you were expecting is cheap 3D gimmicks.
No matter what you expect for 3D, the stuff "flying at your face" is equally as forced as using focus to control the viewer's experience. You can't pick and choose what flies out off the screen on your own, it's all controlled by the people behind the movie.

Avatar was a subtle, more engrossing, 3D.
I imagine the people who cannot see this must have less of an ability to determine depth from subtle clues (depth perception).

Myself, I have excellent depth perception (even when having mild red/green color deficiency and requiring corrective optics to reach 20/20, partly from mild astigmatism). With high-quality HD video, I can get a sense of "dimensionality", as if certain things pop out from the background, with just a regular LCD display.

Avatar, went above and beyond anything I expected or ever experienced for dimensionality. I felt like, from the camera, I could touch most of the foreground items, while the background items felt far beyond the projection screen. Everything had depth to it, there was a noticeable depth to people that was very easy to pick out. Looking at the image in a certain way, I felt like I was looking at them as if they were right in front of me, albeit with massive heads due to sitting so damn close to the screen. I felt like I got closer to certain things, or went to the extreme sides of the theater, I should expect to see something in a different angle. Granted, that isn't the case, but that's the perception I had. I like that, as you can't get that with 2D. The best HD sources come the closest, but far from a match.

If more directors choose to use 3D in the way James Cameron used it for Avatar, I will be drooling and racing for a 3D television.

Yes, I want something akin to VR, but I can find myself easily getting hyped for the current 3D experience if the movie uses it correctly.

Note, I have not seen any other RealD 3D movie, as I've been looking at current 3D as mostly a cheap gimmicky parlor trick as well. The hype around the 3D experience, and then the reviews that came pouring in about the 3D, demanded that I give it a try.
Maybe some animated movies achieve the same style too, I dunno. But I do know not a single thing I've witnessed from anaglyph glasses (red/blue) ever came close to what I saw with Avatar.
 

coloumb

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I guess I want to believe in a life: unplugged.

But then, what am I doing here?

End of rant.

Maybe you just need a 2 week vacation in [insert your favorite vacation spots here]?

Or you want the life like the 2 people in the Corona commercial - guy is seated on a beach next to his girlfriend. He's tossing rocks into the sea. Suddenly - you hear a noise... a few moments later, you see him go for another rock, yet he picks up the cell phone instead and tosses it into the sea. :)

Alas -we do need these new toys to bring down the cost of the current overpriced toys so the rest of us can afford the current overpriced toys. :)
 

Muadib

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The only 3D I want (aside from real life, of course) is full, immersive VR.

You know, the kind that was supposed to be here by now, along with our flying cars, instant food makers, etc.

I look at this 3D stuff as being one step closer to that.
 

F1N3ST

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Oh come on, you know everyone will shit their pants to be able to watch 3D at home all the time. Just imagine the possibilities!

Syfy movies, IN 3D!
The Biggest Loser, IN 3D!
American Idol, IN 3D!
Dr Phil, IN 3D!
Cake Boss, IN 3D!
Dog the Bounty Hunter, IN 3D!
Hoarders, IN 3D!
5 O'Clock News, IN 3D!
6 O'Clock News, IN 3D!
10 O'Clock News, IN 3D!
11 O'Clock News, IN 3D!

:awe:!!!
 

zerocool84

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Nov 11, 2004
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Avatar, went above and beyond anything I expected or ever experienced for dimensionality. I felt like, from the camera, I could touch most of the foreground items, while the background items felt far beyond the projection screen. Everything had depth to it, there was a noticeable depth to people that was very easy to pick out. Looking at the image in a certain way, I felt like I was looking at them as if they were right in front of me, albeit with massive heads due to sitting so damn close to the screen. I felt like I got closer to certain things, or went to the extreme sides of the theater, I should expect to see something in a different angle. Granted, that isn't the case, but that's the perception I had. I like that, as you can't get that with 2D. The best HD sources come the closest, but far from a match.

Avatar had only 2 shots in the whole movie that made me think this was cool in 3D. One was they were in that little sacred area with the little vines hanging down and the little fluffy things were floating down. Other than that everything else was just thrown in there. Panning problems and focus problems were everywhere. Glasses were uncomfortable as well.
 

lokiju

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The only time 3D will become main stream is when it can be experienced without glasses.
 

Locut0s

Lifer
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The only time 3D will become main stream is when it can be experienced without glasses.

They are producing TVs now that can. Of course it will be a few years off before it's mainstream but the technology is here now. It just a matter of getting costs down and convincing content providers to get on. I really am not looking forward to 3D everything though. Like I said above the only benefit I can see is in Video Games and a few other niche areas. 3D doesn't make The Godfather better, it makes it worse.
 

yhelothar

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The problem with autostereoscopic displays is the very narrow viewing angle. Imagine having a group of friends over to watch the game. You need at least a 120 degree viewing angle to make it worth while and the larger the better.

You are mistaken. Autostereoscopic displays can actually provide multiple views at different angles, so you can actually look around objects.

Philips actually has one called the WOWvx that can show 23 angles, which is helluva more advanced than the standard 1 angle that you get from your average glasses type screens.
 

yhelothar

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OK. It's not fucking awesome. It's lame garbage attempting to trick my brain into thinking a flat 2D image is psuedo 3D.
I don't want things to "jump out of" a display; I want them to actually EXIST OUTSIDE a display.

Call me when we develop true 3D holographic projection technology and use THAT for displays.

Convergence(angle eyes goes into when looking at something close) and accomodation(eye muscles focusing) cues are fairly weak cues for depth perception. Thus tricking your brain into thinking a flat 2D image is 3d just from the binocular disparity would be extremely convincing.
The only issue is that a few people get naseous off of it.

But virtual retinal displays is gonna change all that :)
It's the next step to creating a fully convincing 3D immersive experience, if not the final step. Think matrix level of immersion.
http://www.hitl.washington.edu/projects/true3d/
 

Ben90

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Im in absolute love with 3d 120hz monitors. Ive never once used the 3d feature of them, but for me the technology finally made me get off my old CRT.