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Commodus

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Sometimes I just don't know how our conservative brethen can be so blind. It really bothers me a Helluva lot more than Trump himself.

It's like some form of mass hypnosis or something, a state of mind that is, uhh, deplorable.

It's a reflexive defense by people who really can think better than that. I mean, how can a regular person say something isn't illegal when our best federal prosecutors say it is?

I seriously doubt they'd have made this public if they didn't think they have an airtight case. It wouldn't make any sense at all.

It's not so much blindness as not wanting to deal with what reality entails. If they accept the truth that Trump is a criminal, they have to accept that they've supported a criminal, and that the Republican party continues to defend a criminal. Suddenly, their bubble bursts: they have to question their party support, and possibly their whole ideology.

It's easier to cling to the lie than to admit a serious mistake and make fundamental changes to your beliefs, and it's increasingly clear that Trump is one of the largest mistakes in American history.
 

Jhhnn

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Then let the charges proceed

Nothing will happen until the new HOR is sworn in on Jan 3, 2019. Trump has plenty of time to formulate a plan, one way or the other.

The people who really need to reconsider are his voters. They made a huge mistake.
 

Meghan54

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Nothing will happen until the new HOR is sworn in on Jan 3, 2019. Trump has plenty of time to formulate a plan, one way or the other.

The people who really need to reconsider are his voters. They made a huge mistake.

He resigns Jan. 1, a la Nixon, citing bone spur problems.
 

fskimospy

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Cute comic but its still not illegal to pay someone to keep silent in this context.

That is 100% false. It is very, very illegal. That’s one of the reasons Cohen is going to prison.

If the intent of paying off Daniels was to influence the election it is a felony. Full stop.
 

blackangst1

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Nothing will happen until the new HOR is sworn in on Jan 3, 2019. Trump has plenty of time to formulate a plan, one way or the other.

The people who really need to reconsider are his voters. They made a huge mistake.
Voters can't proceed legally. All they can do is complain
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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That is 100% false. It is very, very illegal. That’s one of the reasons Cohen is going to prison.

If the intent of paying off Daniels was to influence the election it is a felony. Full stop.
Nope And you're right IF.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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If anyone is interested Trump announced that Kelly is leaving by the end of the year which probably means this week. Talking with Mueller would make Kelly an enemy. Now the House can subpoena him come January.
 

fskimospy

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Nope And you're right IF.

The if seems pretty clear. Trump has engaged in numerous extramarital affairs throughout his life and previously didn’t just not conceal them, he actively bragged about it.

He did it because of the election and we both know it. He committed a felony. He should be prosecuted.
 

K1052

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If anyone is interested Trump announced that Kelly is leaving by the end of the year which probably means this week. Talking with Mueller would make Kelly an enemy. Now the House can subpoena him come January.

Kelly was supposed to announce it next week but numb nuts blurted it out on the WH lawn like a child. LOL.

I mean it couldn't have ended any other way.
 

fskimospy

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Ok what? That's literally the only reason he hasn't been charged.

Yeah it’s hard to argue anything other than this. If Trump were not president he would be facing prison.

What is enraging is that conservatives are willing to protect a criminal because he’s on the team.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Yeah it’s hard to argue anything other than this. If Trump were not president he would be facing prison.

What is enraging is that conservatives are willing to protect a criminal because he’s on the team.

We really need to indict this guy and let the SCOTUS make a judgement call on what's allowed.
 
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zinfamous

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Wheres the evidence campaign money was used?

edit: lets wait and see what the FBI says shall we? https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...-stormy-daniels-payoff-was-it-campaign-expen/

we know and you know that you don't give a dick about what the FBI says.

You're already all-in for President Criminal Orange Bone Spurs, and nothing will ever change that in your fucked-up mushbrain.

We get it. You get it.

So, why do you keep projecting as if the rest of us are as gaslighted and useless as you are?
 

KMFJD

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...1m-of-campaign-donor-money-into-his-business/

On the day Donald Trump became president of the United States, while inauguration festivities were still in full swing, he officially launched his 2020 reelection campaign. Donations poured in from more than 50,000 people across the country. But according to the latest federal filings, Trump still has not donated a penny of his own, while his businesses continued to charge the campaign for hotels, food, rent and legal consulting. That means the richest president in American history has turned $1.1 million from donors across the country into revenue for himself.

grifters gonna grift apparently
 
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Bitek

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If campaign money was used, its a crime. If not, its not. Again. Theres no evidence campaign money was used despite your word salad saying it is.

Michael Cohen is pleading guilty and going to prison for 4-5yrs for what now?

Tax evasion and business fraud charges apply here too the way they concealed and reimbursed the payments.
 
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trenchfoot

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...1m-of-campaign-donor-money-into-his-business/

On the day Donald Trump became president of the United States, while inauguration festivities were still in full swing, he officially launched his 2020 reelection campaign. Donations poured in from more than 50,000 people across the country. But according to the latest federal filings, Trump still has not donated a penny of his own, while his businesses continued to charge the campaign for hotels, food, rent and legal consulting. That means the richest president in American history has turned $1.1 million from donors across the country into revenue for himself.

grifters gonna grift apparently

At this point in time, Trump, the GOP leadership in gov't service and especially so the GOP leadership that is on the outside of gov't yet very much so in control of it (thus untouchable by the people) and their royally played constituency have arrived at the moment where there is no other choice than to mindlessly rally around Trump in a grand gesture of political mass suicide.

For sure, the party will survive in some form or another. And yes, what's left of it will conveniently forget how they were all willingly fooled and wooed into supporting the Trump Clan after they had just miraculously washed and rinsed themselves clean of the horrors and humiliation that Bush and Cheney brought to them and their party. This in a supreme effort to throw off the excruciatingly painful yoke of living under the rule of a black Muslim no birth cert commie president illegally voted into office by gays, illegal immigrants and baby murderers (or so they were told to believe). This after most of them were benefiting from the very successful recovery efforts that the despised Obama cabal put into effect and ramrodded for eight years. But it was the Democrats that did it after all was said and done and that was just completely unacceptable in their thoroughly propagandized eyes.

This after the hated Obama admin. and the Democrats gave millions of them affordable health care that their Repub leadership convinced them to outright reject based on the lies they had already been conditioned to believe without an ounce of fact or proof to back it all up.

Time to stop this stupid merry-go-round the wealthy keeps profiting from and the working class keeps falling behind from.

Vote Democrat.
 

blackangst1

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Michael Cohen is pleading guilty and going to prison for 4-5yrs for what now?

Tax evasion and business fraud charges apply here too the way they concealed and reimbursed the payments.
Yeah I guess that's right