Sen Chris Dodd (D-Conn) makes racist comments - needs to step down.

heartsurgeon

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What's good for the goose is good for the gander:

Sen. Dodd accused of making racist comment
"In a speech on the Senate floor last Thursday marking Sen. Robert Byrd's 17,000th vote in the body, Dodd said the West Virginia Democrat, member of the Ku Klux Klan before taking office and opponent of the 1964 Civil Right Act, "would have been right during the great conflict of Civil War in this nation."
Yikes! This is exactly the same kind of statement that Trent Lott (R-Miss) made at Strom Thurmond's birthday party, and the Dems HOWLED for his head!

And guess what!! One of the Dems that wanted Lott's head on a platter was none other than....Chris Dodd!!
December 15th of 2002 on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer "Senator Christopher Dodd...said, 'If Tom Daschle or another Democratic leader were to have made similar statements, the reaction would have been very swift. I don't think several hours would have gone by without there being an almost unanimous call from the leader to step down.'
TIME TO STEP DOWN SENATOR DODD!!!!
 

conjur

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"The comments were made as part of large praise of Byrd's great service as a Senator, which Dodd said, "would have been right at anytime.""

I'm somehow thinking that Dodd was either unaware of Byrd's KKK past or was simply just honoring Byrd on his 17,000th vote.

Much the same as Lott's comments were not intended to be hurtful.


Settle down, Beavis.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
"The comments were made as part of large praise of Byrd's great service as a Senator, which Dodd said, "would have been right at anytime.""

I'm somehow thinking that Dodd was either unaware of Byrd's KKK past or was simply just honoring Byrd on his 17,000th vote.

Much the same as Lott's comments were not intended to be hurtful.


Settle down, Beavis.

hes just pointing out a double standard. something liberals are full of.
 

SViscusi

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

Yikes! This is exactly the same kind of statement that Trent Lott (R-Miss) made at Strom Thurmond's birthday party, and the Dems HOWLED for his head!

No they didn't. Most of the condemnation came from republicans.
 

conjur

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The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Senator from Connecticut.

Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I add my voice as well to my seatmate, if I may. I sit in this chair by choice. Senator Byrd sits in his chair by choice as well, but he makes the choice before I do. I wanted to find out where he was going to sit so I could sit next to him. I did that because I wanted to sit next to the best, to learn everything I possibly could about the ability of this institution to provide the kind of leadership I think the country expects of us.

Several thoughts come to mind. This is a day of obvious significance in the number of votes that have been cast, 17,000, but it is far more important to talk about quality than quantity. Quantity is not an insignificant achievement, but the quality of my colleague and friend's service is what I think about when the name ROBERT C. BYRD comes to my mind.

I carry with me every single day, 7 days a week, a rather threadbare copy of the United States Constitution given to me many years ago--I can't even read it well now; it is so worn out--I may need a new copy--given to me by

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my seatmate, ROBERT C. BYRD. I revere it. I tell people why I carry it because it reminds me of the incredible gift given to me by the people of Connecticut to serve in this Chamber, to remind me of the importance of an oath we all made, and that is to do everything we can to preserve, protect, and defend the principles upon which this Nation was founded. ROBERT C. BYRD, in my mind, is the embodiment of that goal.
It has often been said that the man and the moment come together. I do not think it is an exaggeration at all to say to my friend from West Virginia that he would have been a great Senator at any moment. Some were right for the time. ROBERT C. BYRD, in my view, would have been right at any time. He would have been right at the founding of this country. He would have been in the leadership crafting this Constitution. He would have been right during the great conflict of civil war in this Nation. He would have been right at the great moments of international threat we faced in the 20th century. I cannot think of a single moment in this Nation's 220-plus year history where he would not have been a valuable asset to this country. Certainly today that is not any less true.

I join my colleagues in thanking the Senator from West Virginia for the privilege of serving with him. He has now had to endure two members of my family as colleagues. Senator Byrd was elected to the Senate in 1958 along with my father. He served with my father in the House. I have now had the privilege of serving with Senator Byrd for 24 years, twice the length of service of my father. That is an awful lot of time to put up with members of the Dodd family. We thank Senator Byrd for his endurance through all of that time.

There is no one I admire more, there is no one to whom I listen more closely and carefully when he speaks on any subject matter. I echo the comments of my colleague from Massachusetts. If I had to pick out any particular point of service for which I admire the Senator most, it is his unyielding defense of the Constitution. All matters come and go. We cast votes on such a variety of issues, but Senator Byrd's determination to defend and protect this document which serves as our rudder as we sail through the most difficult of waters is something that I admire beyond all else.

I join in this moment in saying: Thank you for your service, thank you for your friendship, and I look forward to many more years of sitting next to you on the floor of the Senate.

I yield the floor.
 

conjur

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I guess Republican Senator Frist is racist, too:

Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I would like to take a moment to remark on a truly historic moment that just took place about 15 seconds ago, a moment we all witnessed which is special in United States history in a way we will shortly lay out.

Senator ROBERT BYRD is already recognized as an American icon. In 1917, he began life as a virtual orphan. His mom passed away when he was a year old. His aunt and uncle brought him to West Virginia to raise him on their own.

Hard working, enterprising, ROBERT BYRD made the most of every single opportunity along the way and rose to become the third longest serving Member of Congress in U.S. history.

Among his many distinctions, Senator Byrd has held more leadership positions in this body, the U.S. Senate, than any other Senator in American history.

Over the course of eight consecutive terms, Senator Byrd has cast more votes than any other Senator in the

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history of the Republic. Today, just a couple minutes ago, Senator Byrd cast his 17,000th vote in this Chamber. I applaud Senator Byrd for his commitment to public service. This vote is truly a milestone in his career and the history of the U.S. Senate.
Without question, when history is written, Senator Byrd will hold a prominent place as a Senate legend.


Or the Republican Senator from Alaska:

Mr. STEVENS. Mr. President, the Senator from West Virginia honors us all with that last statement he made.

Over the years I have been here, it has been my privilege to travel with the Senator from West Virginia to many events. I want to recall one for the Senate that I am sure the Senator will remember.

We were in West Virginia with the British American Parliamentary Conference. One of our guests from Britain made the mistake of saying it was too bad that their American cousins did not know anything about British history.

My colleague was the host that evening. And making a closing statement for that dinner, Senator Byrd decided to show our British cousins his wealth of knowledge about the history of Britain and proceeded to name every monarch, every spouse, every person who had a personal relationship with every monarch, and a complete history of the monarchy of Great Britain.

Needless to say, when he finished, which was quite a few minutes later,

the British stood and applauded politely, and we have never heard such a comment again from our British cousins. There have been many other occasions we have had together.

I wanted to say that one of the great joys of serving in the Senate is my being able to get to know my friend from West Virginia. We have had our disagreements, but that is natural because this aisle separates us once in a while. But nothing has separated ROBERT BYRD from each Senator in the Senate. He has been the most agreeable Senator, on a personal basis, that I have known in the Senate. I think every Senator will say the same thing.

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He always has a smile. He always increases that smile if we remember to ask about Erma.
Mr. President, I join in the applause, but I think the Senate itself has been honored today to witness this historic mark in his career.
 

heartsurgeon

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Yep, pretty much says it all. Racist, insensitive. It would have been "right" for a Grand Dragon of the KKK to have served in the Senate when the Civil War was upon us.....

If you can't see how wrong this is, then maybe your a racist too?
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
What's good for the goose is good for the gander:

Isn't this a bit harsh. Generally Democrats do say things they don't really mean
and have no intension of actually doing... Other than raising my tax bill..

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Yep, pretty much says it all. Racist, insensitive. It would have been "right" for a Grand Dragon of the KKK to have served in the Senate when the Civil War was upon us.....

If you can't see how wrong this is, then maybe your a racist too?

It's obvious you're just an idiot since you cannot see beyond the end of your nose as it's buried up Bush's ass.

If you honestly think Dodd was supporting Byrd's KKK history in his statements, you should be on some medication.
 

heartsurgeon

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yep.
your a insensitive racist.

go ask one of your black friends (if you have any) if they think that was an insensitive racist statement....then you'll figure it out (maybe, probably not..)

you do realize that Sen "Sheets" Byrd probably participated in the lynching of fellow human beings because of their skin color...because that's what the KKK did, under the guidance of their Grand Dragons.
 

outriding

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Hey HS. can you point out when you complained about Lott and his comments ?

Just curious.
 

BugsBunny1078

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He was elected he has to stay and finish his term. If hes not Your Senator then you have no right to an opinion about what kind of job he is doing.
 

heartsurgeon

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Hey HS. can you point out when you complained about Lott and his comments ?
I did not defend Lott's comments, and thought that they were very insensitive, and very poorly chosen words. I don't know if he is a racist. I left the condemnation of Lott to those of you who I knew would derive maximum pleasure from that activity.

I believe the utter hypocrisy of the liberals is on display here. But that's just commonplace these days.
I completely fail to see any racism.
That's because your either a racist or an apologist for Sen. Dodd

you have no right to an opinion about what kind of job he is doing
Yikes! The Thought Police! I have no right to an opinion!! This sounds like what Stalin preached. So much for freedom of thought, much less speech, in your vision of liberal utopia! You would like N. Korea or Cuba apparently.....
 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon

I believe the utter hypocrisy of the liberals is on display here. But that's just commonplace these days.

Bwahahaha. Being that you explicity started this thread to affirm your belief of the "utter hypocrisy of the liberals", I fail to see why you're acting so shocked about it. "Faith-based flame baiting" would be a good word for it.

But I ask again, what should Dodd "step down" from?
 

outriding

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Hey HS. can you point out when you complained about Lott and his comments ?
I did not defend Lott's comments, and thought that they were very insensitive, and very poorly chosen words. I don't know if he is a racist. I left the condemnation of Lott to those of you who I knew would derive maximum pleasure from that activity.

I believe the utter hypocrisy of the liberals is on display here. But that's just commonplace these days.
I completely fail to see any racism.
That's because your either a racist or an apologist for Sen. Dodd

you have no right to an opinion about what kind of job he is doing
Yikes! The Thought Police! I have no right to an opinion!! This sounds like what Stalin preached. So much for freedom of thought, much less speech, in your vision of liberal utopia! You would like N. Korea or Cuba apparently.....


Wow...

In your first post you said there is NO DIFFERENCE between Lott and Dodd.

But you refuse to make a stink about Lott, but you will make a stink about Dodd !

Then you complain about how much the liberals are hypocrites and you are just as bad.


 

Vic

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
I completely fail to see any racism.
That's because your either a racist or an apologist for Sen. Dodd
You have GOT to be kidding me.
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Get a fscking clue, asshole. Calling me a racist is fighting words, and I apologize for nobody. I think your banning is overdue, troll.
 

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Dodd: Problem has roots in Republican Party
Democratic officials have been much quicker to criticize Lott, although to date only Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts -- who is considering a run for the Democratic nomination for president in 2004 -- and Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin have called for Lott's resignation as majority leader.

Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Connecticut, came close Sunday on "Late Edition."

"If Tom Daschle or another Democratic leader were to have made similar statements, the reaction would have been very swift," Dodd said. "I don't think several hours would have gone by without there being an almost unanimous call for the leader to step aside."

Dodd said the problem lies with the Republican Party.

"Mainstream Republican thinking over the last 40 years has been opposed to an awful lot of the civil rights legislation," he said. "So this isn't just about Trent Lott, it's about a party that needs to come to terms with this view here -- that you go to the South, you say one thing to one group of people and another thing nationally."

Dodd said that unless the Republicans address the issue of race relations head on, "they're going to pay an awful price politically and it hurts the country terribly in my view."

Dodd agreed that the Republicans should make the decision about Lott but added that if the senator were to stay, a move to censure him "takes on more of a reality."

"But it ought to be bipartisan," he said. "It ought not to be Democrats versus Republicans."

According to senior GOP leadership aides, many in the Senate Republican caucus are trying to devise what has been described as a "soft landing" for Lott -- a high-profile position that would keep him from resigning his seat.

Mississippi's governor, Ronnie Musgrove, is a Democrat and likely would appoint someone in his party to replace Lott. Such a move would leave the Senate split at 50 Republicans, 49 Democrats and an independent who caucuses with the Democrats.

Lott has apologized several times for his remarks, most recently Friday to reporters in Pascagoula. At the time, he said he would not resign his leadership post "for an accusation that I'm something I'm not."

Now those were Dodd's statements about the Lott flap. I wonder if the reaction is going to be swift as he once suggested it would;)

Now all that being noted - I doubt highly that Dodd is racist or was praising Byrd for being racist but I also think the same standards of reaction and fall out needs to be applied here. Lott took alot of heat and has been bashed endlessly by the partisans on the left and so I suspect that we might hear a bit of clammor from them over this flap - no? Well, maybe that's too much to ask since I don't really believe his intentions were anything but good but again - were Lott's statement any different?

Will I defend Dodd against the accusation of racism? yes - just like in Lott's case. Will I defend him against charges of a double standard? No. If both statements were made in good faith(and I believe they both were without malice in regards to racism) then the same standard needs to be applied. People called for Lott's resignation - no, not only from his leadership role - but from gov't all together.

I wonder what Conyers has to say about this. Will Dodd's apology a similar slap in the fact to African Americans? Lots of questions...

Have fun - and remember this when dealing with this issue - both men love their country and have devoted many years of their lives to the governance of our country and when looking at this issue one must take into consideration what the speech was for. In both cases they were trying to honor a old geezers who both spent a few too many years in office. I hope they both learn from this and realize elected officials shouldn't spend their entire lives in office - lest they got old, senile, and stupid.(well some are already well on their way to being some of those:p)

Just my longwinded $.02 on this.:D

CkG
 

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Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Hey HS. can you point out when you complained about Lott and his comments ?
I did not defend Lott's comments, and thought that they were very insensitive, and very poorly chosen words. I don't know if he is a racist. I left the condemnation of Lott to those of you who I knew would derive maximum pleasure from that activity.

I believe the utter hypocrisy of the liberals is on display here. But that's just commonplace these days.
I completely fail to see any racism.
That's because your either a racist or an apologist for Sen. Dodd

you have no right to an opinion about what kind of job he is doing
Yikes! The Thought Police! I have no right to an opinion!! This sounds like what Stalin preached. So much for freedom of thought, much less speech, in your vision of liberal utopia! You would like N. Korea or Cuba apparently.....


Wow...

In your first post you said there is NO DIFFERENCE between Lott and Dodd.

But you refuse to make a stink about Lott, but you will make a stink about Dodd !

Then you complain about how much the liberals are hypocrites and you are just as bad.

*sigh*
He doesn't believe it is a bad thing to say because he knows what was actually meant by it.

He is simply pointing out the double standards of liberals. They were very upset about Lott's comments, now they are ok with it when it's one of their own. That is the point he is making.
 

heartsurgeon

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In your first post you said there is NO DIFFERENCE between Lott and Dodd.
I never said any such thing. I am pointing out that DODD was critical of Lott for insensitive and racist comments, and that now DODD has gone and done the same thing.

Lott has not been critical of DODD to my knowledge. Lott has stepped down from his leadership position, and asked for forgiveness, and apologized about his remarks.

There was plenty of "Stink" about Lott's comments in this forum. I just stated I felt his comments were insensitive, and could be racist.

I haven't heard one lily white liberal voice here say anything remotely critical of Dodd's statement...
why don't you go repeat Dodd's comment to you black buddies and see how they feel about it??

I'll guarantee you within a week, Dodd is apologizing for at least being "insensitive"
 

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
I completely fail to see any racism.
That's because your either a racist or an apologist for Sen. Dodd
You have GOT to be kidding me.
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Get a fscking clue, asshole. Calling me a racist is fighting words, and I apologize for nobody. I think your banning is overdue, troll.

I think Rush, I mean heartsurgeon, is easier to deal with if you just relax and converse with him like the 12 year-old he is...

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
What's good for the goose is good for the gander:

Sen. Dodd accused of making racist comment
"In a speech on the Senate floor last Thursday marking Sen. Robert Byrd's 17,000th vote in the body, Dodd said the West Virginia Democrat, member of the Ku Klux Klan before taking office and opponent of the 1964 Civil Right Act, "would have been right during the great conflict of Civil War in this nation."
Yikes! This is exactly the same kind of statement that Trent Lott (R-Miss) made at Strom Thurmond's birthday party, and the Dems HOWLED for his head!

And guess what!! One of the Dems that wanted Lott's head on a platter was none other than....Chris Dodd!!
December 15th of 2002 on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer "Senator Christopher Dodd...said, 'If Tom Daschle or another Democratic leader were to have made similar statements, the reaction would have been very swift. I don't think several hours would have gone by without there being an almost unanimous call from the leader to step down.'
TIME TO STEP DOWN SENATOR DODD!!!!

Dodd doesnt hold a leadership position to step down from....