where do they say its non-supported? legacy pretty much means only security fixes. They offer an up to date driver for the latest OS and a fairly stable linux driver. Stop over reacting.
where do they say its non-supported? legacy pretty much means only security fixes. They offer an up to date driver for the latest OS and a fairly stable linux driver. Stop over reacting.
You know that Windows 10 is not final right? just look at TH2, it is a full OS update.
And that is not even a excuse for selling a legacy product on its main line, lets say, the HD5450 and HD6450? they still sell it, but who cares, but lets not forget that the R5 230 is a 6450 rebrand, and as so is a main line product, just like the A4-7300 (rebranded 6400K).
their historic of legacy support is quite poor, I don't expect it to be different this time.
basically the couple of drivers they released after the HD4Ks transitioned to legacy support were all missing features and simply not very good, they didn't release a win 8.1 drivers, and the win 8 driver was also I think missing things and not very good, to a point were forcing the win 7 driver was better I think.
if you are buying Richland now don't expect any support, any new driver releases worth downloading, the best you can use is out now, probably some 14 or 15. something catalyst
new Windows versions will depend on how compatible Microsoft keeps things,
do they still work as described? or are they disabled? Does amd sell direct to consumers? does windows 10 driver model change in between updates?
I really don't know why I'm responding to you, this is pointless.
you are working too hard to justify what cant be justified, simple as that.
I have no idea what could happen on future Windows 10 updates and thats the point.
Legacy means there won't be any new generation Catalyst software. It is stuck at the old and official 15.7.1 forever until it stops working, originally designed and made for Windows 8.1. The newer Crimson is made for Windows 10, and sadly, none of Richland APUs and older get it. You need to go with AM1 or FM2+ now. The upcoming AM4 gets identical support to FM2+.
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Yep, still a current model, despite A6-7400K is the new minimum requirement for Crimson.
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DrMrLordX
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The smart money is on MS continuing to shlep 15.7.1 as the WHQL driver for anyone running "legacy" VLIW4/5 GPUs. That Crimson Beta will never get WHQL certification.
What's odd is that AMD continues to sell VLIW GPUs at all, though that won't last very long.
VirtualLarry
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Yep, you just don't want to admit that AMD just dropped support for a major portion of their products.
Trust me, as someone that struggled with a HD4850 and getting dropped to their "legacy drivers"... it sucks. And no, they DO NOT "work as described" with the legacy drivers. They are half-assed crap. OpenCL doesn't work, the DVI-to-HDMI dongle (the official ATI one) doesn't work to carry HDMI audio with those drivers. Even though that was an advertised feature of the card.
Larry that 4850 is kind of old. Even for an old man. I could kind of understand if it was a 6850 but hey. Replace it with a 1G 7850 that is a gazilion times faster and can be bought for less than 10% of the stuff you get the rest of the week.
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First consumer GPU that could do 1TeraFlop, the beginning of AMD's "TeraScale" architecture (VLIW5). I still have a couple of them, one with a bad fan. They are still powerful for crunching MW@Home, due to 1/8 DP.
I own a bunch of older 5x and 6x series cards and they're still pretty fast with most of today's games. Its a shame but expected with AMD layoffs they need to focus all efforts on GCN improvements. I would rather my GCN cards run better due to extra resources to be honest. I just hope new games work for some time on the 5x and 6x series cards given they have the horsepower.
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support ended in 2012 for the DX10/DX10.1 Radeons, yes they have windows 8.0 drivers on the AMD website, but the older win 7 driver is probably better, you can install the win 7 driver on 8.1 without to many problems from what I recall, and on win10 win update downloads a driver (win 7 driver from 2012 basically, WDDM 1.1) but with no control panel, when I tried (with a 4670) to install a win 7 or 8 driver to get the control panel it didn't work (it installed the driver and CCC, the driver worked, the control panel did not)
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If a person installed DX10 VLIW 5 and CCC on a Windows 8 computer and then updates to Win 8.1 do you know if they keep the control panel?
Actually all ATI/AMD GPUs with unified shaders use the TeraScale architecture. So it goes back all the way to the HD2000 series (2006). So it has had a pretty good run in fact.
The "only" special things about the HD5000 series was full DX11 support and HDMI support.
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It may have been the same architecture, but I don't believe that it was actually dubbed "TeraScale", until the HD4850 was released, being the first 1TeraFlop-capable consumer video card.
I'm not sure, when I tried it I used a clean 8.1 install,
but getting the control panel on win 8.1 was not a problem with my 4670 after trying to install the older drivers, on 10 it was.
HD2000 is from May 2007, it was very quickly followed it by HD 3000 on the same year and HD4000 the next year.
I don't think AMD started using the term Terascale architecture until 2008 when they started talking about the HD4000 series, but, yes, it's the same architecture with some changes, they still released new VLIW5 GPUs up until mid 2011 (llano, Caicos) and Wii U is also VLIW5 (2012)
I think older cards also supported HDMI, HD5000 added displayport and eyefinity
As you're both pointing out, it wasn't actually called TeraScale back then, but it was basically the same VLIW5 architecture as the HD5000 series.
The HD4850/70/90 didn't support HDMI directly, you had to use an adaptor for that, and I distinctly remember my HD4850 having an S-video out onboard. Some of the lower-end stuff might have had native HDMI, I don't remember.
And yes, the HD2000 series is from 2007, don't know why I'd gotten 2006 into my head.
To your amazing surprise, HD3000 remains in production today as an integrated GPU in Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 and Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 motherboards.
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And today, it's all but useless. I wonder what the driver status is today of the NV 6150 chipset? That was used in many OEM system, like Walmart special e-machines and the like, with AM2 CPUs.
Edit: I just put together a rig with that chipset. An Asus AM2+ mobo, an X4 630, 2x4GB DDR2, an SSD, and a 630GT. Was offering it to a friend, but he wasn't interested. (Was free, even.)
Edit: Well, maybe not "just". I actually built the rig some years back, I did have to refurb it just recently though.
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yes the HD 4000s were the last with the analogue TV output (S-Video+composite+component), some had HDMI port, but I think all of them (HD3000 and higher at least) supported HDMI with basic DVI adapters and could output audio via HDMI,
yes it's a chipset from 2008, from before Phenom II, 760/780G (same thing, just UVD enabled on 780G I think), it's a shame AMD didn't make a low end chipset like the 990/970 for AM3+, but their focus was to push FM1 for low end/IGPs,
more surprising was the nforce 7025/630 stuff being used even for some low end AM3+ boards... that's basically the old 6100/430, it's a DX9 IGP and doesn't even have the Hyper Transport speed that Phenoms used, it was limited to the Athlon 64 Hyper Transport speed (and PCIE 1.1)
6100 is not officially supported by win 10, not even 8.1, last driver was forceware 309 or something for win8 (whql driver from 2015 supporting 2004 products), but it always worked fine for me on 8.1 with the default driver, or the 8.0 driver (with control panel), when I upgraded to 10 it gave me a warning that the graphics card was not compatible with 10, I just installed it anyway (did a fresh windows 10 x64 install) and windows update didn't install a driver and just left the generic Microsoft driver, I installed the win 8.0 forceware 309 and it worked with no trouble, even the control panel is fine.
basically the experience with the geforce 6 was worse than the HD4670 due to the lack of automatic driver install, and the upgrade tool waning me the GPU was incompatible, but when installing a win8.0 driver it worked better than the HD4670 doing the same thing or using the win update driver (because the control panel is present)
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I had a 4670 with onboard HDMI. Wiki article says RV770 had native HDMI support, including 7.1 Sound over it. I really liked that card, great value at the time I got it (summer 2009).
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