Seriously, do we really want all this 3D stuff? CES Rant.

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Locut0s

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I can see it being a positive addition to something like Video Games. Super Mario Galaxy 3D would be awsome. But for the vast majority of content it would just be a useless gimmick.
 

flashbacck

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I am at the point in my life where I no longer get excited about anything entertainment related, and information technology does not impress me if its "cool".
I am more impressed with shit that just fucking works properly. However, since cool sells much better than reliable, I think I know what will be popular this year.

Hell yea. I no longer have the time to sit around and troubleshoot gadgets or software. Stuff that works flawlessly gets major points.
 

PieIsAwesome

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I can see it being a positive addition to something like Video Games. Super Mario Galaxy 3D would be awsome. But for the vast majority of content it would just be a useless gimmick.

But then we would need hardware to push double the framerate and consoles have a hard enough time doing 30 fps as it is.
 

yhelothar

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Yes... hell yes..
especially when autostereoscopic displays become mainstream. That shit is the shit. Imagine you're looking at your monitor and stuff can just jump out of it.
Tell me that's not fucking awesome.

Here are the two technologies out for it
http://www.3d-forums.com/autostereoscopic-displays-t1.html

Supposedly you can convert any screen to 3D by putting on a parallax barrier or buying lenticular lens for it.
ex: this site sells lenticular lens and software to make you display 3D
http://www.iart3d.com/ENG/Products/Autostereoscopic%20Display/Auto3D%20Display_Eng.htm

I soo want one to convert my 24" LCD, but that site is a total rip off. Most places only seem to sell the lenses in bulk. Still searching for one.
 

destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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I think the real advantage is going to be sports (no surprise ESPN is first to the game). HD and the 16x9 aspect ratio totally changed what we see in sports - you see all the players, position, field, etc.

Now take that extra vision with the aspect ratio and HD and take it to 3D. It could be REALLY promising. The new dallas stadium gave it a try this season as I recall, wasn't well received though because folks were already watching the game in real life.

The Dallas Stadium snenanigans, was quite a hilarious attempt to cash in on gimmick, versus offering a rewarding and practical experience.

Because just like you said, if you are at the stadium, you are watching it in real life. You are seeing it in 3D. The 3D feature of a stadium scoreboard offers nothing.
Now, watching a game in 3D at home, THAT allows the opportunity to make it feel like you are there watching it in 3D. I'm no so sure I'll want to sit around watching sports in 3D, but... to each his own.
Maybe once like... every couple of months... but movies would be my main interest, where I sit back and enjoy the ride, versus getting all amped up and excited during a game.
 

Gooberlx2

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Fuck 3DTV. Until they can make it convincing without having to wear some retarded glasses, without eye strain, without headaches, count me out.
 

Locut0s

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Fuck 3DTV. Until they can make it convincing without having to wear some retarded glasses, without eye strain, without headaches, count me out.

They pretty much already have. That's why they are starting to push them so much. Cost and whether it's needed is a different issue.
 

Patranus

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Everyone has an HDTV these days.
The industry much invent "needed" technologies to sell products.
Do we need it? No.
Do most people want it? Probably not.
Will the industry force it on consumers/broadcasters to they can sell hardware? Yes.
 

Jeff7

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All this 3D stuff, like the 3D version of "Up" and "Avatar" - do they require special glasses, or do they just use some weird kind of cameras? How does that work?
Or are they just using the ancient method of a red/blue anaglyph?


The last time I was in a theater, it was to see a movie on film, complete with the rapidly-moving shutter to ensure that a stable image appeared on screen. It felt like watching a CRT with a very low refresh rate. I had to watch it with my eyes partially closed, so my eyelashes could dim down the light; that served to cut down on the flickering effect.
The last time I used 3D glasses, they were with an nVidia card - they were the ones that used LCDs in the glasses to block alternating frames to each eye. That too caused a very unacceptable flickering effect. The visuals were nifty, but I only used them for about 5 minutes, if even that. The flickering was just bad.
 

yhelothar

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All this 3D stuff, like the 3D version of "Up" and "Avatar" - do they require special glasses, or do they just use some weird kind of cameras? How does that work?
Or are they just using the ancient method of a red/blue anaglyph?


The last time I was in a theater, it was to see a movie on film, complete with the rapidly-moving shutter to ensure that a stable image appeared on screen. It felt like watching a CRT with a very low refresh rate. I had to watch it with my eyes partially closed, so my eyelashes could dim down the light; that served to cut down on the flickering effect.
The last time I used 3D glasses, they were with an nVidia card - they were the ones that used LCDs in the glasses to block alternating frames to each eye. That too caused a very unacceptable flickering effect. The visuals were nifty, but I only used them for about 5 minutes, if even that. The flickering was just bad.

Ya it uses polarizing glasses. No shutter glasses or red/blue anagylph.
The only issue with these is that its light transmission is about 50%.
 

StrangerGuy

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Oh come on, you know everyone will shit their pants to be able to watch 3D at home all the time. Just imagine the possibilities!

Syfy movies, IN 3D!
The Biggest Loser, IN 3D!
American Idol, IN 3D!
Dr Phil, IN 3D!
Cake Boss, IN 3D!
Dog the Bounty Hunter, IN 3D!
Hoarders, IN 3D!
5 O'Clock News, IN 3D!
6 O'Clock News, IN 3D!
10 O'Clock News, IN 3D!
11 O'Clock News, IN 3D!

I think my 9600GT just failed.
 

GrantMeThePower

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Yes... hell yes..
especially when autostereoscopic displays become mainstream. That shit is the shit. Imagine you're looking at your monitor and stuff can just jump out of it.
Tell me that's not fucking awesome.

Here are the two technologies out for it
http://www.3d-forums.com/autostereoscopic-displays-t1.html

Supposedly you can convert any screen to 3D by putting on a parallax barrier or buying lenticular lens for it.
ex: this site sells lenticular lens and software to make you display 3D
http://www.iart3d.com/ENG/Products/Autostereoscopic%20Display/Auto3D%20Display_Eng.htm

I soo want one to convert my 24" LCD, but that site is a total rip off. Most places only seem to sell the lenses in bulk. Still searching for one.


The problem with autostereoscopic displays is the very narrow viewing angle. Imagine having a group of friends over to watch the game. You need at least a 120 degree viewing angle to make it worth while and the larger the better.
 

Raduque

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Aug 22, 2004
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Yes... hell yes..
especially when autostereoscopic displays become mainstream. That shit is the shit. Imagine you're looking at your monitor and stuff can just jump out of it.
Tell me that's not fucking awesome.

OK. It's not fucking awesome. It's lame garbage attempting to trick my brain into thinking a flat 2D image is psuedo 3D.
I don't want things to "jump out of" a display; I want them to actually EXIST OUTSIDE a display.

Call me when we develop true 3D holographic projection technology and use THAT for displays.
 

tokie

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I too fail to see the point of this 3D stuff.

Few things interest me at this CES, but there are a few:
- the increasing production of LED-backlit LCD panels, which makes them much thinner
- the production samples of OLED displays (like the see-through one by Samsung)
- Tegra 2, Mobility Radeon 5, and the lifting of NDA for Westmere

I also fail to see the point in all these touch-screen smartphones. I bought a Blackberry because I realize that they (touchscreen phones) will be failboat in a few years and you can't do serious work on them. So, I got the phone that lets me read email somewhat decently and functions well with phone calls.

What I really want is a Tegra2 based 13" notebook running on a nicely skinned Linux/Android OS, manufactured similarly to Apple's notebooks and made of aluminum. That way, I can still watch HD movies on laptop but also get massive battery life. I could also get my productivity work done, and then when I get home for the day just use my yet-to-be-launched 27" 16:9 LED-backlit LCD (hoping for new Apple Cinema Display).
 

destrekor

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I can't see 3D stuff so I hope it's a passing fad.

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Have you tried a RealD 3D movie? I cannot imagine failing to see 3D, unless, say, you are blind in one eye or missing an eye. Of which, then it's understandable.

I'm partially colorblind and had no trouble seeing all the 3D goodness of Avatar in RealD 3D.
 

Raduque

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Aug 22, 2004
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Have you tried a RealD 3D movie? I cannot imagine failing to see 3D, unless, say, you are blind in one eye or missing an eye. Of which, then it's understandable.

I'm partially colorblind and had no trouble seeing all the 3D goodness of Avatar in RealD 3D.

What about those who have no depth perception? I'd imagine that would affect how the stereoscopic 3D effects work. I have little to no depth perception and I can't do any sort of "3D" stuff. those polarized glasses don't work on me, and I can never see the 3D image in one of those repeating-pattern images either.