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Sempron 2650 AM1 less-obsolete than A10-6800K FM2...

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waltchan

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A biggest ripoff... AMD just released their new Crimson video drivers, and they are no longer supported for FM2 processors and older. You can only get beta. This also applies to all desktop graphics card. Minimum requirement now for Crimson is at least R2 Radeon APU, AM1 & FM2+ socket, R3 graphics card, and E1-2100 notebook.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=legacy3&os=Windows+10+-+64

So a laughable $20 Sempron 2650 is really more future-ready and, in case, for future Windows 11, than the $130 A10-6800K. Sad...
 
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I believe the 6000-series FM2 processors were the last thing AMD made with the non-GCN architecture, for their IGPs. Non-GCN GPUs had already been obsolete for a while by then.
 
It's not that sad. The older driver sets still work just fine for the older cards.

edit: the only real bummer is that if you wanted Crimson vs CCC then you are SOL.
 
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Richland was also basically a Trinity rebrand, so it's from late 2012,

but yes, it sucks because you can still buy them new, and until Kaveri (2014) it was their main APU, and it added new things compared to the 6900s (like the VCE block)


also the latest legacy Crimson removes OpenCL support from what I noticed, ironic considering they always tried to push OpenCL as a big deal for APUs.
 
DrMrLordX said:
It's not that sad. The older driver sets still work just fine for the older cards.

edit: the only real bummer is that if you wanted Crimson vs CCC then you are SOL.
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As a one time offer, isn't the first version of Crimson usable on pre GCN GPUs?
 
maddie said:
As a one time offer, isn't the first version of Crimson usable on pre GCN GPUs?
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there is a version for the DX11 GPUs, a legacy version, but it lacks most of the advertised features (but you get the new interface), and it also removes things supported by recent Catalysts, like OpenCL.

NTMBK said:
VLIW4 is pretty well optimised at this point, not like it really needs new drivers.
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seems like PR talk, I think they need to constantly optimize for new games and such, search for some benchmarks with the 6970 on games for this year and there is a lot of strange performance variations, which I think are related to poor support, also some bugs, and now lack of crossfire support and so on... people still playing new games with DX11 Radeons are definitely affected by this.
 
I dont understand that support page you linked waltchan. As I read it, my HD7770 is now legacy status? Is that correct? It is GCN though. Or is that a different 7000 series that is legacy status? My computer automatically updated to the Crimson whatever last night.
 
frozentundra123456 said:
I dont understand that support page you linked waltchan. As I read it, my HD7770 is now legacy status? Is that correct? It is GCN though. Or is that a different 7000 series that is legacy status? My computer automatically updated to the Crimson whatever last night.
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some 7000 series were rebranded VILW cards, (even some R5s), those are legacy.

basically anything from AMD non GCN is legacy regardless of the model name, 7700 is GCN, so it still supported.
 
frozentundra123456 said:
I dont understand that support page you linked waltchan. As I read it, my HD7770 is now legacy status? Is that correct? It is GCN though. Or is that a different 7000 series that is legacy status? My computer automatically updated to the Crimson whatever last night.
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I have some A6-5400Ks, and they can download and install Crimson Beta only. I'm not sure about installing the real Crimson (should I try it), and anyone has any installation success for Richland APUs and older?
 
SPBHM said:
and it also removes things supported by recent Catalysts, like OpenCL.
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Wow, not only is the last driver for VLIW cards, branded a "beta", but they also drop OpenCL support? What a kick in the teeth.

I hope nobody supports AMD's APU concept like this, after they are dropping support for what is probably 1/3 of their installed base...
 
VirtualLarry said:
Wow, not only is the last driver for VLIW cards, branded a "beta", but they also drop OpenCL support? What a kick in the teeth.

I hope nobody supports AMD's APU concept like this, after they are dropping support for what is probably 1/3 of their installed base...
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What? They always did that!!!! they disabled OpenCL on HD4000 series as well back in the day.... no one seems to care.
 
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Shivansps said:
What? They always did that!!!! they disabled OpenCL on HD4000 series as well back in the day.... no one seems to care.
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OpenCL is still not a big deal I guess, but it was even less important when HD4K support ended also since 2009 AMD was happy to say HD4K was no good for OpenCL
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/graphi...000_Will_Have_Limited_OpenCL_Performance.html

still, this Richland slide from 2013 showing how awesome OpenCL was for the APU and the latests driver disabling support for the GPU is...

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(keep in mind, I'm assuming OpenCL GPU support is also disabled for Richland, because it definitely is on my discrete VLIW card with Crimson, and I was using it recently with Catalysts, but if you have Richland on windows 10 and use the WHQL Catalyst you should be good)
 
OpenCL, for me, is the whole reason to have a GPU / iGPU. Dropping it, well, that's basically like dropping support altogether. It stinks. I'm going to, I guess, go with NV next time. Sorry AMD. Drop me, and I drop you.

Edit: "AMD, one more step towards being... irrelevant."
 
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VirtualLarry said:
OpenCL, for me, is the whole reason to have a GPU / iGPU. Dropping it, well, that's basically like dropping support altogether. It stinks. I'm going to, I guess, go with NV next time. Sorry AMD. Drop me, and I drop you.

Edit: "AMD, one more step towards being... irrelevant."
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The only way is to NOT to install that version. AMD lost market there. They screwed the old GPU, just like Intel and nVIDIA.... at this pace only VIA will care of them D:
 
VirtualLarry said:
OpenCL, for me, is the whole reason to have a GPU / iGPU. Dropping it, well, that's basically like dropping support altogether. It stinks. I'm going to, I guess, go with NV next time. Sorry AMD. Drop me, and I drop you.

Edit: "AMD, one more step towards being... irrelevant."
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What OpenCL programs do you run on your APU? Any serious OpenCL usage would require a discrete card (eg you're a quant doing high frequency trading).
 
The FM2 processors can run for the next 5 years maximum on the existing, old Catalyst driver before it becomes unusable. Windows 11 will make FM2 non-compatible. But the slow-ass Sempron 2650 will still be alive.
 
waltchan said:
The FM2 processors can run for the next 5 years maximum on the existing, old Catalyst driver before it becomes unusable. Windows 11 will make FM2 non-compatible. But the slow-ass Sempron 2650 will still be alive.
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The ATi Radeon HD 2000 Series was launched in 2006. Almost 10 years later I installed Windows 10 x64 on a machine with HD 2600 plugged in and the system had graphics hardware acceleration from the first reboot.

Stop the FUD.
 
coercitiv said:
The ATi Radeon HD 2000 Series was launched in 2006. Almost 10 years later I installed Windows 10 x64 on a machine with HD 2600 plugged in and the system had graphics hardware acceleration from the first reboot.

Stop the FUD.
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Of course, Heaven help you, if you try the same thing with a newer HD4850 card, and your default config over / under scans.

You have no obvious way to fix it (short of really obscure and technical regedits), because the Win10 driver is incomplete, and doesn't include the control panel, like NV's drivers do.
 
VirtualLarry said:
Of course, Heaven help you, if you try the same thing with a newer HD4850 card, and your default config over / under scans.

You have no obvious way to fix it (short of really obscure and technical regedits), because the Win10 driver is incomplete, and doesn't include the control panel, like NV's drivers do.
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Do you also believe that when the unannounced Win 11 will come in 5 years from now, the FM2 platform will become unusable?
 
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