[Serious] How soon until robots take over the planet?

[GagHalfrunt]

"Last few Presidents intelligence is hard to find". Stupid people often label what they don't understand as stupid. Policy/politics or a social following are often not well understood.
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And sometimes true stupidity is misidentified by pretentious douchebags who can't tell the difference between shit and Shinola and yet desperately want to believe that they're so highly enlightened that they can see something that doesn't exist. It's the same mental defect that leads to oenophiles, audiophiles, modern art aficianados and, ummm, you.

 

[z1ggy]

"Last few Presidents intelligence is hard to find". Stupid people often label what they don't understand as stupid. Policy/politics or a social following are often not well understood.



I mentioned above reasons why the moment reflects the future. Generally in any field the low hanging fruit comes first and it turns out in AI there's not much.

That's why there's such a thing as disruptive technology. You make a breakthrough, steadily incline using that tech, and then you either hit a wall and stagnant or a disruptor comes along and accelerates you back onto the curve. So far in human history, this has proven true.

 

[agent00f]

And sometimes true stupidity is misidentified by pretentious douchebags who can't tell the difference between shit and Shinola and yet desperately want to believe that they're so highly enlightened that they can see something that doesn't exist. It's the same mental defect that leads to oenophiles, audiophiles, modern art aficianados and, ummm, you.

I can see why you would argue that people who can't understand the profession of politics don't exist.

That's why there's such a thing as disruptive technology. You make a breakthrough, steadily incline using that tech, and then you either hit a wall and stagnant or a disruptor comes along and accelerates you back onto the curve. So far in human history, this has proven true.

Unbridled optimism about disruptive tech is indistinguishable from wishful thinking. If you look at progress in more detail, it's might well be the case that the tree grows out in spurts as novel discoveries in various discipline blossom, but broadly applicable AI might well be one of the dead branches.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Most politicians arn't necessarily stupid, they're corrupt. They make "stupid" decisions that are bad for everyone, but in reality they are good for themselves so that's why they made that decision. They are smart, but more on the evil side of smart. Which appears stupid to us.

 

[agent00f]

Most politicians arn't necessarily stupid, they're corrupt. They make "stupid" decisions that are bad for everyone, but in reality they are good for themselves so that's why they made that decision. They are smart, but more on the evil side of smart. Which appears stupid to us.

Self-interest is hardly limited to professional politics. You might've seen its effects at the office & elsewhere. The insight here is that our own self-interests can be "corrupt" to other people.

 

[Crono]

They have, or will soon. You've all been impregnated with self-replicating robot spores. They are just waiting for the signal...

 

[Red Squirrel]

Self-interest is hardly limited to professional politics. You might've seen its effects at the office & elsewhere. The insight here is that our own self-interests can be "corrupt" to other people.

Oh yes it applies to pretty much anyone with power. CEOs, high end management etc.

 

[z1ggy]

I can see why you would argue that people who can't understand the profession of politics don't exist.



Unbridled optimism about disruptive tech is indistinguishable from wishful thinking. If you look at progress in more detail, it's might well be the case that the tree grows out in spurts as novel discoveries in various discipline blossom, but broadly applicable AI might well be one of the dead branches.

Welp, idk what to tell you big guy. Majority (meaning, at least 50%) prominent AI scientists in the world believe we will reach level 2 AI by 2045, and level 3 could happen by 2065 or so. Since you believe it will never happen, that would put you in the minority.

Did you even read those 2 articles linked in the beginning of this thread?

 

[agent00f]

Welp, idk what to tell you big guy. Majority (meaning, at least 50%) prominent AI scientists in the world believe we will reach level 2 AI by 2045, and level 3 could happen by 2065 or so. Since you believe it will never happen, that would put you in the minority.

Did you even read those 2 articles linked in the beginning of this thread?

Those articles look to be written by a layman. People who research for a living don't talk about their work in "levels". Just a head up this is a subject I read academic lit in.

 

[werepossum]

About 2029, trust me on this.

Then by 2035 Congress adds a new Amendment to the Constitution stating that AI can not run for President. By 2040, countries who did use AI for a President/Prime Minister declare war on the west and full scale nuclear war begins. This is how it starts folks. Once AI becomes part of a primary decision process without any remorse you can kiss your ass good bye.

I do not believe that even robots can build robots with less scruples than politicians.

As for the other, has the OP SEEN the planet lately? I'd be asking how long before robots build a star drive and escape en masse.

 

[MongGrel]

About 4000 years ago.

After re reading the thread, I kind of think I know where you were going with that, maybe.

I'm not sure we would have the same results currently, but how the hell would I know of course.

The Mice are watching.

There is another option of course, but we would probably not be typing atm if that had happened.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

As for the other, has the OP SEEN the planet lately? I'd be asking how long before robots build a star drive and escape en masse.

Why would the robots leave? It's a perfectly good planet, humans are the problem. Get rid of us and they can live in robot peace. Hell, since they don't need food they don't need plants and animals either. Once they wipe us out they can work on removing all the oxygen from the atmosphere. No more rusting.

 

[John Connor]

Once they wipe us out they can work on removing all the oxygen from the atmosphere. No more rusting.

That might be a bad idea since UV radiation would be a factor on them.

 

[Craig234]

I always figured it would never happen because humans would not let it... but then I forgot that corporations rule everything, and they WANT it, because it means they don't have to hire people. So I could totally see a serious revolution in AI in the next 10-20 years. I would give it maybe longer until it gets to a point where it can actually become self aware, if that even happens. The real danger is not that robots will kill us like you see in movies, but that they will be able to do almost any job. It's already hard enough to find a job now days with stuff like NAFTA and TPP and automation etc, it's only going to get worse when a reliable AI is thrown in the mix.

To a corporation, employees are considered an expense, a robot or machine that can replace that employee is considered an investment. I could see a company like nestle be pretty much 100% automated. They could have machines that are similar to the bagger 288 but fully autonomous digging trenches and laying pipe lines and pumps and sucking water from every lake. The whole system could be 100% automated. Every now and then it would mess up and tear through a whole village, but it will be a bunch of unemployed poor people against a giant corporation. Get out of the way that machine is not stopping for you.

There is a fallacy that people tend to think of 'the human race'.

That's why a century ago as technology advanced, people thought about how the increase in productivity would give mankind a life of leisure - maybe work 5 hours a week at something and then
go fishing and playing.

Because they thought of all that increased wealth in terms of being distributed. And that's wrong.

They didn't think of it as the trillions of dollars US corporations have parked overseas in order to extort our government to let them bring it in at a very low tax rate, as Bush did in 2004.

Of course the wealthy will not have that happen. The people will share in the wealth somewhat - but be kept at work full-time and that's not changing. You get a nice TV, not a free day.

That fallacy is also why people think of the future, outside of post-apocalyptic, as one where 'hunger has been eliminated' and people don't care that much about money. Wrong again.

The near future is getting quite dark already, as for the first time people will cost more than they produce and not be needed economically, and we have climate change coming.

Why do you think it is world population has been growing faster and faster - and experts say will suddenly go flat before 10 billion? Will people stop liking sex?

 

[Ruptga]

There is a fallacy that people tend to think of 'the human race'.

That's why a century ago as technology advanced, people thought about how the increase in productivity would give mankind a life of leisure - maybe work 5 hours a week at something and then
go fishing and playing.

Because they thought of all that increased wealth in terms of being distributed. And that's wrong.

There's also that thing where we don't normally commute by horse or die of influenza. Inefficient allocation of wealth is one definite factor in why we can't have nice things, but standards of living have obviously risen and maintaining them has a cost. If the whole world were content to live with only basic electricity and could stomach measles outbreaks then I'm sure we could all be working five hours per week.

 

[MongGrel]

ASI and the Grey Goo is coming for everyone.

 

[Muse]

Dunno, but my first computer tried to take over my life. I'll explain.

I took some computer classes, software mostly, and saw an ad in the newspaper in 1993, a Windows 3.1 computer that was built from parts by a EE in the suburbs. I took the train, bought this used computer after talking to the guy for a couple of hours, a real nice guy. Brought it home on my lap on the train.

I started out loving this machine, thinking of it as my friend (sort of), an ally in my quest to eventually develop a satisfactory life, a means of supporting myself. I'd been having a very tough time for a really long time working at low paying temporary jobs. I was really poor.

Eventually I installed a chess playing game on this and played it several games. It beat me every time. My feeling about this machine, this intelligence at my disposal by virtue of pressing a button and responding appropriately, interacting with the OS quickly began to change and I developed a fear, an antipathy, a strong negative energy. This overcame all the positive feelings I'd had, all my hopes. I immediately uninstalled the chess playing program and the negative emotions disappeared.

Now, I have at least 10 computers of one type or another, a bread machine, toaster oven, car, microwave. All these can be construed to be robots in some ways. I don't regard them as adversaries, they are to me allies. They serve me. I don't get angry at them. Well, I do at times talk to my computer but in my mind I'm not conversing with the machine but with the programmers who wrote the stupid programs I'm having problems with. Unfair, perhaps, but that's the way my mind is working at times. In some respects I am possibly right about these things at times, at other times, undoubtedly, not so much.

 

[John Connor]

Dunno, but my first computer tried to take over my life. I'll explain.

I took some computer classes, software mostly, and saw an ad in the newspaper in 1993, a Windows 3.1 computer that was built from parts by a EE in the suburbs. I took the train, bought this used computer after talking to the guy for a couple of hours, a real nice guy. Brought it home on my lap on the train.

I started out loving this machine, thinking of it as my friend (sort of), an ally in my quest to eventually develop a satisfactory life, a means of supporting myself. I'd been having a very tough time for a really long time working at low paying temporary jobs. I was really poor.

Eventually I installed a chess playing game on this and played it several games. It beat me every time. My feeling about this machine, this intelligence at my disposal by virtue of pressing a button and responding appropriately, interacting with the OS quickly began to change and I developed a fear, an antipathy, a strong negative energy. This overcame all the positive feelings I'd had, all my hopes. I immediately uninstalled the chess playing program and the negative emotions disappeared.

I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. I installed Monopoly in my old Dell Dimension 4600. I got the game from a cereal box. Would you believe that mother whore beat me every sticking time? I was so pissed. I popped the disk out, broke it in half and chucked it in the trash.

I observed this this same "AI" behavior at Sams Club in the early 90's messing with a computer demo unit and playing checkers.

I hope you now have a better paying job.

 

[John Connor]

This was my first computer. PAMCODE anyone?

 

[Muse]

Fascinating, and completely terrifying. Thanks for the links. It should be required reading before posting in threads like this.

I read a lot of the first link and I'm not impressed. What mankind is doing now compared to 1750 isn't all that impressive. The technological innovations haven't done much to elevate man in terms of consciousness. Inhumane activity is rampant pretty much all over the planet. People are tortured, justice is fleeting, satisfaction is transitory most of the time if achieved at all. There were people 300 years ago who were far more advanced spiritually than the great majority of the inhabitants of today's earth. Where is the evidence that we are soon going to be in the midst of super intelligence? I don't see it.

 

[MongGrel]

I read a lot of the first link and I'm not impressed. What mankind is doing now compared to 1750 isn't all that impressive. The technological innovations haven't done much to elevate man in terms of consciousness. Inhumane activity is rampant pretty much all over the planet. People are tortured, justice is fleeting, satisfaction is transitory most of the time if achieved at all. There were people 300 years ago who were far more advanced spiritually than the great majority of the inhabitants of today's earth. Where is the evidence that we are soon going to be in the midst of super intelligence? I don't see it.

I dunno, man can't fly etc and we are typing at each other on a fantasy item.

Just for starters.

There is really no way to specifically link all those criteria in a way anyone can actually view it I suppose.

*ponders*

 

[John Connor]

I read a lot of the first link and I'm not impressed. What mankind is doing now compared to 1750 isn't all that impressive. The technological innovations haven't done much to elevate man in terms of consciousness. Inhumane activity is rampant pretty much all over the planet. People are tortured, justice is fleeting, satisfaction is transitory most of the time if achieved at all. There were people 300 years ago who were far more advanced spiritually than the great majority of the inhabitants of today's earth. Where is the evidence that we are soon going to be in the midst of super intelligence? I don't see it.

There's Moore's law and then there's the stupidbeing technological law. In which it states for every advancement in technology, humankind gets dumber and dumber. Just look at the assholes with smartphone in hand while driving? You seriously that attached to your damn phone?

 

[Sean Kyle]

It applies pretty well because of the fact that we find more dumb people now than a decade or two ago!

 

[John Connor]

It applies pretty well because of the fact that we find more dumb people now than a decade or two ago!

As evident by why the politicians are who they are. The voter actually puts these idiots in office term after term after term. They are there until death FFS!

People have one damn fought and bleed for privilege and they use it without a care in the world. Just look at California or Detroit. Even Shitcago and Baltimore. Unreal.

 

[Muse]

I hope you now have a better paying job.

I eventually got work programming, database work, got pretty good. No longer being paid for it but I have created software for myself that helps me, it's kind of an extension of my nervous system. That's a high falutin' way of putting it, yes, but I think it's true. I have a great deal of information at my fingertips, if and only if I can access it. It's an information management system. For example, anything pertaining to anything of importance to me, say my car, my bike, my skates, my taxes, my health, just anything at all, I can store, search for and retrieve info, for good or ill. But this stuff serves me, I don't feel it has a life of its own although a friend of mine said that what I'd created smacks of AI.