Senators call for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Abuse investigation

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r
So this guy plans attacks that kill thousands of Americans and we can't bend his fingers to get information from him.

This CIA should say "yeah, we did, so what we got the information."

This guy was scum, now our senators are defending him.

A transcript of Mohammed's hearing, released Wednesday by the
Pentagon, refers to a claim he made that he was tortured by the CIA, though he said he was not under duress at Guantanamo when he confessed to his role in the attacks. The CIA has said its interrogation practices are legal, and it does not use torture.

"Allegations of prisoner mistreatment must be taken seriously and properly investigated," the senators' statement said.

I'd like to know which fingers we broke. Because as far as I know all we did was dunk him in water. Cutting off limbs, or ripping off flesh has not been done by us.

Then we have liberals with the audacity to lie and claim as if we?ve done horrific things.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Maybe they should torture him a bit more, I bet they can make him say that Al Qaida were the ones who crucified Jesus, that he personally is one of the fallen angels, and that is Bush' buttbuddy. It has been proven in the past that torture is the best way to get someone to say whatever you tell him to say, just by promising an end to the torture.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Anyone who supports torture, for any reason, is OK with the U.S. letting terrorist groups know that their tactics are perfectly acceptable and that the U.S. is willing to stoop to their immoral levels to beat them. Unfortunately these people don't realize they are hurting the U.S. cause to root out terror and shredding parts of the Constitution in the process.

agree++

 

[daniel49]

half you morons would have set Hitler free given the chance.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Anyone who supports torture, for any reason, is OK with the U.S. letting terrorist groups know that their tactics are perfectly acceptable and that the U.S. is willing to stoop to their immoral levels to beat them. Unfortunately these people don't realize they are hurting the U.S. cause to root out terror and shredding parts of the Constitution in the process.

agree++

So what should we do? Put him in a fluffy pink cell and let him eat cupcakes the rest of his life in hopes he gives up his comrades who are waging war?

Water boarding is one of the most insignificant forms of ?torture?, I?ll care after they rip flesh off and inflict intense pain from physical injury. Until then we?ve been using kid gloves on these guys and baseless accusations demonizing this country is a vile show of sympathy for genocidal maniacs.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: daniel49
half you morons would have set Hitler free given the chance.

You've heard of Chamberlain I presume? They allowed the genocide of millions back then, and they shall do it again. All in the name of ?peace? and morale superiority.

 

[ProfJohn]

Will one of you 'no toture for anything' types (including water boarding) please explain how we get mass murderes like this to talk then?
This guy has/had a wealth of information about AQ and how it works and propaply the names of dozens of members who might have been out planning attacks etc etc.

How do we get a guy like this to talk?

 

[International Machine Consortium]

While I have no sympathy for this piece of crap, since he brought up the abuse charge, they have to investigate it. It's a bi-partisan thing.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: daniel49
half you morons would have set Hitler free given the chance.

We have a new contender for the title of STUPIDEST POST EVER!

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
While I have no sympathy for this piece of crap, since he brought up the abuse charge, they have to investigate it. It's a bi-partisan thing.

I'll agree with you, but let's keep it from getting out of hand.
No public congressional hearings etc.
Do it nice and quiet and keep the results quiet.

I think that any politician that tries to make 'hay' with this will feel an unbelieveable backlash from the public.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: daniel49
half you morons would have set Hitler free given the chance.

We have a new contender for the title of STUPIDEST POST EVER!

The day is still early yet...

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: daniel49
half you morons would have set Hitler free given the chance.

Ummm...no.

Will one of you 'no toture for anything' types (including water boarding) please explain how we get mass murderes like this to talk then?

Look, I am no fanboy of either party, and while I strongly think that torture is illegal and should NOT be used, that does NOT mean that I am some sort of terrorist lover or sympathizer. Quit seeing things in black and white. These sorts of problems do not have a binary answer (only yes/no).

That being said, physical torture doesn't work, it is pretty much guaranteed to give you the answers that you (the interrogator) want to hear, just to stop the pain. That doesn't produce accurate information. Think back to the 1930's through 50's, with the USSR. Look at all the people that "confessed" for all sorts of crimes they didn't commit. They were tortured, and they "confessed" to whatever crime the interrogators wanted, just to get them to stop. Millions of people were sent of to the Gulag and other prisons for these fake confessions.

Do you really want that to happen here and now?

We (the USA) have managed to fight many wars in the past 200 years, and have never felt the need to torture. Why now? Just because the "bad guys" are doing it to us? The Germans basically tortured millions of people during WWII, and Japan as well, and we didn't decide that we would do the same to their POW's.

Two wrongs don't make a right. So what are your real reasons for torturing people? Payback for what they did? To feel superior?

I believe KSM is guilty. As such, we must have plenty of evidence on him. When captured, try him, convict him, and sentence him to death after a REAL (not kangaroo) trial. I don't see the need to torture him. If you think he has intel that you want, like I said, there are other ways to get it other then torture.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: daniel49
half you morons would have set Hitler free given the chance.

We have a new contender for the title of STUPIDEST POST EVER!

and you win

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: daniel49
half you morons would have set Hitler free given the chance.

We have a new contender for the title of STUPIDEST POST EVER!

and you win

Try again. That was childishly pathetic and petulant, but it wasn't anywhere near as stupid as your previous attempt. :thumbsdown:

Go ahead, and try for two out of three. :laugh:

 

[BoomerD]

While I believe that if the guy IS indeed guilty of the things he's confessed to are true, then we don't currently use a form of execution in this country that can impart a high enough level of pain before he dies...HOWEVER, so far, he's confessed to just about everything except the Lindburg kidnapping and being the shooter on the grassy knoll...
Makes me VERY suspicious of his confessions...were they coerced by torture, where he was willing to say ANYTHING they wanted, just to get them to stop?
Is he just flat out lying to :
a) make him seem like he was someone important? (look at all the people who confess to crimes they had nothing to do with every year)
b) take the blame for these heinous acts, when in reality, someone ELSE actually did them? (lots of instances where a person takes the fall for someone else, whether it be because they're just not a "snitch", or for some "more noble" reason...

BushCo's lying over the past several years about torture (and almost everything else) makes me very skeptical about the accuracy of this...

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: International Machine Consortium
While I have no sympathy for this piece of crap, since he brought up the abuse charge, they have to investigate it. It's a bi-partisan thing.

I have no problem investigating our treatment of our prisoners and ensuring that we're obeying our laws. Then punishing anyone responsible for breaking our laws, if it was found that such action was taken.

As I understand it, water boarding is legal so our knowledge of that appears irrelevant to claims of torture.

 

[Red Dawn]

If they really wanted to torture that asshole they'd of given him a full body wax.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If they really wanted to torture that asshole they'd of given him a full body wax.

Hooks, blades, and meat tenderizers.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If they really wanted to torture that asshole they'd of given him a full body wax.

Hooks, blades, and meat tenderizers.

Then you could BBQ him afterwards and have him with some Flava beans?

 

[Moonbeam]

Every American should be water-boarded just so they know it's legal. And you can guess how long it would stay that way.

Jesus said he's know us by how we treat the least among us. A lot of Christians are in for a big surprise.

 

[palehorse]

Most of you morons need to go read THIS.

After you've done so, please point me to the section that describes water-boarding.

Good luck.

 

[International Machine Consortium]

Yeah, everybody is a moron to you. :roll:

How many of you have been through SERE training?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
Most of you morons need to go read THIS.

After you've done so, please point me to the section that describes water-boarding.

Good luck.

Are you a moron? Are you reading challenged? If not, it's obvious you didn't read my previous post quoting TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 113C, § 2340 of the U.S. Code so I'll repost it here with some more info:

As used in this chapter?

• (1) ?torture? means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
  
  (2) ?severe mental pain or suffering? means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from?
  • 
    (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
    
    (B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
    
    (C) the threat of imminent death; or
    
    (D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and
  (3) ?United States? means the several States of the United States, the District of Columbia, and the commonwealths, territories, and possessions of the United States.

"Waterboarding" is a thirteen letter word more fully descibed, here. If you really can read, I suggest you look over this description and tell us why you disagree with Sen. John McCain's statement that such treatment conforms to the meaning of torture under the statute:

Waterboarding is a technique which is used to obtain information, coerce confessions, and for punishment and intimidation. It is considered torture by many people. Waterboarding consists of immobilizing an individual and pouring water over his face to simulate drowning, which produces a severe gag reflex, making the subject believe his death is imminent while ideally not causing permanent physical damage.

The practice garnered renewed attention and notoriety in September 2006 when reports charged that the Bush administration had authorized its use in the interrogations of U.S. War on Terrorism detainees. Though the Bush administration has never formally acknowledged its use, Vice President Dick Cheney told an interviewer that he did not believe "a dunk in water" to be a form of torture but rather a "very important tool" for use in interrogations, including that of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

According to Republican United States Senator John McCain, who was tortured as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, waterboarding is "very exquisite torture" and a mock execution, which can damage the subject's psyche "in ways that may never heal."

Then, go and read the Third Geneva Convention and tell us how waterboarding doesn't fall under its provisions. The United States is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and violating them is a crime under U.S. and international law.

The Bushwhackos have tried to distinguish between their captives as what they euphamistically call "unlawful combatants" and other enemies captured in a conflict. The distinction is patantly false. The underlying principle of both the U.S. Code and the Geneva Conventions against torture is to define what constitutes acceptable treatment of human beings engaged in conflict with other human beings.

Anyone who buys into the bullsh8 that relabeling another human being excuses inhumane treatment only proves THEY are the ones who have lost their humanity.

Is that who you are? :shocked:

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: daniel49
half you morons would have set Hitler free given the chance.

We have a new contender for the title of STUPIDEST POST EVER!

and you win

Try again. That was childishly pathetic and petulant, but it wasn't anywhere near as stupid as your previous attempt. :thumbsdown:

Go ahead, and try for two out of three. :laugh:

Sorry lad, you have a mandate, its an unmitigated landslide in your favor.
If my tirade has caused you to be petulant think how you will feel when your type release that scumbag to murder some more.
ho hum just another mild annoyance.
Quickly now go find Jack the Ripper he needs you.
Make sure you kiss his boo boos.

 

[palehorse]

@Harvey and his sidekick IMC:

I see that you failed to find "waterboarding,:" or anything even remotely similar, in the 2-22.3.

Enjoy your Moore-flavored koolaid.

GG.