SDNY fingers Trump and his campaign.

[zinfamous]

Except banging a porn star and paying for her silence isnt illegal.

It isn't.

....But then you forgot the using campaign finances to do it part.

whoops! I mean like...3x whoops! (lol, just $1 is a felony to do what Trump did, and is now federally tagged for, without doubt....but $130k? to get some strange? The money that you actually paid to his campaign? are you actually OK with that?)

care to reexamine your post, or are you good?

don't care that you don't care about laws?

yeah?

no?

yes?

we'll wait.

 

[zinfamous]

Indeed.

see above.

lulz.

none of you actually care about laws.

democracy my ass. It's just a textbook term for most of you: gets your red pen when the teacher is mad you didn't read for the week, yes?

 

[blackangst1]

It isn't.

....But then you forgot the using campaign finances to do it part.

whoops! I mean like...3x whoops! (lol, just $1 is a felony to do what Trump did, and is now federally tagged for, without doubt....but $130k? to get some strange? The money that you actually paid to his campaign? are you actually OK with that?)

care to reexamine your post, or are you good?

don't care that you don't care about laws?

yeah?

no?

yes?

we'll wait.

Except there isnt evidence campaign money was used,

Oops

 

[zinfamous]

Except there isnt evidence campaign money was used,

Oops

lol at you.

I guess federal witness testimony is suddenly not evidence for you. because that's how your species works?

whoops.
Suddenly, the fact that SDNY and the Feds have now officially cast the president as a felon, isn't a thing for you.

You get that, right? Do you understand that this is actually what has happened?

Do you understand that? Yes or no?

 

[dawp]

Except there isnt evidence campaign money was used,

Oops

except you can't know what evidence they have because very little has been released and what is being kept close to the chest is unknown.

 

[WelshBloke]

Ha! I have no idea how to embed a tweet but this is gold!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Trump certainly doesn't have an issue with funneling money from the campaign into his businesses that's for sure.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...n-donor-money-into-his-business/#5056acdc4d34

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Ha! I have no idea how to embed a tweet but this is gold!

View attachment 1378

Just go to ... select media and paste the twitter link.

 

[fskimospy]

Except there isnt evidence campaign money was used,

Oops

This is 100% irrelevant. Trump used his own money but because the purpose of the payment was to influence the election he made a secret, undeclared, illegal contribution to it. This is a felony. Oops indeed, haha. The evidence he committed at least one felony is overwhelming and there’s no escaping it.

At this point the only question about this is how we move forward with the prosecution. It’s already in writing that federal prosecutors have concluded he committed a felony.

 

[K1052]

The. President. Is. A. Criminal.

This is a national emergency. Why the everloving fuck is everyone not working to oust him.

Forget party, forget tribe, he’s a felon.

He's drawn a not unsubstantial portion of the GOP into his cult of bullshit and effectively captured the party. For many of those people there isn't anything he could do or did that would be beyond the pale. Our system as it has developed has no plausable mechanism to deal with this except waiting for the next election. The Senate GOP would not convict him in an impeachment trial if they caught him giving Putin a handy in the Oval while reading off our nuclear launch codes to him.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump certainly doesn't have an issue with funneling money from the campaign into his businesses that's for sure.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danale...n-donor-money-into-his-business/#5056acdc4d34

I've spent some time this morning reviewing yesterdays events and oh man there's a hell of a lot of things Trump can go down for and it may come from the SDNY, not Mueller so much. A key difference between them and Mueller is what "cooperating witness" means. In the SDNY it requires an admission of every criminal wrongdoing whether related to the issue at hand AND the revelation of any crime the witness has knowledge of. If the SDNY determines that it is proper to follow up on anything related to Trump not covered by Mueller, then oh my. Naturally communications between the SDNY and Mueller is a given and only a memo keeps Trump from being indicted.

There are practical considerations in locking up a President but no explicit prohibition. Perhaps we've reached the point where we have no option and indict and then put Congress on the hook to remove Trump before he leads from prison. We're now at the point where Trump is an unindicted criminal. At this point I think justice needs to be done.

 

[feralkid]

Except banging a porn star and paying for her silence isnt illegal.

Paying her with campaign funds is.

So is trying to hide that fact.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

At this point the only question about this is how we move forward with the prosecution. It’s already in writing that federal prosecutors have concluded he committed a felony.

How about a two pronged approach, continued investigation by the DOJ and criminal prosecution upon the conclusion. Yes people say "you can't do that" but that isn't really true. Only a memo of policy prevents action, the test would be with the SCOTUS. Let's settle this. While that's going on the House conducts its own investigations and goes for impeachment. When faced with criminal charges as a basis combined with an effort try Trump on criminal charges the Republicans will fold and impeach before Trump can be tried, solving their having a criminal in office problem.

 

[K1052]

Except banging a porn star and paying for her silence isnt illegal.

 

[VRAMdemon]

This whole clusterfuck is an example of Trump thinking he can do anything he wants. I'm sure he said to his kids - " Okay daddy's running for president, lets make it happen, we will deal with the consequences of what we do after the fact". With him thinking he can skirt any wrong doings like he always has.

If Trump had a dog, he'd lawyer up..

 

[ch33zw1z]

Paying her with campaign funds is.

So is trying to hide that fact.

Not for conservatives. Do as I say, not as I do.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Except there isnt evidence campaign money was used,

Oops

It's time to throw in the towel. "There isn't evidence"- yes there is evidence that a felony was committed and Cohen is going to prison for this crime. "Trump's money, campaign money"- we are way past that old debate. This isn't me or you or anyone else saying there's a crime. There's a crime full stop.

The SDNY has come out and said that Trump directed this criminal act which is a criminal act itself. The only possible defense I suggest you don't bet the farm on is ignorance of wrongdoing. That's going to be a virtually impossible defense to maintain because of Trump's actions and statements. "No I didn't know" casts doubt on that immediately and if that isn't enough remember this is a DOJ district office coming out and implicating Trump. Yes they did because if they wished they could have omitted the mentioning anyone but Cohen.

There is a crime and no two ways about that and Trump was implicated.

No matter what your politics you have to consider the facts of the matter as they exist, not as one might like and make a stand for or against a criminal in office, who would be charged exactly as Cohen if he weren't President. Pick any President in history- any- and they ought to face the consequences of confirmed criminal conduct. Why should we make an exemption for Trump?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

It's time to throw in the towel. "There isn't evidence"- yes there is evidence that a felony was committed and Cohen is going to prison for this crime. "Trump's money, campaign money"- we are way past that old debate. This isn't me or you or anyone else saying there's a crime. There's a crime full stop.

The SDNY has come out and said that Trump directed this criminal act which is a criminal act itself. The only possible defense I suggest you don't bet the farm on is ignorance of wrongdoing. That's going to be a virtually impossible defense to maintain because of Trump's actions and statements. "No I didn't know" casts doubt on that immediately and if that isn't enough remember this is a DOJ district office coming out and implicating Trump. Yes they did because if they wished they could have omitted the mentioning anyone but Cohen.

There is a crime and no two ways about that and Trump was implicated.

No matter what your politics you have to consider the facts of the matter as they exist, not as one might like and make a stand for or against a criminal in office, who would be charged exactly as Cohen if he weren't President. Pick any President in history- any- and they ought to face the consequences of confirmed criminal conduct. Why should we make an exemption for Trump?

And this right here will be the struggle. The faithful will never accept reality. They've shown for the last 3 years that they will not accept anything negative to do with Trump. He never lies, he never does anything wrong, he makes no bad decisions.

You now have his personal lawyer pleading guilty to a felony and saying, with supporting evidence, that Trump directed him to commit that felony with knowledge to the nature of the felony (that's the key to this in the wording. Trump can't say this was for any other reason than to benefit his campaign if that's the evidence they have).

And yet you have having to make the statement you just made because the faithful have dismissed all reality at this point.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This is 100% irrelevant. Trump used his own money but because the purpose of the payment was to influence the election he made a secret, undeclared, illegal contribution to it. This is a felony. Oops indeed, haha. The evidence he committed at least one felony is overwhelming and there’s no escaping it.

At this point the only question about this is how we move forward with the prosecution. It’s already in writing that federal prosecutors have concluded he committed a felony.

The next problem is how will voters react to it. Will it end up like Clinton lying about a BJ, I think most would agree a lie like that is to be expected.
Will people say the same thing about paying off a pornstar. I think so, I’m far from a Trump guy but there needs to be something more than paying off a pornstar to me.

*This is today so let’s avoid Gary Hart comparisons

**I know it’s the law to disclose that payment the question is how do voters look at it

 

[ch33zw1z]

The next problem is how will voters react to it. Will it end up like Clinton lying about a BJ, I think most would agree a lie like that is to be expected.
Will people say the same thing about paying off a pornstar. I think so, I’m far from a Trump guy but there needs to be something more than paying off a pornstar to me.

*This is today so let’s avoid Gary Hart comparisons

**I know it’s the law to disclose that payment the question is how do voters look at it

There's plenty of trump-foolery to go around. This is the criminal part that may finally catch up with him. Not the money laundering through casinos, or using his position to benefit his businesses, or the thousands of outright lies, the list goes on.

I hope Americans learn from this that believing with your feels while projecting at others is a poor way to run a country.

 

[fskimospy]

The next problem is how will voters react to it. Will it end up like Clinton lying about a BJ, I think most would agree a lie like that is to be expected.
Will people say the same thing about paying off a pornstar. I think so, I’m far from a Trump guy but there needs to be something more than paying off a pornstar to me.

*This is today so let’s avoid Gary Hart comparisons

**I know it’s the law to disclose that payment the question is how do voters look at it

I guess we will see, but the idea that it’s okay to cheat to win an election is okay so long as you win is baffling to me.

That’s what we should focus on: he very likely would have lost if he didn’t commit those felonies. That matters.

 

[dank69]

The next problem is how will voters react to it. Will it end up like Clinton lying about a BJ, I think most would agree a lie like that is to be expected.
Will people say the same thing about paying off a pornstar. I think so, I’m far from a Trump guy but there needs to be something more than paying off a pornstar to me.

*This is today so let’s avoid Gary Hart comparisons

**I know it’s the law to disclose that payment the question is how do voters look at it

Voters will look at it through the modern American lens:

If a liberal did it, then he is a terrorist and should get life in prison.
If a conservative did it well he was doing what is best for the country.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And this right here will be the struggle. The faithful will never accept reality.

As tempting as it may be to categorize people as monolithic, I think the poster I was addressing isn't in the same league as some others. Ideologic and political tendencies make it difficult to accept some things they would rather not, so it's a matter of inertia vs intractability and in conversations I've had with the poster we've never gone for each other throat so hopefully the points I tried to make will be considered. I don't like Trump but not to the point I would convict him on preference, but on the facts as we can know them. Personally I see an ability to accept what is unwanted, at least eventually. Some others would stab God in the heart first and call themselves Christians after.

 

[skull]

This is 100% irrelevant. Trump used his own money but because the purpose of the payment was to influence the election he made a secret, undeclared, illegal contribution to it. This is a felony. Oops indeed, haha. The evidence he committed at least one felony is overwhelming and there’s no escaping it.

At this point the only question about this is how we move forward with the prosecution. It’s already in writing that federal prosecutors have concluded he committed a felony.

Check out the Cohen memo.

After the election, Cohen sought reimbursement for election - related expenses, including the $130,000 payment he had made to Woman
2. Cohen presented an executive of the Company with a copy of a bank statement reflecting the $130,000 wire transfer. Cohen also requested reimbursement of an additional $50,000, which represented a claimed payment for campaign - related “tech services. ” Executives of the Company agreed to reimburse Cohen by adding $130,000 and $50,000, “grossing up” that amount to $360,000 for tax purposes, and adding a $60,000 bonus, such that Cohen would be paid $420,000 in total. Executives of the Company decided to pay the $420,000 in monthly installments of $35,000 over the course of a year. (PSR¶¶ 52-53).

It just keeps saying the company which is odd when everything is company-1 company-2, makes me wonder what the company refers to. If you read the rest of that part of the memo page 13 and 14 they definitely were trying to cover up what they were doing.

 

[fskimospy]

It's time to throw in the towel. "There isn't evidence"- yes there is evidence that a felony was committed and Cohen is going to prison for this crime. "Trump's money, campaign money"- we are way past that old debate. This isn't me or you or anyone else saying there's a crime. There's a crime full stop.

The SDNY has come out and said that Trump directed this criminal act which is a criminal act itself. The only possible defense I suggest you don't bet the farm on is ignorance of wrongdoing. That's going to be a virtually impossible defense to maintain because of Trump's actions and statements. "No I didn't know" casts doubt on that immediately and if that isn't enough remember this is a DOJ district office coming out and implicating Trump. Yes they did because if they wished they could have omitted the mentioning anyone but Cohen.

There is a crime and no two ways about that and Trump was implicated.

No matter what your politics you have to consider the facts of the matter as they exist, not as one might like and make a stand for or against a criminal in office, who would be charged exactly as Cohen if he weren't President. Pick any President in history- any- and they ought to face the consequences of confirmed criminal conduct. Why should we make an exemption for Trump?

Yes we are now at a point where it can no longer be argued that there’s no evidence of the president committing felonies. The only question now is how many.