Sen Chris Dodd (D-Conn) makes racist comments - needs to step down.

[outriding]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

In your first post you said there is NO DIFFERENCE between Lott and Dodd.

I never said any such thing. I am pointing out that DODD was critical of Lott for insensitive and racist comments, and that now DODD has gone and done the same thing.

Lott has not been critical of DODD to my knowledge. Lott has stepped down from his leadership position, and asked for forgiveness, and apologized about his remarks.

There was plenty of "Stink" about Lott's comments in this forum. I just stated I felt his comments were insensitive, and could be racist.

I haven't heard one lily white liberal voice here say anything remotely critical of Dodd's statement...
why don't you go repeat Dodd's comment to you black buddies and see how they feel about it??

I'll guarantee you within a week, Dodd is apologizing for at least being "insensitive"

but the question is did you post the same thing about lott ?

ok you did not say "no difference" but you did say "exactly the same kind of statement"

which i dont see a big diference between the 2 statements. so just stop playing your little word games

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

I completely fail to see any racism.

That's because your either a racist or an apologist for Sen. Dodd

You have GOT to be kidding me.

Get a fscking clue, asshole. Calling me a racist is fighting words, and I apologize for nobody. I think your banning is overdue, troll.

I think Rush, I mean heartsurgeon, is easier to deal with if you just relax and converse with him like the 12 year-old he is...

:beer::beer:

If I was a 12 year old, I think I'd be offended by that ..

 

[SuperTool]

Enought with the washington times cr@p

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Enought with the washington times cr@p

Did you accidentally sit on a WashTimes newspaper today? Did it get lodged?
What's up with the WashTimes thing?

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Media silent?

CkG

 

[SuperTool]

OK, fine. I agree.
Dodd should step down from his position as Senate Majority Leader, just like Lott did.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Media silent?

CkG

Lott honored Thurmond at that time by asserting that if he had been elected president in 1948 running as a member of the segregationist Dixiecrat Party, then "we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years."

That's pretty much blatantly supporting segregation and racism.

Dodd was merely honoring Sen. Byrd on the casting of his 17,000th vote along with many other members of the Senate. Dodd mentioned NOTHING of Byrd's personal views.

 

[Red Dawn]

What's good fopr the goose is good for the gander. Do they pick straws to determine who is going to put their political careers on the line to honor fscktards like Thurmond and Byrd?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Media silent?

CkG

Lott honored Thurmond at that time by asserting that if he had been elected president in 1948 running as a member of the segregationist Dixiecrat Party, then "we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years."

That's pretty much blatantly supporting segregation and racism.

Dodd was merely honoring Sen. Byrd on the casting of his 17,000th vote along with many other members of the Senate. Dodd mentioned NOTHING of Byrd's personal views.

"I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia that he would have been a great senator at any moment,"
Oh any moment? You mean when he was in the KKK?

"He would have been right at the founding of this country. He would have been in the leadership crafting this Constitution. He would have been right during the great conflict of Civil War in this nation."
Oh really? A member of the KKK would have been right during the Civil War?

conjur - if you think Lott's statements are racist in nature I fail to see how you can ignore Dodd's. They are infact quite similar in nature.

Now again - I don't think either had racial intent like I stated earlier but it's quite interesting how the democrats are reacting(or not) to this.

CkG

 

[heartsurgeon]

Do they pick straws to determine who is going to put their political careers on the line to honor fscktards like Thurmond and Byrd?

Best commentary yet!!

 

[josphII]

In December 2002, Dodd told United Press International regarding the comments made by Lott about Thurmond, "If a Democratic leader had made [Lott's] statements, we would have to call for his stepping aside, without any question whatsoever."

He continued, "If Tom Daschle or another Democratic leader were to have made similar statements, the reaction would have been very swift. I don't think several hours would have gone by without there being an almost unanimous call for the leader to step aside."

evidently not!

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
What's good for the goose is good for the gander:

Sen. Dodd accused of making racist comment

"In a speech on the Senate floor last Thursday marking Sen. Robert Byrd's 17,000th vote in the body, Dodd said the West Virginia Democrat, member of the Ku Klux Klan before taking office and opponent of the 1964 Civil Right Act, "would have been right during the great conflict of Civil War in this nation."

Yikes! This is exactly the same kind of statement that Trent Lott (R-Miss) made at Strom Thurmond's birthday party, and the Dems HOWLED for his head!

And guess what!! One of the Dems that wanted Lott's head on a platter was none other than....Chris Dodd!!

December 15th of 2002 on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer "Senator Christopher Dodd...said, 'If Tom Daschle or another Democratic leader were to have made similar statements, the reaction would have been very swift. I don't think several hours would have gone by without there being an almost unanimous call from the leader to step down.'

TIME TO STEP DOWN SENATOR DODD!!!!

1) You actually read the Washington Times like it was real news

2) You actually think that comment was made in an inflammatory manner.... About a racist not by a racist which was the difference I imagine... sure Sen Byrd would have been very right on with his views during the Civil War... being a southern racist scumbag......


SHUX

 

[Jhhnn]

Desperation is unseemly, heartsurgeon, you really don't look very good wearing it.

Lott's remarks were in direct praise of Thurmond's racist 1948 Dixiecrat presidential candidacy, something Strom never, ever apologized for. Lott has also engaged in other activities on behalf of known racist organizations.

Dodd's remarks were in support of the character of Byrd, a man who's repeatedly admitted the error of his wayward youth-

"The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear."

That's from 1993, he made similar statements much earlier than that. His modern voting record also supports the idea that he's rehabilitated in this regard, unlike Lott...

Some people can recognize the error of their ways and make constructive changes. Others, entrenched in dogma and ideology, cannot. Some are all too ready to exploit the latter, witness the Nixonian "Southern Strategy" and its continued success, or Haley Barbour's support for thinly veiled racist groups in his home state...

Republican charges of racism by democrats are the most thinly veiled hypocrisy imaginable, considering the changes in the political landscape rendered by the voting rights acts of the 60's, when racist white southerners went over to the republicans in droves, and have pretty much stayed there... pandered to with coded phraseology, allusions to "states' rights", "family values" and the all too successful attack against McCain's "black child"...

 

[zantac]

In December 2002, Dodd told United Press International regarding the comments made by Lott about Thurmond, "If a Democratic leader had made [Lott's] statements, we would have to call for his stepping aside, without any question whatsoever."

He continued, "If Tom Daschle or another Democratic leader were to have made similar statements, the reaction would have been very swift. I don't think several hours would have gone by without there being an almost unanimous call for the leader to step aside."

 

[Genesys]

That's because your either a racist or an apologist for Sen. Dodd

OH OH OH!!! I want to use a moonbeam quote!

hes a bigot!

damn, it doesnt make me feel any better to be able to call anyone a bigot....oh well.

 

[heartsurgeon]

voting rights acts of the 60's, when racist white southerners went over to the republicans in droves, and have pretty much stayed there

HAHAHAHAHA
You ignorant liberal apologist!!!

"Sen. Robert "Sheets" Byrd held a 14 hour FILIBUSTER of the Senate Vote on the Civil Rights Act!!!
And he stayed a Democrat (Actually, the damning part is the Democrats LET HIM STAY)

"Sheets" very likely lynched people because of the color of their skin (i'm pretty sure there is no Statute of Limitations on murder) According to records compiled by the NAACP, there were 48 lynchings in West Virginia between the years of 1882 and 1968 - 28 African-Americans and 20 whites.

Your ability to completely ignore the facts and utter lack of historical knowledge indicate that you have wisely chosen to be a Liberal/Democrat...
if the shoe fits..wear it I say!

Oh yes..just three years after filibustering the Civil Rights Act Byrd became a member of the Senate Leadership in 1967, when he was selected by his colleagues to be Secretary of the Democratic Conference. In 1971, he was chosen Senate Democratic Whip.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: zantac

In December 2002, Dodd told United Press International regarding the comments made by Lott about Thurmond, "If a Democratic leader had made [Lott's] statements, we would have to call for his stepping aside, without any question whatsoever."

He continued, "If Tom Daschle or another Democratic leader were to have made similar statements, the reaction would have been very swift. I don't think several hours would have gone by without there being an almost unanimous call for the leader to step aside."

Ah, so he just gets a free pass because he isn't a leader. I think I understand now

CkG

 

[Jhhnn]

Thanks for the Ad Hom, Heartsurgeon, hope it makes you feel better. Wouldn't want you to blow a gasket, end up in the care of one of your competitors, rather than in the care of a competent psychoanalyst...

"Sheets" very likely lynched people because of the color of their skin (i'm pretty sure there is no Statute of Limitations on murder) According to records compiled by the NAACP, there were 48 lynchings in West Virginia between the years of 1882 and 1968 - 28 African-Americans and 20 whites.

That's a pretty presumptive charge, and totally unsubstantiated. Not that you seem to care about such trivialities, any attack will apparently do rather nicely.

As I pointed out earlier, some of us have the capacity to change, to grow, to become better human beings. I rather suspect you lack such capacity, but the Senator apparently doesn't. Here- scroll own to "Civil Rights"

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0950103#Civil+Rights

And for the part you've chosen to ignore, try this-

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/03/24/southern_strategy/

and a few of the articles you can easily find here-

http://www.google.com/search?q=Nixon+southern+strategy&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0

Modern Republicans owe much of their current strength and direction to the efforts of their post voting rights act predecessors, and to pandering to veiled racism. Not in the distant past, as with Byrd, but today, right now, and on into the foreseeable future.

"Revisionist History", indeed....

 

[heartsurgeon]

That's a pretty presumptive charge, and totally unsubstantiated. Not that you seem to care about such trivialities, any attack will apparently do rather nicely.

Oh Gosh! Shocking! Well what the heck do you think those fella's were doing in the KKK? Holding "pot luck" dinners for orphans? Sheets Byrd was a "Kleagle" who recruited for new KKK members. I think the odds are pretty good that Sheets participated in a lynching.

While I do believe that people can change their beliefs and viewpoint, it seems to be an astonishingly rapid "reappraisal" of one's racist feelings to try and claim Byrd went from a 14 hour filibuster against the civil rights act, to three years later being in the Democrat Leadership.


your first link - nothing prior to 1999 listed.
second link - i'm not going toi pay to read salon content.
as for your third link...EXCELLENT! thanks..i learned something...and here it is:

Between 1969 and 1974, Nixon, who believed that blacks had gotten a raw deal in America and wanted to extend a helping hand:

-- raised the civil rights enforcement budget 800 percent;

-- doubled the budget for black colleges;

-- appointed more blacks to federal posts and high positions than any president, including LBJ;

-- adopted the Philadelphia Plan mandating quotas for blacks in unions, and for black scholars in colleges and universities;

-- invented "Black Capitalism" (the Office of Minority Business Enterprise), raised U.S. purchases from black businesses from $9 million to $153 million, increased small business loans to minorities 1,000 percent, increased U.S. deposits in minority-owned banks 4000 percent;

-- raised the share of Southern schools that were desegregated from 10 percent to 70 percent. Wrote the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in 1975, "It has only been since 1968 that substantial reduction of racial segregation has taken place in the South."

The charge that we built our Republican coalition on race is a lie. Nixon routed the Left because it had shown itself incompetent to win or end a war into which it had plunged the United States and too befuddled or cowardly to denounce the rioters burning our cities or the brats rampaging on our campuses.

Nixon led America out of a dismal decade and was rewarded with a 49-state landslide. By one estimate, he carried 18 percent of the black vote in 1972 and 25 percent in the South. No Republican has since matched that.

but those aren't the facts you want to see are they?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by Heartlesssurgeon:
I think the odds are pretty good that Sheets [Sen.Robert Byrd} participated in a lynching.

Get a grip, Doc!

 

[Jhhnn]

While I do believe that people can change their beliefs and viewpoint, it seems to be an astonishingly rapid "reappraisal" of one's racist feelings to try and claim Byrd went from a 14 hour filibuster against the civil rights act, to three years later being in the Democrat Leadership.

I never made that particular claim.

Too bad you won't pay for Salon content, particularly since you appear to be able to afford it- I certainly won't post it entire, as many here would, out of respect for Salon's wishes. You can get around that, however, with a trial subscription...

How many pages of that google link did you have to ignore to find somebody biased enough to represent Nixon's signing of bills sent to him by a Democratic Congress as some kind of initiative on his part, anyway? If that's all you learned, I honestly can't figure out how you made it thru med school....

And you seem to somehow persist in equating Lott's praise of Thurmond's 1948 racist Dixiecrat candidacy with Dodd's praise of Byrd's character as it has developed over the years.

?When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we [in Mississippi] voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either.?

Wonder what kind of problems he's talkin' about....

vs-

ROBERT C. BYRD, in my view, would have been right at any time. He would have been right at the founding of this country. He would have been in the leadership crafting this Constitution. He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this Nation. He would have been right at the great moments of international threat we faced in the 20th century. I cannot think of a single moment in this Nation's 220-plus year history where he would not have been a valuable asset to this country.

Ol' Trent wasn't always a Republican, either, he followed to the exodus from the Dems somewhere between 1948 and 1972... wonder why...

 

[heartsurgeon]

to be honest, i never much liked the dixiecrats who became republicans....political opportunists..
you can have'em all back as far as i'm concerned.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Mods, I think you need to take a good long hard look at Heatsurgeon and his posts, I feel his banning is long overdue as well. There is no rhyme or reason to his blatantly anti-Democratic party, anti-Liberal posts. He will go out of his way to take quotes way out of context and distort them to fit his own twisted political views. Heartsurgeon, either you tone it down some or leave, I think everyone (even some of the conservative members of this forum) is getting sick of you.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Mods, I think you need to take a good long hard look at Heatsurgeon and his posts, I feel his banning is long overdue as well. There is no rhyme or reason to his blatantly anti-Democratic party, anti-Liberal posts. He will go out of his way to take quotes way out of context and distort them to fit his own twisted political views. Heartsurgeon, either you tone it down some or leave, I think everyone (even some of the conservative members of this forum) is getting sick of you.

Get over yourself already. If we banned people for their political views and voicing them strongly- 99% of the people here would be banned.

CkG

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Well there's a difference between voicing your political views and downright lying. Heartsurgeon has crossed the line one too many times.