Senate Gang of 8 Reaches Immigration Deal

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A powerful group of senators from both parties has reached a deal on the outlines of a comprehensive immigration overhaul, a development that will drive an emotional debate on a hot-button issue unseen in Washington for more than half a decade.

The group is expected to unveil the basics of its proposal at a Monday news conference on Capitol Hill, essentially laying down a marker on the issue one day before President Barack Obama heads to Las Vegas to unveil more details about his own immigration proposal.

According to a five-page document provided to POLITICO, the sweeping proposal — agreed to in principle by eight senators — would seek to overhaul the legal immigration system as well as create a pathway to citizenship for the nation’s roughly 11 million illegal immigrants.
But establishing that pathway would depend on whether the U.S. first implements stricter border enforcement measures and new rules ensuring immigrants have left the country in compliance with their visas. Young people brought to the country as children illegally and seasonal agriculture industry workers would be given a faster path to citizenship.

The broad agreement by the influential Gang of Eight senators amounts to the most serious bipartisan effort to act on the highly charged issue since George W. Bush’s comprehensive measure was defeated in the Senate in 2007.

It remains to be seen if Obama will embrace the Senate effort, or how closely his own proposal hews to the Senate one. But the Senate proposal is expected to take precedence on Capitol Hill, given that bipartisan backing will be crucial to getting anything through the Democratic-controlled Senate — let alone the Republican-controlled House.

The bipartisan coalition includes influential Democrats such as Majority Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois and Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, No. 3 in the leadership. It also has the backing of Sen. Bob Menendez, the Cuban-American Democrat from New Jersey poised to be chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. And it has the support of Colorado Sen. Michael Bennet, the new chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

Republican heavy-hitters also have signed onto the deal’s framework, including two veterans of the bruising 2007 effort: Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. But it also won the support of Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a rising GOP star and possible future presidential candidate. And the freshman Arizona Republican, Jeff Flake, who endorsed similar comprehensive plans during his House tenure, has also backed the proposal.

House Republicans are likely to be a tougher sell, but Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) recently endorsed Rubio’s approach and could be an important partner in selling the legislation to conservatives.

Many of the details have yet to be worked out since the plan has not yet been turned into legislation. There are bound to be fights within the group and off Capitol Hill as the legislative process begins in earnest, and it’s unclear whether the bipartisan group can stick together.

Thankfully, it looks like comprehensive immigration reform is finally going to happen. This will bring a lot of people into the American fold to start legit legal businesses, eventual citizenship and all the wonderful benefits of being a documented American, which I think is wonderful. And post-2012 election results, Repubs are not surprisingly going to change their stance on this policy by going the "amnesty" route.

It's a brave new world, hopefully a lot of traditional Americans will simply accept it.
 

Jaskalas

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Population issues aside, my only demand is that they become assimilated. More of a pipe dream really. The American Southwest is forever changed - whether the Government acts or not.

These people ARE Americans whether we like it or not. Why? Because they are here, and they are not leaving. Period.
 

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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/senate-group-reaches-immigration-deal-86793.html?hp=t1_3



Thankfully, it looks like comprehensive immigration reform is finally going to happen. This will bring a lot of people into the American fold to start legit legal businesses, eventual citizenship and all the wonderful benefits of being a documented American, which I think is wonderful. And post-2012 election results, Repubs are not surprisingly going to change their stance on this policy by going the "amnesty" route.

It's a brave new world, hopefully a lot of traditional Americans will simply accept it.

Here's the thing. There has always been a path to citizenship in this country. Many do it EVERYDAY and have been. Many sneak in regardless of the law and then demand to be made legal later? I can understand those brought in as kids not knowing and even reaching adulthood wanting to be just counted as legal to a degree. I'm fine with that. Their parents though need the boot and to follow the proper procedures to obtain citizenship.
 

sunzt

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I don't see why amnesty should be on the table, at least not without stiff penalties.

Look at the alternative. You're either gonna round 'dem all up or you're gonna have a huge sub-class of residents who are in perpetual limbo status. This will result in them hiding, doing things underground, avoid integrating/assimilating, increasing poverty/crime, and of course not paying taxes.
 

Fenixgoon

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ahhh yes, let's reward people for breaking our laws. that will certainly discourage people from doing it again in the future.

give citizenship to unskilled workers. send MS and PhD's back to home countries.

that policy sure makes sense.....
 

glenn1

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It's a brave new world, hopefully a lot of traditional Americans will simply accept it.

You act like the "traditional Americans" have any choice. Might as well just repeal the existing naturalization laws since anyone who goes through normal immigration channels is being a chump. Better to simply sneak in and benefit from a "comprehensive immigration reform" law later on rather than go through the time and expense of doing it the "legal" way.
 

thraashman

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Population issues aside, my only demand is that they become assimilated. More of a pipe dream really. The American Southwest is forever changed - whether the Government acts or not.

These people ARE Americans whether we like it or not. Why? Because they are here, and they are not leaving. Period.

Assimilated is not really the best word. I think there's nothing wrong with people who come here keeping their own culture and exposing new people to the parts of it that are good. But I do think learning to speak English at least well enough for basic communication should be a must. As well as things like learning the basics of the laws that come into play in everyday life so that they can be adhered to.
 

Ausm

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I don't have a problem with children brought into this Country illegally given a path to legal Citizenship.
 

monovillage

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You act like the "traditional Americans" have any choice. Might as well just repeal the existing naturalization laws since anyone who goes through normal immigration channels is being a chump. Better to simply sneak in and benefit from a "comprehensive immigration reform" law later on rather than go through the time and expense of doing it the "legal" way.

A valid point, but we have so many illegal aliens and their families that have been living and working in the US for 20-30 years. They own houses, property and businesses and are important contributing members to this country, even if they aren't citizens. We have to make laws that accept this reality and give them a reasonable pathway to citizenship.
 

glenn1

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A valid point, but we have so many illegal aliens and their families that have been living and working in the US for 20-30 years. They own houses, property and businesses and are important contributing members to this country, even if they aren't citizens. We have to make laws that accept this reality and give them a reasonable pathway to citizenship.

That's fine; make their pathway to citizenship conditional on them signing an affadavit that acknowledges they broke immigration law, and subject to them paying the fines and carrying the felony on their records.
 

ivwshane

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I didn't see this happening this fast or behind closed doors. I guess it's actually better that it happened behind closed doors.
 

irishScott

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My only issue is this is happening before we secured the border. I realize the practical impossibility of deporting every illegal immigrant already here, but the illegal immigration in the south west should be slowed to a verified trickle before they start talking about paths to citizenship. Otherwise it's just going to surge if this passes.
 

marincounty

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If we can arrest 1 million marijuana smokers every year, we have the ability to arrest and remove 1 million illegals every year. Think of all of the jobs we can create arresting , prosecuting and removing illegals.
If illegals are given amnesty for breaking laws, what amnesties are going to be given to American citizens? How about no speeding tickets for five years, or no need for car registration and insurance for five years? Maybe no taxes?
We are supposed to be a nation of laws, how about freaking enforcing them for a change?
I have nothing against Mexicans, I want anyone illegal deported, be they Irish, Russian, Chinese, Canadian, etc..
 

BoberFett

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I see no reason to give anybody amnesty. Make the necessary reform and let those here illegally go through the new system. They can stay during the hopefully much simplified process, then if they fail ship them home. Blanket amnesty is foolish.
 

crashtestdummy

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My only issue is this is happening before we secured the border. I realize the practical impossibility of deporting every illegal immigrant already here, but the illegal immigration in the south west should be slowed to a verified trickle before they start talking about paths to citizenship. Otherwise it's just going to surge if this passes.

It already has. We have fewer illegal immigrants in this country now than there were in 2007.


On an unrelated note, I'm also happy to see the provision in there to give green cards to people who get advanced degrees in the STEM fields. In most cases, we're paying for their degree anyway, so why not invite them to stick around and produce for us?
 

monovillage

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That's fine; make their pathway to citizenship conditional on them signing an affadavit that acknowledges they broke immigration law, and subject to them paying the fines and carrying the felony on their records.

I think the felony part is a bit excessive, but I have no problem with them having to admit to breaking the law and paying a fine.

Part of the problem is that our politicians have been kicking this problem down the road for 30 years and not dealing with it. If we could find the politicians guilty of a felony and fine them for not doing their fucking jobs I'd be happier.
 

Zebo

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They let em in unfettered to break backs of american labor they couldnt outsource. Now they use our empathy to give them an even stonger foothold. Usa will be just like from whence they came. A small cabelbof elites control everything, five percent protect them called middle class ans ninty five percent in poverty and despair.
 

nehalem256

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That's fine; make their pathway to citizenship conditional on them signing an affadavit that acknowledges they broke immigration law, and subject to them paying the fines and carrying the felony on their records.

Or we could grant them legal residency and prevent anyone who broke immigration laws from getting citizenship.
 

Xellos2099

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How about just round them up by the truck load and boatload and depot them and shoot whoever dare to jump off the truck? Sound perfectly legal and fine to me. WE are rewarding illegal behavior. It is sickening to see that illegal are not long illegal while unlocking a smartphone is now illegal.
 

Pneumothorax

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What's the point of a new immigration law anyway, when any future chump president can quickly choose not to enforce it? Also, what's different now than 1986? There is no border security unless the feds make it a federal crime to hire an undocumented worker and ENFORCE it. Also, let's get rid of the 14th amendment too while we're at it.
 
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Population issues aside, my only demand is that they become assimilated. More of a pipe dream really. The American Southwest is forever changed - whether the Government acts or not.

These people ARE Americans whether we like it or not. Why? Because they are here, and they are not leaving. Period.

Southwest?? Swing by nyc metro one day. Half the time it's no hablo Inglis.