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Sec. Nielsen is out; expect things to somehow get worse

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jackstar7 said:
The proceedings required would be worth it. There's a calculus that's more than efficacy of the hearings, and it could be a jarring enough that would gain incredible media coverage. The GOP can ride the Titanic to the end of the line, but they don't have to take the public with 'em... and if they public turns significantly, that would matter.

We're quickly getting to the point where the military is going to be ordered to do something and their response will dictate the rest of American history.
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Except what makes me worry is if we, not the GOP are on the Titanic. They've been ok with so many unhumane things.. what happens if Trump starts calling anyone not a Trump supporter an infestation that needs eradication?

Is it too much of a stretch to think this would happen? What would the GOP do then? Fall in line as usual?

I'm glad my wife is now a US citizen.. but I don't know what good that will hold in an all out race war that Trump supporters want. It didn't do shit when she and I were assaulted by a Trumper and told to get the fuck out of "his country".
 
Jhhnn said:
When she figures it will induce the GOP Senate to follow through.
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What I don't get is that the impeachment proceedings on their own would publicize a ton of incriminating information and would be the only thing people pay attention to for days and days. How does she figure this wouldn't sway 20 or so reasonable republicans?

Oops, I think I just answered my own question.
 
dainthomas said:
What I don't get is that the impeachment proceedings on their own would publicize a ton of incriminating information and would be the only thing people pay attention to for days and days. How does she figure this wouldn't sway 20 or so reasonable republicans?

Oops, I think I just answered my own question.
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Don't forget that while the Democrat controlled House can initiate impeachment proceedings its in the Republican controlled Senate that the trial would be held. Given what we've seen already who here has any confidence that any trial wouldn't be a sham? People clamor for a trial to bring evidence into the public domain but they rest their hopes on people who have spent two years ensuring that evidence stays hidden.
 
sactoking said:
Don't forget that while the Democrat controlled House can initiate impeachment proceedings its in the Republican controlled Senate that the trial would be held. Given what we've seen already who here has any confidence that any trial wouldn't be a sham? People clamor for a trial to bring evidence into the public domain but they rest their hopes on people who have spent two years ensuring that evidence stays hidden.
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That's what I meant. 20 reasonable republicans could be convinced by the evidence brought out in the House proceedings and the trial. If they existed.
 
jackstar7 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/us/politics/kirstjen-nielsen-dhs-resigns.html

Kirstjen Nielsen Out as Trump’s Homeland Security Secretary

While being a bucket of lies and garbage that would make Beelzebub blush, Kirstjen just couldn't get the number of immigrants down to zero, so out she goes.

Trump is going to continue to push camps and other means that are meant to discourage people fleeing other horrors, and his apologists will continue to talk about how asylum seekers are not humans or whatever else is it that keeps this fascism train running on their racist hate.

Toot toot!
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Have to admit, I misjudged her. Trump told her to break the law, and she told him to pound sand up his ass.

That's akin to Himmler spitting in Hitler's eye.
 
He wants to get rid of the judges. He wants to be above the law.

To quote another pop culture touchstone: "We're in the end game now."
 
Some outlets saying the DHS chief of staff has been fired.

CNN story says this started coming to a head recently when Trump demanded Nielsen close the border at El Paso and start child separations again.

Soon we could see whoever ends up running these agencies acting in defiance of court orders at Trump's direction and viola: constitutional crisis.
 
hmmm.... thread is clear of the "conservative" mouth breathers that you see in the Jussie Smollett one.

Guess all their concern about following and respecting the law wasn't genuine at all.

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UberNeuman said:
hmmm.... thread is clear of the "conservative" mouth breathers that you see in the Jussie Smollett one.

Guess all their concern about following and respecting the law wasn't genuine at all.
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Remember when conservatives were outraged at Obama not following the law with DACA, despite the fact that prioritized enforcement happens all the time?

Odd that they don’t appear to be similarly outraged by Trump just straight out breaking the law.
 
Indus said:
LOL and he had just pulled the ICE nominee to go with someone tougher. Apparently sexually abusing kids and putting them in concentration camp cages isn't hardcore evil enough.
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Didn't taji want to use mines and throw grenades in tunnels? Perhaps he should apply.

The hiring standards in the Trump admin are absurdly low. The real requirements are being a dick, not having any relevant expertise, but very willing to kiss T ass enthusiastically.
 
Assuming that Trump ever nominates a permanent DHS Secretary, I hope that at the confirmation hearings a Senator has the balls to ask: who will set immigration policy — you, or Stephen Miller? While Miller is certainly highly worthy of disgust, and his only qualifications for the job in Trump's mind is his fealty to him and that he hates immigrants. Make no mistake that the policy of deliberate cruelty to families seeking asylum comes straight from the top, and multiple sources indicate that Trump wants a DHS head who will implement that policy, legality be damned. I'd say Miller is Grima Wormtongue to Trump's senile King Theoden, whispering in his ear about the hordes of rapist, criminal brown people trying to invade our country.

There's speculation in this article that Miller may be behind this, too:

Trump is removing US Secret Service director

There is a near-systematic purge happening at the nation's second-largest national security agency," one senior administration official says.

United States Citizenship and Immigration Services director Francis Cissna and Office of the General Counsel's John Mitnick are expected to be gone soon, and the White House is eyeing others to be removed.

The President in recent weeks empowered Stephen Miller to lead the administration's border policies "and he's executing his plan" with what amounts to a wholesale decapitation or the Department of Homeland Security leadership, the official says
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Fuck over the people who protect you. Real genius move. Trump apparently refers to Alles as "Dumbo" because of his large ears. So insult added to injury. But I'm sure that this will in no way affect the morale of the men whose job it is to take a bullet for him.

I would be surprised if he hires a lightning rod like Kobach as DHS head. He was on Fox pontificating on how HE would run things - he was auditioning. It would be easier to just let Stephen Miller make the decisions and leave a bunch of no-name, ladder-climbing, boot-licking yes men to carry the water.

To those of us used to normal governance and expect some level of competent administration based on data and facts, what Trump is doing looks dumb. But someone with autocratic tendencies is far more comfortable doing away with conventional bureaucracy and replacing it with a power structure that appears to be amorphous. Trump is replacing the labyrinth with top-down chain of command of yes men.
 
Some asshat was on NPR this morning calling for building interment camps for asylum seekers who he also repeatedly called illegal immigrants.
 
Viper1j said:
Have to admit, I misjudged her. Trump told her to break the law, and she told him to pound sand up his ass.

That's akin to Himmler spitting in Hitler's eye.
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Nielsen met the same fate as Kelly. Bent over backwards to appease the gruppenfuhrer only to realize that building detention camps just wasn't good enough to save her job. Now watch as she goes on the talk show circuit to try to rehabilitate her image.

And Miller doesn't have to do anything. He's a spiritual advisor, which is easier than being someone who has to make decisions that invite public scrutiny. Trump doesn't like those sorts of headlines when the text of the article amounts to, "Trump is a baby and the adult is controlling things to make things better." In Miller's case, that's not the message. The message is that Trump's personal favorites are finally getting in position to do what they want, free of senate appointees.
 
VRAMdemon said:
Nielsen met the same fate as Kelly. Bent over backwards to appease the gruppenfuhrer only to realize that building detention camps just wasn't good enough to save her job. Now watch as she goes on the talk show circuit to try to rehabilitate her image.

And Miller doesn't have to do anything. He's a spiritual advisor, which is easier than being someone who has to make decisions that invite public scrutiny. Trump doesn't like those sorts of headlines when the text of the article amounts to, "Trump is a baby and the adult is controlling things to make things better." In Miller's case, that's not the message. The message is that Trump's personal favorites are finally getting in position to do what they want, free of senate appointees.
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I generally don's wish harm on anyone but miller is one of the few I won't not miss if he were to keal over.
 
Jhhnn said:
When she figures it will induce the GOP Senate to follow through.
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The Senate is less and less inclined to go through with it as election season gets closer. I HOPE she does go through it because i think it's a mistake not to. Donnie seems to have a low ceiling, so I think at best he can hope for is that ceiling of approval if Senate GOP fails to convict.
 
Quickly stepping in after reading the OP's OP, you could say this just represents the ignorance of Trump's Base who defend their man by saying "Isn't he a bidniss-man? Doesn't he 'know' bidniss?"

Not even in the early days of the microchip, computer and software industry did viable companies play musical chairs with their command-line positions. Profitable business requires stability.

The country is in the hands of a man who never had a chance to "lose" except when he gambled the family fortune decades ago and nearly lost it all. He runs a "family" business, but more succinctly -- a "family" criminal enterprise.

The Trumpies who don't fully realize how their prosperity depends on a Mixed Economy with governments up through the Federal level will also fail to feel lucky in the simply fact that the government is on auto-pilot now, run by an army of career civil-servants who just follow the law, adjust to the regulatory language of the law and come to work every day to do just that.

Time is running out, as the Chuckle-head in Chief keeps trying to break the system by flouting every weak link in the armor of Law that has allowed us to function as a nation -- and under the long-standing imperative of gridlock, which the Founders intended.

Sooner or later, he'll replace all the institutional memory and experience in the cabinet agencies with people who may succeed in throwing Law to the wind.

Then, we will have crossed the Rubicon from the democracy side to the autocratic side.
 
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