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Seatbelt Laws

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I like it, simply cause i don't wanna get in an accident and have to drive around the rest of the week with some dying guy lodged in my windshield
 
If you don't wear your seat buckle then there's a higher chance of you needing expensive medical treatments if you smash your car.

It's a waste of insurance company money to pay huge medical bills for some moron who didn't wear their seat buckle in their car.


Personaly, if you are going to be driving on public roads ... you damn well better wear your seat belt. Otherwise you are a moron.


If you are on private property, then do whatever the hell you want to do.
 
Compare this to cigarettes/alcohol. Do you know how many deaths/diseases/injuries are attributed to these, each year? Hundreds of thousands. They're still legal though?

How pissed would you be if you couldn't drink or smoke? How do you know some people don't feel the same way about wearing a seatbelt?
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
They own it so they make the rules.

"Would they be justified if they passed a law saying you had to wear a pink tutu and bark like a dog when you drive?"

Screwed up laws can, and should, be changed.
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There is a Logical reason to wear a seat belt.
There is no logical reason to wear a pink tatu or bark like a dog while driving.

It is obviously common sense to wear a seat belt.
There are quite a few people who lack common sense.
Thus common sense becomes law......


If it was up to me punishments for NOT wearing a seat belt would be MUCH stricter then speeding, but not as strict as the punishment for murder.
 
Originally posted by: CFster
There Ornery goes again, posting links to questionable web pages.

Hmm, do you think the reason there were less traffic injuries in 1997 vs. 1995 wasn't due to the INCREASED speed limit, but instead maybe it had something to do with the fact that airbags became required equipment that year???
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The point is, traffic laws CAN be changed. Nothing more. Seatbelt laws could be repealed as well.


BS or not, what's the reason for helmet laws?

I DO want to hear the answer to that!
 
Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
If you don't wear your seatbelt and get in an accident and have tons of injuries.. that makes everyone's Healthcare and insurance costs go up. So yes, wear your seatbelt and quit whining like a little b!tch.
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How much does our Healthcare costs go up due to drinking & smoking? I take it you favor laws similar to prohibition, eh?
 
Hell no it shouldn't be a law. I can't believe so many people just bend over and let the government run their lives.....sad.

 
Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

If you don't wear your seat buckle then there's a higher chance of you needing expensive medical treatments if you smash your car.

It's a waste of insurance company money to pay huge medical bills for some moron who didn't wear their seat buckle in their car.

They can charge different premiums for people who don't wear belts, same with smokers.



Personaly, if you are going to be driving on public roads ... you damn well better wear your seat belt. Otherwise you are a moron.


If you are on private property, then do whatever the hell you want to do.

What happened to your higher medical bills blather? Why wouldn't that apply to private property?
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Here is what I think about seatbelt law. Since driving is a privilege and not a right, governement has the right (maybe even obligation) to enact seatbelt laws. Don't like it? Don't drive.
 
Originally posted by: BurnItDwn

There is a Logical reason to wear a seat belt.
There is no logical reason to wear a pink tatu or bark like a dog while driving.

Logical or not, neither is any of their business, but because they built the roads, they can strap us with whatever laws strike their fancy. I take it yould buck the tutu law, eh? Hey, the government knows best for us, so don't question them!


It is obviously common sense to wear a seat belt.
There are quite a few people who lack common sense.
Thus common sense becomes law......

When do we get a law forbidding smoking? What does "common sense" tell you about smoking? Does that sound like a winner to you?


If it was up to me punishments for NOT wearing a seat belt would be MUCH stricter then speeding, but not as strict as the punishment for murder.

That's retarded. Only way I'd agree with that is for kids with stupid parents who don't buckle them in. The parents are adults who can make their own decision about wearing one or not.
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Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: CFster
There Ornery goes again, posting links to questionable web pages.

Hmm, do you think the reason there were less traffic injuries in 1997 vs. 1995 wasn't due to the INCREASED speed limit, but instead maybe it had something to do with the fact that airbags became required equipment that year???
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The point is, traffic laws CAN be changed. Nothing more. Seatbelt laws could be repealed as well.


BS or not, what's the reason for helmet laws?

I DO want to hear the answer to that!
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Originally posted by: Ornery
Q]How much does our Healthcare costs go up due to drinking & smoking? I take it you favor laws similar to prohibition, eh?
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When do we get a law forbidding smoking? What does "common sense" tell you about smoking? Does that sound like a winner to you?
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Actually there is a trend of prohibiting smoking within a good deal of public areas. Which I frankly don't like to breath in second hand smoke while I'm eating.
 
Well TGS, you just made CFster's point, about the government making this seatbelt law for protecting you, NOT other motorists. Same as the helmet law.

So, yes or no, you want prohibition type laws for "our protection" from ourselves?
 
Why would you be against another method of making the driving/riding process safer? Traffic lights, Crash Test Ratings, Car Turn/Brake signals, Drivers training, Speed Limits, paved roads, street markings, traffic signs, head lights, car horns, etc. All make the driving/riding process safer and more efficient. Some exist to protect all the parties involved with the process. Not following one or more can lead to unnecessary accidents or injury.

I do believe seatbelt laws should be enforced. The occupants of a vehicle not wearing seatbelts at the time of an accident most certainly have a higher risk of serious injury or death. Just as if you drove off to the side of a paved road, you expose yourself to a greater degree of danger. In addition to the possibility of swerving into traffic from an obstruction on the unpaved portion of road.

The road system is a voluntary system, therefore if you plan to use it you should abide by it's rules. Using them is a privilege, not a right. Ask anyone who's had their license suspended for not following traffic laws. The laws exist to make all parties safer when they engage in road related activities. You keep bringing up prohibition type laws, though you forget to mention we clearly *prohibit* those without licenses from even driving(legally) on our road systems to begin with.
 
Why would you be against another method of making the driving/riding process safer?

I'm not, I'm against the law. If it wasn't mandatory for manufcturers to put seatbelts in cars (I'm against that, too.) I'd have them installed. I don't need the government making more laws to protect me from myself.

If they (and YOU) are so fvcking concerned about protecting me from myself, why don't they pas laws against drinking and smoking? You for or against that (for the third time!)?
 
Originally posted by: CFster
Originally posted by: bigredguy
Originally posted by: CFster
Originally posted by: bigredguy
Protecting you is secondary to a seat belts purpose, primary being to keep you in your seat. A 150 lbs. body flying at 60 mph can do some major damage to other people in the accident, including your own passengers.
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That is utter and complete BS.

What's your justification for helmet laws. That your head might come off and go through somebody's windshield?
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did i say helmet? Umm no. And i think helmet laws are bs.
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I was making an analogy smartass.

And, what's the reason for them? BS or not, what's the reason for helmet laws?
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To me, helmet laws fall into the same category as drug laws. They are made to protect people from themselves. I don't think there should be helmet laws, if you want to ride recklessly, then maybe you're a darwin award candidate. I hold the same views on drugs, for the most part.

My point about the seatbelts is that if you are T-boned and have a 6 year old kid in the seat next to you. Your decision to not wear a seatbelt now no longer impacts you alone. Or a head on collision and you fly through the windshiled and hit the person who you just hit or just hit you.

I don't care whether or not you choose to follow certain safety practices, as long as you maintain the safety of others around you.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Why would you be against another method of making the driving/riding process safer?

I'm not, I'm against the law. If it wasn't mandatory for manufcturers to put seatbelts in cars (I'm against that, too.) I'd have them installed. I don't need the government making more laws to protect me from myself.

If they (and YOU) are so fvcking concerned about protecting me from myself, why don't they pas laws against drinking and smoking? You for or against that (for the third time!)?
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Considering I'm not foaming at the mouth, and merely said I think they should be enforced makes me concerned about you now? It's a safety feature that I use. As far as adults if the laws exist for safety sake, they should follow them. Why are vehicles put through structural testing? For the drivers protect. A seatbelt is a safety device that will help those involved in accidents save their lives. It's just another step of safety in the driving process. Personally with the exception of kids, if a person doesn't value their life honestly I'm not going to lobby for seatbelt laws. The reason I support seatbelt laws, is that I see *far* too many children unrestrained in vehicles. The only way to get those parents/guardians to seatbelt their children is to make laws to protect them. What is your take on child proof caps on medicine?

Drinking and smoking excessively may shorten your life span, and cause long term health issues. As long as they (mostly smokers) are not making me smoke with them via second hand smoke, I could care less what they do to themselves. Hence I could care less if people do drugs, as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. Provided they are off sound mind during and after the usage.

 
Personally with the exception of kids, if a person doesn't value their life honestly I'm not going to lobby for seatbelt laws. The reason I support seatbelt laws, is that I see *far* too many children unrestrained in vehicles.

In Ohio, we had child restraint laws WITHOUT the current seatbelt law, and I totally agree with that. Same with helmets. They were only required for people under a certain age, and learners, which I also agreed with. The government has overstepped its bounds at this point. Exactly the same as if they tried prohibition again. I'll take care of my own health, thank you!
 
Ok I didn't read all the post bright now because I don't have the time but I like my home state.

"Unlike my naeighboring state that says "CLICK IT OR TICKET ($101 fine)" and annoys the hell outta me. My state has a much nicer and more endearing slogan "Click it don't risk it (No mention of a fine, although I believe you could get given a $10 citation)" For the record. I'm a 17 year-old driver (been driving with a license for almost two years now and I had a permit 6 months before that. So lets say I've been driving for 2 1/4 years now. I've had no accidents, no speeding tickets, and I always wear my seatbelt. Its a habit for me and feels bizzar not to wear one.

Now as to whether or not I think other people should wear one? I would say yes.
Do I like that "Click it or ticket " campaign? Hell no!
Do I like the "Click it, don't risk it" campaign? Yes.
 
When the failure of a competent adult to protect himself becomes the same as harming others in the public mind, then you know that you are dealing with a confused, paranoid, and fear-filled people.
 
For all of you b!tching about The Man keeping you down. Seatbelts protect other people than yourself. If we designed cars that sectioned off individuals and prevented people from forcibly ejecting their vehicle or slamming into other passengers, then i would agree with you. This is not the same as a helmet law, of which you only harm yourself.
 
Here in Oregon we have had the seat belt law for along time. It used to be the fall back ticket for speeding etc. If the cop had you for a driving infraction, but wanted to give you a break so your rates would not go up he, would just write up a no seatbelt ticked instead. A cheaper fine and no moving infraction. Now the fines are over $100 per person so yikes!

Insurance companies must care. For example, back in 1997 someone backed into my company's car while I was at a job site. I was not in the car nor was it running. The accident papers I had to fill out for the insurance company asked three times if I was wearing my seatbelt. Each time I crossed out the yes/no boxes and wrote "I was not in the car". Three times wtf!

Here in Oregon we also tax the hell out of tobacco and give the money to the state public health fund.
 
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