• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Senators "Gloat" Of Pork Spending

Pabster

Lifer
Story here.

Looks like the Pork keeps dripping. And there's a hell of a lot of grease.

I wonder if Landrieu will survive. Going to be a lot of interesting races coming up.
 
Ah, the smell of Republican Desperation - you can smell it in the air everywhere you go.

Anything at all to play 'Pin the Tail on the Donkey' - stuck in the past being childhood playground bullies.


Gotta love those right wing activists credit - they make lunatics look normal.

Question - Why do they love Iraq and Baghdad more than they care for their own country of the USA and the city of New Orleans.

Can you imagine what could be done in an American City which has been devastated by storm and flood -
with only HALF of what has been wasted on the failed projects in Iraq?

New Orleans deserves more than any foreign country in the world - why do these fools so willingly throw away our own country and citizens.

Money spent on 'Domestic Issues' for the betterment of an American City isn't 'Pork'

But the budget for Halliburton and Blackwater sure is.
 
Reconstruction money for Louisiana is "wasting taxpayer money?" OK, then "wasting of taxpayer money" is of no concern to me.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
I guess wasting taxpayer money is of no concern to you Captn. It's just a childhood game of bullies. :roll:

That depends on what one considers waste. For some spending 500 times this on Iraq is worse, but doing so on projects that can be shown to materially benefit a devastated area isn't.

 
'Wasting taxpayer money' is Bush's fucking war of stupidity.

Trying to do things for the benefit our own country and it's people is not.


but then, you wouldn't understand that would you?


Are you aware that over 60% of the area that flooded was the 'affluent' white residential area and many of these used to be some of the best neighborhoods?
The ones where the Insurance Companies are delaying payment in every way that they can?

Finally - today, some 2 years and 3 months after the storm, the first grocery store is reopening.
Roberts

And finally an extension of the crippled Streetcar Line

All TWELVE of Bucktown's former Fishing Fleet are returning to their home harbor



Screw New Orleans, Baghdad is where it at.
 
So because Bush got us into Iraq, that gives Democrats cart blanche to pass any pork they want?

How about this scenario: get us out of Iraq like they promised, then stop passing any pork.

You Democrat lackeys are pathetic, you can't even acknowledge you've been had. Fooled with a bait and switch. Instead of reigning in Bush and spending, we get more of both, and you still blame the Republicans for it. That's called denial.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Nice spin there, senseamp.

Only $3 billion of the $12 billion is earmarked for "reconstruction".

And $7 Billion is for water resources. Louisiana needs more than reconstruction, they need to update their water resources, levees, etc. That is not a waste to me. You are the one spinning.
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Why don't you break down on how it's spent then?

I'd love to see a detailed analysis of how all that $12 billion will be spent.

My guess is that a high percentage will be squandered.
 
Shrugs. Looks at plumiting dollar value and says....they'll print more. Both sides suck. Canada will be able to buy us soon! 😀
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Why don't you break down on how it's spent then?

I'd love to see a detailed analysis of how all that $12 billion will be spent.

My guess is that a high percentage will be squandered.

Was your guess also that Iraq had WMDs? 😀
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Why don't you break down on how it's spent then?

I'd love to see a detailed analysis of how all that $12 billion will be spent.

My guess is that a high percentage will be squandered.

A lot of spending gets wasted. Now if your argument is that the money spent needs to go to the projects earmarked, I agree. I don't hold with bribing or graft. That's a different argument than allocating the money to begin with.

LA was devastated and being obliged to follow the federal laws it should be recognized that when there is need, it can expect it. Otherwise, lets go to 50 countries and disband the US.

In no case should this be spent to fund something else, because the other side of the expectation is that if the other 49 states chip in it should be for what's being billed for.

Accountability? Yes. Money spent wisely to accomplish the goals? Yes. That's holding the pols feet to the fire, and I'm all for it.

If saying that backing public projects in an area of demonstrated need is pork by nature, then I disagree. If that's the case, allow all states to secede a useless union.
 
Not often that I get to quote scripture-

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

Wingnut war supporters citing wasteful spending by others is an absurdity, just one among many that they seem to cherish...
 
Hillary is already labled the queen of pork. So much for campaign promises of reduced spending.

Oct. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Democrats came into power this year promising meaningful earmark reform to a U.S. electorate that was rightly disgusted with Congress's free-spending habits. Today, earmarks continue to be out of control, and the predictable result is that the Democratic Congress is now even less popular in national polls than the Republican one before it.

There is an underappreciated angle to the story of how lawmakers steer federal funds toward their pet projects that may yet swing the next presidential election. Democrats have been so busy preparing the coronation of Hillary Clinton that they have failed to train a critical eye on her record.

When it comes to earmarks, an issue that voters responded to more than any other in the last election except for Iraq, her record is about as bad as it gets. If Dennis Hastert was the king of earmarks, Hillary Clinton was his queen. Republicans had their ``bridge to nowhere.'' Hillary has her knitting mill.

The statistics speak for themselves. Ever since she arrived in Washington, Hillary has worked tirelessly to bring the pork home to her adopted state, New York. It used to be that such efforts were cloaked in secrecy. No longer.

To their credit, the Democrats made earmarks a central issue in the 2006 campaign and helped pass a series of reforms. Today, all earmarks are publicized in an online record which, most importantly, identifies the name of the member who submitted each request. Numerous online watchdog databases have since popped up, notably ``Taxpayers for Common Sense,'' which provides a directory of every earmark request for 2008 appropriations bills.

Oddly, this transparency has had a big effect on the Republican presidential candidates, but not on the Democrats.

Nothing to Hide

Among the presidential candidates, many Republicans currently holding office have responded to media requests to make public all their earmarks, including Representatives Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo. (Senator John McCain notably claims to not submit any such requests). They presumably have done so because they have nothing to hide.

On the Democratic side, however, the major candidates have been much less forthright.

Only Barack Obama has voluntarily made his earmark information publicly available. The others are covering their tracks. Senator Joe Biden's spokeswoman explained, ``We don't release them until the committee has had the opportunity to review the requests.'' A spokeswoman for the Dennis Kucinich campaign argued, ``We never have made our earmarks public.''

The Clinton campaign refused to respond at all to requests that she identify her earmarks.

Top Earmarker

A little digging shows why they are so evasive. In fiscal year 2006, Chris Dodd and fellow Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman were jointly responsible for more than $100 million worth of earmarks for their home state, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

Yet Clinton, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, placed $2.2 billion worth of earmarks in spending bills from 2002-2006. One would have to concede that she is good at it. In the fiscal 2008 defense-spending bill alone, Clinton successfully attached 26 earmarks worth $148 million, which was the most of any Democrat except Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, who is now chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

The earmark game is a treacherous one because it is so easy to find specific instances, like the bridge to nowhere in Alaska, that are repulsive to voters. With such a successful track record, this will be a genuine liability for Clinton.

Bury the Record

That probably explains why she's trying to bury her record. But even digging through the limited list of earmarks I could acquire suggested that Clinton has deftly spread federal taxpayers' money around to parochial projects of questionable public value, sending, for example, $250,000 to the Seneca Knitting Mill, and $200,000 to the Buffalo Urban Arts Center.

Such spending projects might be great local politics, but they produce national outrage as our federal dollars are bled away from health care and national security. Each one may seem small, but collectively they are not.

Clinton might want to join Robert Rubin on the high horse of fiscal discipline and rail against Republican deficits. But if she is the queen of pork, she loses her moral authority.

Make no mistake, voters are disgusted with our government. Clinton's biggest political liability has always been that she, the ultimate insider, may not be able to run as a credible agent of change. The earmark numbers are important, because an able opponent can accurately portray her pork barrel record as shameful. How can someone who is one of the biggest contributors to the problem be part of the cure?

If Democrats aren't careful, voters will ask themselves that question in the general election. It seems unlikely that the Republican nominee will have a pork-stained past. If so, Democrats may regret giving Clinton a free pass on the earmark issue during the primaries.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This is just a snapshot of things to come. I agree GWB, outside of the war, has spent money like a drunken sailor, but Democrats have always outspent GOP. She will do nothing to stop the very thing she rails against. What a suprise...a lying Democrat.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
"The Clinton campaign refused to respond at all to requests that she identify her earmarks."

What a shock!

Color me surprised. I'm waiting for the day the Hillary express crashes and burns. There will be much rejoicing.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
I guess wasting taxpayer money is of no concern to you Captn. It's just a childhood game of bullies. :roll:

Iraq is wasting 1 trillion of taxpayer money.. nothing else could come close to that, so it shouldn't bother most people.
 
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Iraq is wasting 1 trillion of taxpayer money.. nothing else could come close to that, so it shouldn't bother most people.

Staying on-topic is tough for you liberals, isn't it?
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Iraq is wasting 1 trillion of taxpayer money.. nothing else could come close to that, so it shouldn't bother most people.

Staying on-topic is tough for you liberals, isn't it?

Their Democrat heroes have FAILED them at every turn since the election, so the only place they have to turn is "but Bush". :thumbsdown::|:thumbsdown:
 
From the ever-dense Pabster-

Staying on-topic is tough for you liberals, isn't it?

Yeh, when the topic is kinda like fussing over the loose change on the floor in the lobby, even as the vault is being emptied out the back door...

Look! There's a quarter! And a dime, over there!

How lame.

The sad truth is that the scaremongering and chest-thumping in the wake of 9/11 have led us down a road of ruinous spending on the military and so-called "security", and of endless and pointless occupation of other nations. Total pork in those endeavors dwarf all the rest in aggregate.
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The sad truth is that the scaremongering and chest-thumping in the wake of 9/11 have led us down a road of ruinous spending on the military and so-called "security", and of endless and pointless occupation of other nations. Total pork in those endeavors dwarf all the rest in aggregate.

Yeah, 1/9th of our deficit is freaking horrible man. At least when you?re objectively motivated against it. The other 8/9ths? More taxes, more spending, more government, more patriot acts gogogogo!
 
Unfortunately for Republicans, "pork" isn't even on the radar for voters. A majority of it is woven into larger bills, named with obscure titles, and hard to target.

On the flipside, "pork" buys you a lot of voters.

The "war in Iraq" is an easy target, on the other hand. It's a hot-button issue near the top of voters concerns, and the gross spending is easy to document.
 
Back
Top