Seems Iran tried (and failed) to kidnap US soldiers
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Border patrol in Iran is not the job of the Regular Iranian Army. It is the job of the average citizen who has been given 2 years to serve in the country.
There are numerous videos on the Internet with troops from Afghanistan (NATO) entering Iran. Iranian troops surround them and tell them to leave.
When you are patrolling borders, there is no white line to tell you where you are. I'm sure U.S patrols have crossed into Iran on numerous incidents. U.S already violates Iranian airspace which could be a sign of war.
Also it might not have been Iranian troops since Kurdish rebels operate near the Iraqi border.
There are numerous videos on the Internet with troops from Afghanistan (NATO) entering Iran. Iranian troops surround them and tell them to leave.
When you are patrolling borders, there is no white line to tell you where you are. I'm sure U.S patrols have crossed into Iran on numerous incidents. U.S already violates Iranian airspace which could be a sign of war.
Also it might not have been Iranian troops since Kurdish rebels operate near the Iraqi border.
I'm stating facts.
Do you have a problem with me stating facts or do you just like to talk B.S?
I'm sorry that you are uneducated on the topic.
You are just another brainwashed fool who thinks Iran is a danger to the U.S and is a terrorist state. I laugh at you.
dahunan
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Iran is a terrorist state
Look at what the Shiits in Iraq are doing with Irans SUPPORT
Look at the dumb ****** Hamas does with IRans SUPPORT
Why doesn't Iran actually help with educating the people of Palestine instead of using them as pawns in their religious war with Israel
I also don't believe one word these soldiers are being forced to say on TV.. It is also ILLEGAL to parade them around like TERRORISTS WOULD
They kidnapped these soldiers to USE -- the same way terrorists would.. Can you deny that?
Look at what the Shiits in Iraq are doing with Irans SUPPORT
Look at the dumb ****** Hamas does with IRans SUPPORT
Why doesn't Iran actually help with educating the people of Palestine instead of using them as pawns in their religious war with Israel
I also don't believe one word these soldiers are being forced to say on TV.. It is also ILLEGAL to parade them around like TERRORISTS WOULD
They kidnapped these soldiers to USE -- the same way terrorists would.. Can you deny that?
Jeff7
Lifer
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Isn't P&N fun?
That kind of quick, stupid reaction is what politicians love - citizens who just act without thinking. "Vote for me because my opponent will kill your families!!!!" Quick, REACT!!!! Go vote for the guy who isn't trying to murder your relatives! Don't stop to think, or he'll make his move!:laugh:
oh please
U.S gave chemical weapons to Iraq to use on Iranians who were defending their country from an Arab invasion. Iraq used those chemical weapons and it eventually killed hundreds of thousands of people
Fast forward years later and the U.S invaded Iraq because of those very chemical weapons
The actions of the U.S have resulted in millions of people dead.
so Iran gives weapons to certain groups. Big deal. China and Russia do the same exact thing. Neither Iran or China or Russia are handing around chemical weapons.
It is the U.S who has done so.
So the U.S has ZERO right to call Iran a terrorist state.
I change my wording.. U.S is a terrorist/dangerous state when Republicans are in power.
dahunan
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What about the Terrorist Style Kidnappings and Propaganda Videos of the soldiers?
Need Urinalysis?
How do you know Iran hasn't given out some chemical weapons?
Do you think any state as big and stron as Iran should go around saying that another country should be destroyed and her supporters will be engulfed in in inferno of flames -- while he claims to be seeking NUCLEAR POWER (with weaponizing ability) ??
YOO are blinded by your DNA
^^^
Need Urinalysis?How do you know Iran hasn't given out some chemical weapons?
Do you think any state as big and stron as Iran should go around saying that another country should be destroyed and her supporters will be engulfed in in inferno of flames -- while he claims to be seeking NUCLEAR POWER (with weaponizing ability) ??
YOO are blinded by your DNA
Well, actually the arrested soldiers do not fall within the Geneva convention as Iran and the US are not currently at war. So technically it is not illegal to show images of them on TV.
This doesn't make it less despicable, just not illegal.
There is zero evidence to suggest Iran has given anyone chemical weapons. If Hezbollah had them they would have used them. They were on the brink of destruction and would have launched chemical weapons into Israel.
Iran has never said Israel should be destroyed. It said the REGIME of Israel needs to be pushed off the map. REGIME. The President used the word REGIME.
Just like Israel and the U.S like to use the word Regime change.
You are falling a victim to your own media's propaganda.
My DNA is Jewish.. so shouldn't I believe what the Jewish media has to say over Iranian?
dahunan
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Thank you ... then isn't there some sort of International Law surrounding their abuse of these soldiers and kidnapping for political purposes
It is very disgusting and I cannot believe the Iranian Govt thinks it is acceptable..
Maybe they forgot about the last time their RELIGION OF PEACE followers abducted innocent Americans?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
You lack an education in the topic you are discussing.
The hostage taking was not the action of the Iranian Regime.
It happened during a revolution. Students tookover the hostages. Those students were members of a group called MEK. MEK was seeking a different type of government inside Iran. Like I said during a revolution the government is not stable. The only reason Iran's government became stable was because the Arabs invaded.
Iran is now against MEK. So therefore, Iran appears to be against the very people who took the hostages.
I am half Jewish. My mother is a Jew making me a Jew.
I can go to Israel and live there right now if I wanted to.
You find it hard to believe? Why? Are you trying to suggest something?
No he said regime change. You go do your own homework. I am not going to educate you. If you want me to educate you then you pay me. Cough up the cash.
Originally posted by: dahunan
What about the Terrorist Style Kidnappings and Propaganda Videos of the soldiers?
^^^
How do you know Iran hasn't given out some chemical weapons?
Do you think any state as big and stron as Iran should go around saying that another country should be destroyed and her supporters will be engulfed in in inferno of flames -- while he claims to be seeking NUCLEAR POWER (with weaponizing ability) ??
YOO are blinded by your DNA
Selling weapons is not forbidden. It should be (in some way) regulated. But it is not. In fact, it is well known that the major exporters of weapons are the 5 permanent members of the UN security council.
Weapons trafficking is nasty, and I do agree enthusiastically that something should be done about it. But if you think that any country in the world has total control on where weapons produced by companies based on its soil end you are seriously mistaken.
When the Soviet Union was fighting in Afghanistan the rebels (including the Talebans) were fighting with American weapons. The Stinger portable anti aircraft missile was one of the key elements allowing the Afghan guerrilla to be so successful. Did you advocate at the time a massive soviet retaliation against the US for supporting terrorists?
Most weapons used by the Tutsi guerrilla entering Rwanda from Tanzania (in the year before the Hutu-Tutsi massacre) came from two companies, one British and the other Israeli. Hutu weapons were French, Belgian and German. Doesn't this make all these countries responsible for the Rwanda civil war? A lot of the land mines deployed in Africa during the '80s were made in Italy. Eventually the government outlawed their production, but the Italian company producing them has always claimed to be selling them in eastern Europe, from where (supposedly) arms traffickers were distributing them to the highest bidder.
Of course the Kalashnikov rifles the insurgents have in Iraq come from neighboring countries. Where should they come from? Iceland? Now they might well be weapons the Iranian or Pakistani governments sell to insurgency groups. Or they might be coming from private deal the insurgents do with weapons traffickers in those countries. I do not know it
This is NOT to say something should not be done about it. Countries should have a much tighter control on weapons flows outside of their borders, and should be held accountable in some way for this. But direct sponsorship from a government is different from private individuals inside the country selling weapons to somebody willing to pay them.
And again, I am not saying I am sure Iran doesn't directly support insurgents in Iraq. Just that I have no evidence of this, nor of the opposite.
It's always amazing how many people invoke the Iran Hostage crisis and how few acknowledge any of its precipitating events/factors. Try reading the entire article that you linked to, for starters, and then continue on to the linked article on Operation Ajax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax).
As we sowed, so do we now reap.
Where in that article does it say that the Iranians were trying to kidnap Americans? Did you even read what you posted?
Did you read it? Apparentely you missed the part where the Iranians told them if they tried to leave they'd be fired upon (this is in Iraqi territory).
I'm so sick and tired of Iran and all their BS...
Would you get off it already? You can spout the anti-American garbage all day long, it doesn't mean it's true. Look up the modern definition of terrorism, and explain to me how the US giving Iraq chemical weapons falls into that definition. Hell, the way Iran is behaving lately, I wish Iraq would've used more of it. Iran is our enemy, plain and simple.
How does that equate to kidnapping? Would you equate the capture of the Iranians in Iraq as kidnapping?
And if you're sick and tired of all their BS, report to your commander in chief, I'm sure he'll have no problem sending to the front line to die for him.
Look, if you want to have a conversation about this without degenerating in the obvious religion stereotypes we can do it.
Iran claims the soldiers were inside the Iranian border. This makes them unauthorized military personnel inside a foreign country, and as such they can be considered arrested for espionage.
The Geneva convention applies to prisoners of war. The US and Iran are not at war, so it does not apply here. Again, this doesn't make their appearance on TV less despicable.
Of course they do have rights, including right to have access to diplomatic personnel from their country, access to translators.
I am NOT saying that I believe they were inside Iran. Just that Iran considers them to be. None of the two parties has provided evidence of this. The Iranians claim they have the soldiers' GPS with data showing they were inside Iran. But they didn't provide anybody with evidence of this being true. Nor have the British provided some radar tracks showing they were not in Iranian waters.
Personally, I think Iran considers Iranian waters something that in fact it not, as that area is disputed. But this is just my feeling backed by no evidence, and as such basically worthless.
So Iran is a terrorist state by giving Hezbollah weapons &
the U.S is NOT a terrorist state by giving a terrorist state chemical weapons?
What is your level of education ntdz? Seriously.
Iran acting lately? U.S invaded a country. Iran took 15 British soldiers hostage. Yeah Iran is much worse than the U.S again.
Iraq did not use the chemical weapons to terrorize anyone, they used them to win a war. Hezbollah is an organization built on terrorism. Iran took 15 BRITISH soldiers hostage, on a mission in Iraqi waters with a mandate from both Iraq and the UN...I don't think any other country would have the audacity to do such a thing. Now I read about some incident where Iran thought they were going to kidnap some American soldiers...are they are out of their mind? They would have the wrath of god brought upon them if they touched one of our soldiers.
You wouldn't be trying to equate opinion with facts, would you? If you're not, then your little rant there means nothing, just hyperbole. If you claim it's fact, then show me where Hezbullah claims that it is a terrorist organization. Or just prove it from and impartial P.O.V..
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