SCOTUS to review affirmative action

[PokerGuy]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin...1/supreme-court-affirmative-action/53189086/1

Looks like the court (apparently minus Kagan) is set to review affirmative action admission policies at schools. This will be another interesting case to watch. Hopefully they'll do away with the abhorrent practice of racism disguised as a means toward a laudable end.

 

[blankslate]

Just remember when the court agrees with your viewpoint it's them doing their job...

When they hand down a ruling you don't agree with... it's "judicial activism"

this applies to everyone no matter what their viewpoint is.

no one is excepted.

 

[Texashiker]

Its about time the court addressed this racially motivated issue.

 

[zsdersw]

Just remember when the court agrees with your viewpoint it's them doing their job...

When they hand down a ruling you don't agree with... it's "judicial activism"

this applies to everyone no matter what their viewpoint is.

100% correct.

 

[Throckmorton]

I think affirmative action is harmful to blacks and Hispanics at this point, because it raises the question of whether you got to where you are through merit or preferential treatment. And what about the disadvantaged Asians, Arabs, Persians, South Asians, Gypsies, and whites? The rich black kid in the suburbs benefits from AA, to the detriment of the poor Vietnamese kid in the projects and the poor white kid in the trailer park

 

[HomerJS]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin...1/supreme-court-affirmative-action/53189086/1

Looks like the court (apparently minus Kagan) is set to review affirmative action admission policies at schools. This will be another interesting case to watch. Hopefully they'll do away with the abhorrent practice of racism disguised as a means toward a laudable end.

Meanwhile the practice of bonus points for students when daddy donates a wing will continue.

 

[Throckmorton]

Meanwhile the practice of bonus points for students when daddy donates a wing will continue.

At public universities?

 

[chowderhead]

Substitute O'Connor with Alito and basically it could be a 5-4 or 6-3 decision to scrap AA.

 

[HomerJS]

At public universities?

There are lots of factors for admission to college. Example if a parent is an alumus that's usually a factor.

If done correctly I have no problem with admitting Raheem with a 1400 over Biff with a 1420. Done incorrectly would be admitting Raheem with a 1000.

 

[Screech]

Substitute O'Connor with Alito and basically it could be a 5-4 or 6-3 decision to scrap AA.

According to CNN, Kagan will not be on this case so 4-4 is possible.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/21/justice/scotus-race-policy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Side note: CNN needs to do a better job editing their articles. "Abigail Noel Fisher individually sued the flagship state university after her college application was rejected in 2008 when she a high senior in Sugar Land, Texas." Don't get me wrong, maybe she was high all the time, but I don't think that is what they were trying to say....

 

[PokerGuy]

If done correctly I have no problem with admitting Raheem with a 1400 over Biff with a 1420. Done incorrectly would be admitting Raheem with a 1000.

What if Raheem is the kid of wealthy parents in the burbs that themselves went to Princeton, who had just about every advantage in the world? ... and that Biff is raised by a single mother scraping by with 3 jobs? You're making assumptions based on race now, and that's OK? Stereotyping and racism are fine as long as you agree with the goal?

A test score isn't the end-all-be-all of admissions criteria, but whatever those criteria are for each school, they should not include race.

 

[HomerJS]

What if Raheem is the kid of wealthy parents in the burbs that themselves went to Princeton, who had just about every advantage in the world? ... and that Biff is raised by a single mother scraping by with 3 jobs? You're making assumptions based on race now, and that's OK? Stereotyping and racism are fine as long as you agree with the goal?

A test score isn't the end-all-be-all of admissions criteria, but whatever those criteria are for each school, they should not include race.

The goals are diversity and giving people a change who have been historically shut out of the system.

If you change the criteria to social-economic background the underlying results would be similar. I just picked those names as an example. If done correctly it works. Back when affirmative action was developed conservatives had no interest in participating in a solution.

BTW - I'm sure Jaden Smith will have no trouble getting any school he wants.

 

[zinfamous]

Just remember when the court agrees with your viewpoint it's them doing their job...

When they hand down a ruling you don't agree with... it's "judicial activism"

this applies to everyone no matter what their viewpoint is.

no one is excepted.

yeppers.

 

[Anarchist420]

Can't we just give States' rights a chance?

 

[Jaskalas]

Can't we just give States' rights a chance?

What rights would those be in this case, the right to racially discriminate?

 

[peonyu]

It needs to be done away with, AA's Golden Age where it made a little bit of sense is long gone now. Im talking about the 70's and the early 1980's. That is 30 years ago folks, and the 70's were a mere 10 years after the Civil Rights movement..It had its place then [sort of, in a white guilt type of way]. Nowadays if someone wants to be a racist its ok ONLY if you are that way towards White people, of course that doesn't make it right.

If White Girl Susy has the same score as Black Girl Shanaynay both of them should have a equal shot of getting into a College - Except we have AA which will give bonus points to Shanaynay for being born with dark skin and she gets to go in. Of course the EXCUSE is that she gets bonus points for somehow making the campus "diverse", and that statement is in itself racist since black people and any color of people are not all alike...I know a ton of black people who if you heard them on the phone you would think they were white. And I also know quite a few White people who wear dreads and sounds as "black" as Lil Wayne..

Also lets not forget Demographics...The US is becoming majority brown and black quickly. The majority of children in the US today under the age of 5 are not white, and in 15 years they will be applying for College...If AA sticks around then the new minority [white people] will be discriminated against in two ways in the very near future - lack of numbers, and the Government catering to anyone who is not White.

AA needs to be done away with.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I say leave AA alone until after my step-daughter gets her degree. We've already noticed she's going some breaks due to being a legal alien from Asian.

 

[Anarchist420]

What rights would those be in this case, the right to racially discriminate?

Yes. Suppose Texas refuses and the Federal government sends in tanks?

 

[chowderhead]

According to CNN, Kagan will not be on this case so 4-4 is possible.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/21/justice/scotus-race-policy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Side note: CNN needs to do a better job editing their articles. "Abigail Noel Fisher individually sued the flagship state university after her college application was rejected in 2008 when she a high senior in Sugar Land, Texas." Don't get me wrong, maybe she was high all the time, but I don't think that is what they were trying to say....

Kennedy would have to reverse himself as he dissented in the Michigan case or Roberts has to vote for a tie. Apparently, the Texas case goes even further than the Michigan case in which O'Connor was the swing vote. O'Connor is replaced by Alito so I guess a 4-4 vote is possible but I think 5-3 is more likely.

 

[HomerJS]

It needs to be done away with, AA's Golden Age where it made a little bit of sense is long gone now. Im talking about the 70's and the early 1980's. That is 30 years ago folks, and the 70's were a mere 10 years after the Civil Rights movement..It had its place then [sort of, in a white guilt type of way]. Nowadays if someone wants to be a racist its ok ONLY if you are that way towards White people, of course that doesn't make it right.

If White Girl Susy has the same score as Black Girl Shanaynay both of them should have a equal shot of getting into a College - Except we have AA which will give bonus points to Shanaynay for being born with dark skin and she gets to go in. Of course the EXCUSE is that she gets bonus points for somehow making the campus "diverse", and that statement is in itself racist since black people and any color of people are not all alike...I know a ton of black people who if you heard them on the phone you would think they were white. And I also know quite a few White people who wear dreads and sounds as "black" as Lil Wayne..

Also lets not forget Demographics...The US is becoming majority brown and black quickly. The majority of children in the US today under the age of 5 are not white, and in 15 years they will be applying for College...If AA sticks around then the new minority [white people] will be discriminated against in two ways in the very near future - lack of numbers, and the Government catering to anyone who is not White.

AA needs to be done away with.

Education is one of the great equalizers we have. Again if loudmouth conservatives had brought ideas to the table back during the formation of AA maybe they would have more grounds to bitch.

The fact that white boyz who make up 30% of the population but control over 95% of the wealth probably have little cause for concern.

 

[Double Trouble]

Education is one of the great equalizers we have. Again if loudmouth conservatives had brought ideas to the table back during the formation of AA maybe they would have more grounds to bitch.

The fact that white boyz who make up 30% of the population but control over 95% of the wealth probably have little cause for concern.

I don't use the term lightly, but you are a flat out racist. Sorry, but it's true. Condoning racism as a way to fight prior racism is dumb. I hope the court strikes down not only the Texas policy of using race as a factor in admissions, but all use of race as a factor. We're never going to get past racism if we continue to view everything through the lens of one racial perspective or another.

 

[Rainsford]

I'm a bit torn on affirmative action. For the individual case, it seems a bit morally and legally questionable. Why should someone have less of a chance of getting into school/getting a job/whatever have less of a chance just because they are a white dude?

On the other hand, there is still enormous inequity in terms of racial prosperity in our country, and any suggestion otherwise will surely be moronic. While I'm fine with arguments against affirmative action in the general sense, what I don't like is the people who say that we should move past it because the problem is solved. It's clearly not. And while I'm not sure affirmative action is the solution, and I suspect it may not be, I'd feel a bit better if SOME sort of alternative was moving forward.

 

[DCal430]

The goals are diversity and giving people a change who have been historically shut out of the system.

If you change the criteria to social-economic background the underlying results would be similar. I just picked those names as an example. If done correctly it works. Back when affirmative action was developed conservatives had no interest in participating in a solution.

BTW - I'm sure Jaden Smith will have no trouble getting any school he wants.

There is nothing wrong with looking at social-economoc factors, just not race. There is no reason well off African American should get bonus points over a poor Asian, but AA does just that.

 

[DCal430]

The goals are diversity and giving people a change who have been historically shut out of the system.

If you change the criteria to social-economic background the underlying results would be similar. I just picked those names as an example. If done correctly it works. Back when affirmative action was developed conservatives had no interest in participating in a solution.

BTW - I'm sure Jaden Smith will have no trouble getting any school he wants.

Those who support AA are against using social-economic fators since they claim it helps too many Asians.

 

[Wreckem]

So the plaintiffs are basing the top 10% rule as their theory why AA should be done away with. The Same top 10% rule that narrowly escaped being done away with. The rule that will LIKELY be done away with during Texas next legislative session.

Its also what likely kept her out of UT, not AA. UT is forced to take in so many students automatically, some years around 75%. The odds of a high school senior not in the top 10% of their class getting into UT is slim to none. The remaining seats they have are more or less limited to out of staters and people who have done amazing things. Plaintiff is a moron blaming AA, when its the top 10% rule that kept her out.